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Henning: Dolphins lack speed, changes haven't worked

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ATVZ400, Dec 23, 2010.

  1. Stringer Bell

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    No need to defend the entire field, just look at the QBs eyes to see where the ball will go.
     
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  2. GMJohnson

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    Bess is a good slot WR. Hartline is one of the worst #2 WRs in the league. Haven't seen him hurdle too many people either.
     
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  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    definitely would help.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Check out what Brandon Marshall had to say:

    That goes on Henne AND Henning, one is not throwing him the ball covered or not, the other is not scheming to create mismatches though BM on Bart Scott was brilliant, but did we see that happen anymore since then?

    Not as far as I can recall.
     
  5. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    lol something Ginn could have solved. Perfect decoy for us.
     
  6. Jaj

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    The hurdles part got me laughing.

    I don't think he's that bad a #2, the Texans have a guy slower and similar to him in Kevin Walter and he does just fine. He's just in a poor role for him. He needs to be an intermediate guy. I think part of the reason he looked really capable his rookie year was that he wasn't the deep guy, that's not him.
     
  7. GMJohnson

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    Gotta credit the defenses we're facing, they have NFL players too. Marshall is doubled on just about every snap. Our running game isn't opening up anything in the pass/play action game, which IMO we were relying on coming into the season. Add in our lack of speed and inability to create space or turn short gains into big plays, and you have what we have. Teams playing zone, draping coverage on our targets, and forcing our gunslinger QB to be hyper accurate underneath Pennington clone type passer, that isnt his game. Henne doesnt have the experience, accuracy, pocket presence of vision of Penne, but the offense is dictates that he have those things in order for us to be effective.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is easy for Hartline to look like one of the worst #2's in the league with a quarterback like Henne "trying" to get him the ball.
     
  9. adamprez2003

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    well too each his own. many would agree there is nothing on this offense currently. tell you what. break down the following by units and tell me which teams have less or worse players. do it by

    QB
    RB
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  10. GMJohnson

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    I agree we don't use Marshall as much as we should. But Marshall vs Scott was not brilliant offense, it was bad defense. We put him in the slot and Jets failed to adjust, you can't count on defenses to make that kind of mistake consistently.
     
  11. GMJohnson

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    Brandon Marshall draws double teams on just about every play. Bess draws his fair share of coverage as well. Hartline is the guy who gets single coverage consitently b/c of Bess and Marshall, but he doesn't beat the single coverage consistently. You might want to play closer attention.
     
  12. Jaj

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    Anybody know Bess has graded out as a run blocker these past few years? I remember him being decent from what I've seen.
     
  13. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    Tell you what. I'm not accepting a homework assignment to prove that you are exaggerating, greatly. I'll stand by what I have said and trust that a majority of people reading this thread agree that to say Dan Henning has "nothing" on offense is downright silly.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Where is the proof?

    I have seen plays, one shown by Stingerbell, that is not so much the case.
     
  15. padre31

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    Good coordinators can manipulate the defense to create mismatches, that was one of the few times Henning did what I'd call a "good job" of doing so, in that Marshall interview he mentioned "it seems like I catch the ball and..:

    Which is exactly what I have been saying about him for quite some time, but as was pointed out, he is not drawing as many double teams as one would think..so what would draw 2 or 3 defenders to Brandon Marshall when he catches the ball?

    Hmm...hwat possibly be cluing the defense into knowing Marshall will be targeted..wonder wonder...
     
  16. Frayser

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    Everyone knows how I lean, but at this point I honestly couldn't care less who is more right. I thought Henne would take a big step this year while simultaneously accepting the possibility that you often have to take your lumps with young quarterbacks. He's still completing over 60% of his passes, something that a lot of established QBs in this league didn't do in their first two years. And a majority of the issues he seems to have our still issues that I feel are coachable. I don't see anyone else coming in here, from free agency, trade, or the draft, and taking the starting job from him next season. Sometimes I feel like we are generally too hard on quarterbacks around here. I've also seen enough circumstantial evidence to think that play-calling is at least, in part, an issue. Dan Henning is 68 years old. I'd be shocked if he were back next year.

    To me, that is the reality of the situation. The rest is just pointless bantering and silly straw-manning. So I'm going to take a break and enjoy the rest of my holiday vacation (and continue to recover from this knee surgery). Happy holidays to you all!
     
  17. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    Marshall has said he has seen more double and triple coverage this year than at any other time in his career.

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2010/11/miami-dolphins-brandon-marshall-does-his-tim-tebow-imitation.html
     
  18. padre31

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  19. Frayser

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    When I read his comments in that blog I linked to, I'm lead to believe that much of this is pre-snap coverage. I just think it's a complete stretch to suggest that Marshall's complaints are due to the fact that Chad Henne stares him down on every single play. I'm not seeing it when I watch games, and it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense given what he's saying, particularly about needing to get "creative" in how they use him.
     
  20. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Bess attended Skyline High School in Oakland, California and was a student and a letter-man in football, basketball, and baseball. In football, he was a first team All-City wide receiver as a junior. As a senior, he led his team to the League Championship and was a second team All-City quarterback. Davone Bess graduated from Skyline High School in 2003.

    Bess grew up five minutes away from the Oakland Coliseum as an avid Oakland Raiders fan and even played a high school playoff game for Skyline High during his senior year at the Coliseum. His favorite player was Tim Brown.[1]

    Bess has stated that "sports pretty much kept me busy, kept me out of trouble, kept me off the streets." Largely raised by a single mom, Bess was the first person in his family to attend college and the first on his father's side to attend high school. Bess said of his father:

    "My dad pretty much wasn't there. If anyone was there it was my brother's dad, but not really because he was a big time drug dealer. He was in and out of jail himself and going back and forth so he wasn't a reliable source." At the age of 10, Bess witnessed the murder of his uncle at a birthday party.

    And thank God he turned out a good person and
    a member on this team regardless if he didn't win
    a state hurdling title
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    thank you for that information. I have no idea what that has to do with what I have said. Bess is still a slow wide receiver. A great player, just not fast.
     
  22. Killerphins

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    Totally fuggin' ridiculous that Henning continues to put the blame on someone else for the lack of offensive creativity.
    This time that old son of a ***** blames Jeff Ireland.
    It is about time he mans up and admits that his vanilla over predictable garbage play calling is the reason this offense stinks so bad. I had to get out my secret decoder ring and fight through graham crackers and other nonsensical speak but I was able decode the point he was getting at with the offensive speed. Another scapegoat for the egotistical senile old bastard.
     
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  23. padre31

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    Spot on.

    Now to me, Henne's upside, the type of Qb he could eventually turnout being is Jim Kelly, but Kelly needed a no huddle offense with 2 hall of fame skill position players in Reed and Thomas to make it work..
     
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  24. Jaj

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    That's it right there. You hit it on the nail Padre.
     
  25. padre31

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    Sparano going 3 wides No Huddle with Henne running the show?

    I need to cut back on the nutmeg...:lol:

    Not sure if he process information fast enough, not sure if Henne has the mental acumen to really pull that off, but I could see him doing it if he got himself squared away..which he has shown no signs of doing.
     
  26. Jaj

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    I don't know about that, he's looked pretty good out of a 3 WR set. If he had perhaps a 4 WR set with a little more speed or a 3 WR set with a TE that was more of a threat (not to mention a RB who can actually do something with the ball), he might look even better. Take the play action nonsense out and he's a much improved QB.

    Sparano is going to have to take some risks. I'm not saying become a true passing offense but the Bills of all teams under Chan Gailey do real well running the ball with Fred Jackson. There's no reason to think that all because you want to run the ball you have to go into a pro-set or an I-Form, Double TE etc etc...
     
  27. padre31

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    Well let me just say, "if" Sparano is on the hot seat that is potentially the best thing that could have happened to him and his time in Miami, because you are fundamentally correct, Sparano does not condone risk taking unless it involves running the ball in short yardage situations, that clearly has to change or he will be changed out and I'm afraid I'd have to agree with such a move.

    Sorry Tone, this is the N-F-L....it is not a try hard work hard league, it is a results league those other things are only means to ends not ends in and of themselves.
     
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  29. Nappy Roots

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    This is really ridiculous quote from Henning. I really cant fathom an OC saying this. my god can this ******* tonight!
     
  30. jw3102

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    I think what Henning is basically stating without placing blame directly is. If the individuals responsible for bringing in the talent were doing their job. I wouldn't be the one getting all the blame for how badly the offense is playing. Henning is correct. The Dolphins have not gone after playmakers on offense since Parcells came here. Other than Marshall, who certainly is not a speed burner. As Ronnie and Ricky have suffered injuries and grown older in the last three years. They certainly do not have the speed or explosion to scare opposing defenses. There is no real deep threat at wide receiver. Last but far from least. The offensive line is a joke. Other than Jake Long who has been playing injured for much of the season. I don't think there is another offensive lineman on the Dolphins who would be starting for any other team in the AFC East. That includes the Bills. I didn't even bring up Henne because he obviously has been unproductive most of this year. So what it all comes down to is. Henning gets the blame for the sorry play of the offense. Yet, Parcells and Ireland selected the players the OC is forced to play with. Parcells saw the handwriting on the wall and took his four plus million dollars salary and said, adios. Ireland says nothing while his OC takes the heat. Henning will be gone after this season. That is quite obvious. While like many on here. I have questioned some of his play calling this year. The one thing I am sure of is that there is no OC alive who could have done anything with this Dolphins offense this season. It is ranked right where it should be based on the players on the offensive side of the ball. As one of the worst offenses in the NFL this year and one of the worst scoring offenses of all time. Henning will lose his job. I just hope that the majority of the players on the offense are sent packing with him.
     
  31. FanMarino

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    If Henning had any burners he'd have them running 5yd out patterns and using them to block in the Wildcat. Hes proved he cant utilize what talent hes got. Im done with Henning.
     
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  32. AdamC13

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    I see. You are under the impression that yds wins games. Last I checked it is the team that scores the most points.

    Any way you look at it Henning sucks...Miami scoring (31), yds (22), rush yds (21), pass yds (17). Believe it or not our passing has been how we move the ball, not our rush.

    Time of Possession - Miami (17th)

    And if Henning runs a ball control offense then what does it matter if he had speed?
     
  33. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    And I felt the same way (confused)when 2 people were discussing that Hartline had won a state hurdle contest in high school and Bess had not won anything...Bess won something in the game of life...respect
    l
     
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  34. GMJohnson

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    You forgot James Lofton, that's 3.
     
  35. Killerphins

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    After listening to the Henning presser a little more closely it is no wonder our young QB is a mess.
    Anyone else think Dan Henning is the one who isn't dynamic. :wink2:
    He blames the personnel. Wants to see 50-60 yard plays from Bess :lol:
    Then he rants on the ST's play.
    Never actually answers the question about the offenses inefficiencies.
    We aren't changing things and not getting it done although they are trying.
    I'll agree with him on the '09 defense but I shouldn't be hearing it from him.
    Why address the whole team Dan....... insanity.
    All that and he loves his supervisor.
    And his wife's green carpet :wink2:

    Wow! :pity:
     
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  36. Shamboubou

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    Sorry but nobody can really show speed on a 7 yard out route. For as often as we have Polite coming out of the backfield as a reciever what kind of speed has he really shown?? This guy is a screwball. What did he do with the speed that Ginn had?? Oh yeah...NOTHING. Maybe if we didn't run the most simplistic offense in the NFL (or so it feels like) we might confuse a defense from time to time and use a scheme to get people open instead of having to rely on a reciever outrunning the coverage and the QB making the perfect pass.

    If we didn't run a playaction pass on 3rd and 15, maybe our QB would be able to avoid a pass rush instead of having a take his eyes off downfield.

    Throwing your players and personel under the bus for your shortcomings is not what a coach is supposed to do. Even during our 1-15 season did the coach stand up and say, well we can't win because our players suck. What a freaking tool.
     
  37. KB21

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    Then use the Bronco to its strength and quit trying to make it into a race car. It's that simple.

    I look at what Bill Belichick has done this year without that much talent on offense. You know what? He does things his players are capable of doing, and it works. The guy has made Danny Freaking Woodhead a weapon. We have Ronnie Brown and do absolutely nothing to get him matched up with a linebacker in the slot in the passing game.

    Precisely.
     
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    most of the deep passes i've seen thrown this year our reciever has had atleast 2 steps on their man and usually one of the following happens..henne underthrows resulting in a interception or pass defended,henne takes too long to get the ball out and makes our guy have to wait allowing the defender to make up room and makethe play or henne overthrows(that one is rare)the guy.oh and lets not forget all the batted down passes at the line.

    i agree we do need speed in the backfield and a burner that can catch would be nice but would it really matter if henne cannot connect?this same oc called plays that took us to the playoffs his first year here and the only real difference in the make up is qb and o-line and i don't think improving the o-line is going to change hennes issues much.
     
  39. Killerphins

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    Polian grabbed a USFL guy... Drafted Thurman Thomas...that is where he cut his teeth in Buffalo anyway.
    Oilers couldn't stop those guys... Frank Reich and Kenneth Davis.

    Otherwise we may have sniffed the SB in '92.
     
  40. Ozzy

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    The Dolphins lack speed for sure but they also lack a quality Offensive Coordinator.
     

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