I understand both sides of the fence here. I've watched Henne this year and last and I will say it seems like he is slightly better. Not enough to win us games on his own and thats where the line is drawn. People defending him like to use the fact that the rest of the team is not good. This year that has been true, yes. But, I would like to point out how Peyton Manning has gotten the job done even though the rest of his team, specifically his offense, has been bad. Yes, he had a rough spot in the middle of the season, but at the end of the day he wins games for his team. That is what I feel Henne lacks the most. The rest of the offense does need to play their part and help him out more, but the Miami Dolphins need a qb who can win games. Someone that has the mojo going into the final minutes of a tie game. If you look at all the great teams in the league there are two constants, one is solid qb play. The other is a quarterback that leads his team. Henne to me is not enough of a leader. You don't see him on tv all the time talking about how important the game is for that week(Tom Brady for example). All I can say about that is it seems to me he is not the leader that this team needs. To reinforce this I look back at Chad Pennington's success. That whole year everyone talked about how he was a leader and had great workmanship, he put in the time and effort and other people took notice of that. The talent is there for everyone to succeed its just the quarterback needs to step up and become the leader of this team. Sporano can only do so much. If Henne becomes a leader off the field I think he will take the next step to becoming the leader we need on the field. So, with all things considered I believe the Dolphins should try to acquire a qb this offseason that has leadership qualities. Whether it be the draft, free agency or via a trade. Henne can be successful, but I'm not sure I want to wait around another 2 years to see if he makes that leader transition when we can be acquiring one we know will be.
I agree with a lot of your post, but I specifically take issue with the bolded because that's true with most every QB. You only get like 5-6 QBs who seem to really get TV exposure (IMO): Manning(s), Brady, Sanchez, Favre, Brees. I don't see Matt Cassell on TV "being a leader" but he has his team in the playoffs, and has a better season than most every QB in the league (including some of the people I just named). Hell, I don't recall seeing Pennington on TV talking about how important game X was, yet you claim his leadership was tremendous (which it is/was).
Yes, you make a good point. I apologize with saying that tv exposure was the big factor. I didn't mean it like that, but I think you know what I mean. Clearly the successful quarterbacks are leaders off the field and that is making them a better player on the field, thus making their team better. Chad Pennington did that.
Also, to kind of reinforce my point. With a quarterback that is a leader some of the unnecessary acts go away. Things like Brandon Marshall throwing the ball to the sideline after getting a catch and costing us a penalty never would have happened. As far as I know when Jay Cutler was his quarterback he didn't do those kinds of things and now Jay Cutlers team is doing quite well. I would also argue that our receivers are better than the bears.
Good post. I just don't understand why we want to compare Chad Henne, 57th overall pick, 3rd year, 2nd as a starter to Peyton #1 overall, 11th year, 11th as a starter, HOF top 10 QB of all time Manning. If Peyton is the bar, then yeah, Henne and 99% of all QBs will look crappy by comparison. Henne was the 57th pick. Common sense suggests he wasn't considered a top flight prospect or a finished product. If he was, there woudln't have been 56 players taken ahead of him. Henne needs time to develop, a running game to protect him, and play makers to support him. It'd be nice if we had one of the greatest QBs ever, but we don't. Doesn't mean we cant win games, lots of mediocre QBs have hoisted the Lombardi, it just means we'll have to do it in a different way.
Lions were in zone, and there was a corner sitting in the flat, so I can see why Shuler would want to sit down there. W/O knowing the play call there's no way to know for sure who's at fault.
It wasn't on Henne, Shuler stopped his route. As anyone can see, Shuler became parallel to Henne and faced him instead of running. Hence, causing the INT. [video=youtube;Gzj3ZqnToSM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzj3ZqnToSM[/video]
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...ned-around-and-defends-chad-henne/#more-12905 If one of the interceptions isn't Hennes fault, and there's two interceptions...
Fair enough. IMO neither INT was on Henne, but there were two passes that should've been INT, I place both of those on Henne. Interestingly, all 4 were going into the wind.
Yes, I understand and agree with what you are saying. I know a mediocre quarterback can win a super bowl with a great supporting cast but it isn't as easy as it once was. It is becoming more and more evident that without that great quarterback or at least a quarterback having one of his best years, you won't win the superbowl. I mean if you just look at the last 5 superbowls the winning team has had a great quarterback or the quarterback had an amazing year. but, thats not to say it isn't possible. The bears did make it in 07(with Grossman who had 23td's and 20ints that year).
Let me get this straight: You just publicly insulted one of my threads for using the same stat a few times this week: but it's ok for you to beat the the same drum for the ENTIRE YEAR? What a hypocrite!!!! If constantly insulting me and talking down to others gives your mundane life joy, then the humanitarian in me is only happy to oblige. I like doing my part to help bring meaning to the lives of others. Your welcome. Actually, it was about 4 different threads.... and 1 of the stats was new. You might want to get your statistics right next time. See what I did there?
What you fail to understand is that your pandering is never the same issue. It is the same PLAYER but the pandering is never the same. From the very outset of the season you have pick a different thing to harp on. Then when the PLAYER totally fails at what YOU wanted to see, you move on to the next issue with someone else causing the PLAYER's failure. The culmination of it all was the previous two weeks when (according to your decree) absolutely no player nor coach (on the Miami Dolphins) was qualified to participate in an offense in the NFL other than Chad Henne. So now you find your latest snafu worth of stats and it read like this: If we give Chad Henne 2 and 6, he's a stud. If we give Chad Henne 3 and short, he's a stud. What's next? If somehow we could manage to fool the other team to play with 10 defensive players, Chad Henne is a stud? I don't find fault with the use of statistics. I don't even find fault with someone debating an issue based upon statistics. But your use of statistics change and are very much manipulated because your latest and greatest debate was proven wrong in the previous game. Heck, I didn't even expect YOU to fall so flat on your face this year. Why? Because I expected Chad Henne to somehow in someway get the fact that he was going to have to throw deep into Cover2. Much to my (and every other Phins fans dismay) he never got it. So when you come up with "your perfect world" it's tainted. It's tainted by the 16 weeks of bad information previously provided by you. You have compared this quarterback in a favorable light for 16 weeks. The man you compare him against will change to fit YOUR need. The man you blame for his faults will change to fit your needs. You have searched for every excuse in the world for this one players faults and even that would be somewhat tolerable if you had not found yourself in the 16th week of a failed campaign for this one player after he statistically performed his historical record......... AND YOU STILL REFUSE TO ADMIT AS MUCH!
I Blame Chad Hennes INTs On the Announcers They Jynx him. They Compliment him like he threw 30 Tds and 5 Ints this season and all i heard in the lions game is "Chad Henne Has played Very Well In the Wind since he played in Michigan" Blah Blah So throwing In the Wind Shouldnt be a Problem Blah blah. then after they are done talking positively about him He throws a Pick. But the Minute They start talking about his INT problems he throws a touchdown or gets into rhythm.
