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Could Henne excel in a better offensive system?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SCall13, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    This is going to be a very unpopular post for sure, BUT: How do we know Henne wouldn't improve dramatically with a more creative, less vanilla and predictable offense? One that doesn't hand cuff him and make him feel as if he is constantly under the thumb of the coaches? Henne's accuracy is very good. His season completion is at, or around the middle 60s. That an automatic plus especially given that several opposing players have proclaimed they knew what the plays were going to be. If Henne is in an offense that is more balanced, more creative, and less predictable, the pressure will be more on the defense and less on Henne to deliver when the defense knows what's coming. I do think we should bring in a QB to compete and push Henne. But I don't think we should throw him to the scrap heap just yet. In fairness, how many QBs would have succeeded in an offensive system like this? Answer: very few, and even the greatest of QBs numbers would take a hit in the current system - nevermind a young QB who is still feeling his way in the NFL.

    Henne stumbles his way through press conferences and sounds a little foolish sometimes. We could chalk that up to him wanting to tell the truth, but tip toeing around what he WANTS to say and, instead, saying what he feels he has to say. You can read between the lines and see he is frustrated at the play calling as much as we are.

    Also, after further review of the videos of yesterday's INTs, it's easy to see that neither was Henne's fault. YES, he threw the ball. But an inexperienced receiver pulled up and stopped his route on the first INT, and on the second, Bess fell down. Just another run of bad luck there. Henne completed 66 percent of his passes yesterday and played a very solid, if unspectacular game. You can see the potential he has in just about every game. That's the frustrating part. Because, he then does something that makes you scrath your head and say, WTF was that? But some of this can be due to him being handcuffed to an extent, vanilla and predictable play calling, lack offensive team speed, and running game that went south so fast my head is still spinning, and an offensive line that is down right offensive. Last year's line was solid. But for whatever reason, the coaches and FO decided to try to fix something that wasn't really broken.

    Many factors can effect a QBs play. Not least of all predictability. An innovative offense with speed (play makers) can make a big difference for this team and for Henne. I would like to see him stay and compete with someone and see what happens. He has the tools. We just have to give him more to work with. Not just players, but an offensive system that will give him a better chance to succeed.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not know if Henne could ever "excel."

    A "better" offensive system would improve his play as it will do a better job of masking his shortcommings. However I do not know if he will ever be the type of qb that excels.
     
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  3. mroz

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    I actually don't know what to think of Henne. he shows signs of being a good QB from time to time then poof... it is all gone like a fart in the wind. I really don't get the guy at all. Having said that, I can't help but think that the offense we run is not going to be very productive no matter who is running it.
     
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  4. MarinePhinFan

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    Great post and I agree with you 100%!
     
  5. NJFINSFAN1

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    Well, one of the things Sparano said when he benched Henne was the system was geared more towards Pennington.

    Which tells Me a few things

    A: We don't coach to the talent we have, we want the talent to play the way the coach wants.
    B: Henning is set in his ways and does not make changes, therefore also falls on Sparano.
    C: Henne should have never started than if your staff is not willing to make changes to fit his style.

    Has Henne played bad in spurts? yes, has the staff helped him much? No

    So my answer would be yes, but it also maybe to late to find out with the Dolphins.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

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    What system do you believe Henne could excel in?

    I think the only kind would be one that forces 8 into the box regularly, because that is the only way to get the defense in to man coverage regularly. The problem is there aren't many teams in the league that force 8 into the box anymore.

    Its also hard not to be predictable when the QB stares exactly where he's going to throw the ball.
     
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  7. schmolioot

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    Please tell me what system this guy can play in.

    Name me any offensive coordinator currently in the league and explain to me what that guy will do differently that will make Henne a better player.

    I'm serious. I'm willing to listen. There are 31 other offensive coordinators in the league. Which one will make Henne a franchise QB?
     
  8. MarinePhinFan

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    Ever? lol

    In college Henne completed 60% of his passes, for 9715 yards, 87TD's and 37 INT's for a 133QBR. That's "excelling".

    However, no one knows if he'll ever "excel" in the NFL unless he's given the chance. You don't give a sniper a knife and ask him to kill a guy from 500 yards away. And you don't take a QB like Henne and ask him to be Chad Pennington.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    that is college dude, plenty of players excel in college and do crap in the pros. I do not count college when talking about the pros when a player has experience in the pros.

    All I have seen is Henne pretty much fail in this system. A system where Delhomme played well, who is not a Pennington and is a crappy quarterback. He has stretches of playing pretty decent, however I haven't seen a quarterback handcuffed by a system. I am seeing more of a quarterback who is handcuffed by his lack of pocket awareness, touch passes and long throws.
     
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  10. Buckeyetroop

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    1) No mobility
    2) No pocket presence
    3) Can't read defenses
    4) Locks on to receivers
    5) Panics under pressure
    6) Looks completely lost
    7) Indecisive to say the least
    8) Doesn't know which throws require zip and which require air
     
  11. Buckeyetroop

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    How'd he do against the Buckeyes? 0-4 But look at those stats. Wow
     
  12. MarinePhinFan

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    A system that plays to his strenghts. You know, like every other QB in NFL history has done if they were to succeed.

    That last sentence is just parroting and wrong and I, for one, get really sick of hearing that crap. Besides Favre in a few of his "gunslinger" type modes, name me one QB that doesn't look to where they are throwing the ball? Henne goes through his progressions very well.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

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    What system? What strengths? You'll have to be a little more specific.


    Yes, I get sick of seeing Henne stare down receivers. Every week.
     
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  14. schmolioot

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    You'll never get an answer. Maybe his "big arm" that is incapable of completing a pass more than 20 yards downfield.
     
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  15. MarinePhinFan

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    LMAO! Again with that? You're point? Where the Buckeyes the better team? Yep. Is that your point. Congrats, you made it. If there is something else, please fill us in. lol...

    Here...I want to play this game.

    Tom Brady is 1-6 against the Broncos in his career! He SUCKS!! HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
     
  16. Buckeyetroop

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    Amazing!
     
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  17. Tepop84

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    The offense is vanilla because Chad henne is too stupid to understand anything else. Chad henne is the one throttling the offense, not the other way around.
     
  18. Buckeyetroop

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    I was posting insignificant stats..................SOUND FAMILIAR.
     
  19. MarinePhinFan

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    NFL Scout: Strengths: Experienced starter…played excellent competition in the Big Ten…possesses a strong arm and seems to be adapt at throwing all the routes necessary to be an NFL QB…mentally tough QB…strong upper body, so he should be able to shrug off some oncoming pass rushers…was in a moderately complex offense at Michigan, so reading defenses and adapting to the NFL should be a more smooth transition for Chad Henne than many other 2008 QB prospects…


    So, you're 100% wrong. ;)
     
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  20. NJFINSFAN1

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    Off the top of my head I would say the OC from the team that just beat us Linehan would be one.

    Henning is just to stale and predictable, and you heard it from players we played against over and over this year. They know the plays.

    Again, I'm not saying Henne is an all-pro, but he does not get any help from Henning either.

    I also think it maybe too late to find out if Henne can make it here, he will be run out of town like Ginn was (And yes, I wanted Ginn gone)
     
  21. schmolioot

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    Yet that scouting report was completely off, so what's the difference?

    Henne might not be stupid, but he isn't a great QB.
     
  22. Buckeyetroop

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    Actually you just proved how inexact scouting can be. I can't believe you just quoted something from a scout 4 yrs ago, who might be unemployed by now for good reason.
     
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  23. schmolioot

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    What routes or play calls did Scott Linehan run eysterday that we haven't run at some point in the last two years?

    I would venture a guess that there aren't any.

    Perhaps Linehan is more agressive in his play calls, but that wouldn't necessarily make Henne a better QB. In fact, being more agressive might simply lead to more errors and interceptions, which is probably a big reason why we aren't more agressive in the first place.

    And Linehan didn't appear to be such a genius when a broken down culpepper was running his system last year.
     
  24. MarinePhinFan

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    It is amazing that people who watch the game still believe this crap.

    I mean, even the Head Coach of the Miami Dolphins says Henne doesn't "stare down" his receiver.

    I think when he first started he would, however, he goes through his progressions now. I think a lot of fans don't understand what they are looking at and instead will just parrot someone who they think does.
     
  25. MarinePhinFan

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    Of course. But YOU know...don't ya'? HHAHAAHAHAHAHAHH!!
     
  26. MarinePhinFan

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    Nice backtrack.

    If I were you I'd probably do the same. However, I would never post such a thing in the first place.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    Yes, the same coach that benched Henne for a QB with a busted shoulder.
     
  28. NJFINSFAN1

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    Yesterday was why I like Linehan, it wasn't his offense, he changed it up because he had a QB with a bum finger.

    And you answered your second question, a broken down Culpepper whom hasn't been good in years.

    Look at the offense he runs with healthy QB's, takes his chances long, mixes up routes, moves Calvin Johnson around to get him open.

    Look what he did here in 2005 with Gus Frerotte whom many compare with Henne.

    We don't do any of that.

    Again, I'm not saying Henne is an all-pro, but he gets no help from Henning either.
     
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  29. Buckeyetroop

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    I KNOW that Henne's in over his head at this level and it sounds like thats the consensus, and not by just fans.
     
  30. Buckeyetroop

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    Wait a minute, your the stat king. The guy who doesn't realize that 10 2-3 yard out patterns a game will have a positive effect on completion %..............Wake up.
     
  31. MarinePhinFan

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    Nope...
     
  32. MarinePhinFan

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    You're not making any sense. And you obviously don't understand any of my posts...so why do you read them?
     
  33. Buckeyetroop

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    [mod] Stay on topic[/mod]
     
  34. MarinePhinFan

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    The same coach that just said Henne played well yesterday. The same coach who chose Henne as the starting QB for the Miami Dolphins this season.

    Again, it's not like a starting QB has never been benched before. You have no idea, and neaither do I, as to why Sparano did what he did.

    Once more... YOU, and those like you, THINK you know things that you couldn't possibly know. I clearly write that I DON'T KNOW what Henne is. Taht's the difference here.
     
  35. MarinePhinFan

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    [mod] Same goes for you [/mod]
     
  36. Stringer Bell

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    I always assumed Henne was benched because of the financial crisis. Never actually had anything to do with his performance.
     
  37. Bpk

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    Agree with these. And it is a huge moronic move on the coaching staff's part to approach things this way. Like trying to fit a guy into another guys uniform even though they are totally different sizes, then blaming everyone else that the uniform doesn;t fit.

    Just stupid.

    Henning said during the year he had no intention of changing a thing whether henne or Pennington was in there.

    Stupid.

    And Sparano lacked the leadership, balls or sense to correct it.

    So I'm fine with firing Sparano too at this point. Sad, as I liked him. Past tense.
     
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  38. Buckeyetroop

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    I'll tell you what, come back opening day 2011 when Henne isn't the starting QB and then you'll have your answer.
     
  39. MarinePhinFan

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    lol...Good one.

    But you're missing the point. Henne may have been playing poorly, however, his benching may have had more to do with getting him to focus than Sparano thinking he didn't have what it took to be a successful NFL QB.
     
  40. MarinePhinFan

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    Sure thing, Nostradamus!
     

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