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Just say no to Fisher

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by daphins, Jan 2, 2011.

  1. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    Twitter's spiraling out of control...I see a lot of people calling for Fisher in Miami..I just want to offer a bit of perspective...


    Jeff Fisher as HC resume

    142-119 .544 percent
    THREE conference wins in 17 years
    6 playoff appearences
    5-6 Post Season record
    8 Seasons at .500 or below


    My brother is a LONG time Titans fan and he can't WAIT to get him out of town. Fisher is OK. He's decent at X's and O's, but he's failed miserably at building a perennial contender. He's been HC for 14 seasons in Tennessee, and he's put out mediocre teams again and again.

    And don't get me started about his in-game coaching. The guy can gameplan but can't adapt. My brother watches the Titans get out to a lead in the first half, and crosses his fingers for the rest of the game hoping that Fisher doesn't blow it...which he often does btw.

    Fisher does not have a killer's mentality. When he gets ahead he pulls a Wanny and plays to not lose. The guy will field a mediocre team most years and give you something to be excited about one season out of four.

    Not where I want to see this franchise go.
     
  2. NFL2102

    NFL2102 New Member

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    Would you rather have Sparano?
     
  3. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    Actually yeah. Sparano is a young HC who up until today had his guys grinding out games for him. I like Sporano and I'd be willing to stick with him for another season given that a solid upgrade is not available.
     
  4. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Newsflash, Fisher isn't the GM. The man has made the most out of minimal talent that he's been given
     
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  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    if we get rid of sparano, fisher is the only coach that i would want to replace him
     
  6. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    If it comes down to Jeff Fisher or Tony Sparano give me Fisher any day. The idea that Tony is a better coach than him is a joke to put it kindly.
     
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  7. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Fisher is a damn good coach.
     
  8. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    Not better. I said I'd rather stick with Tony until a surefire upgrade came along than put my stock in a coach who's been mediocre through a 17 year stint in the NFL.
     
  9. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Jeff Fisher is without a doubt a 'surefire' upgrade. Sparano is worse than mediocre. I don't see Fisher's team giving up today.
     
  10. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fisher's teams are consistently play hard. He is an excellent coach, despite what your brother thinks. My brother hates Led Zeppelin. He's wrong too.
     
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  11. Desides

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    “Minimal talent”? Since when? The Titans are one of the most well-stocked teams in the NFL. Excellent defense year in and year out, the best running back in football, a great offensive line, emerging receivers like Kenny Britt, better tight ends than we have… they just lack consistent quality QB play. Remember, they’re not too far removed from a 12-4 season.
     
  12. daphins

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    Sure looked like they gave up a year ago against New England...59-0 I think it was...

    Or the game this season after VY was put on IR....

    400+ carries for CJ last year, 350 this year...Wad ball?

    Propensity to settle for FG's

    Overly attached to vets

    Stuck with Collins amidst a 5 game skid


    I really don't want this guy. He's not BAD but he's no good either. Subpar boring football.




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  13. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    I lived in Nashville for a long time and know a thing or two about Jeff Fisher and the Titans. It's not Jeff Fisher's job to build "a perennial contender." That's the job of the owner and general manager. And yes, they have failed miserably at it. They got themselves into terrible salary cap shape a while back. That had nothing to do with Fisher's coaching ability. Then, when both he and his offensive coordinator, Norm Chow, wanted Matt Leinart, Bud Adams insisted on drafting Vince Young because he brought excitement to the team. Chow had coached Leinart at USC prior to coming to Tennessee. It seemed a natural match. But the owner got his way. As far as game-planning at the half, that's usually on the coordinators. When the Dolphins make defensive adjustments and shut a team down in the second half, people credit Mike Nolan, not Tony Sparano. When it comes to coaching, Jeff Fisher is a great coach. There's a reason why he would be a top target should he be cut free.

    If you ask me, replacing Tony Sparano with Jeff Fisher and Dan Henning with John Ramsdell is probably the ideal non-player personnel move to make this offseason.
     
  14. daphins

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    ummm.........not sure that's an argument to your point...

    Anyway, apparently it's an unpopular sentiment. I personally hope we stay away from Mr. Fisher. I'm on the record as saying so for the future at any rate. But whomever is coaching the phins next season will have my support.
     
  15. Ohio Fanatic

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    I'll give you the RB and offensive line. overall, their WRs, even with Britt, are nothing worth getting excited about. And I was referring to last several years, not just the last two years. Fisher's teams played were competitive even after they went through cap hell/purging and had minimal talent. Hell, our castoff Vickerson became one of their starters.
     
  16. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Fisher was one yard away from winning a superbowl. How is that not a better result than anything we've seen since I was 1 years old?
    There are worse candidates than Tony, but Fisher is clearly an upgrade
     
  17. Tin Indian

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    I have firmly supported Sparano until today. I haven only seen this team quit like this once before and that was under Cam Camoron.

    If his team has quit on him, then he has lost them. Time to move on. I'll take Jeff Fisher in a heartbeat or Coach Chin or somebody. Just bring me a guy who knows what the hell he's doing.
     
  18. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Personally, I would be very excited to see Jeff Fisher as the next Dolphins HC.
     
  19. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    Right. Because that Vince Young pick has worked out so well for them thus far. Who knows what might have happened had Leinart gone to the Titans and played for his old offensive coordinator? I'm not sure I'd be so quick to claim that it would inevitably have been worse than what the Vince Young era has been thus far.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Two reasons why id rather not have Fisher. One he is a defensive coach. And two he is a 43 coach. We are not stocked to run a 43. U bring in a 43 and we suddenly have holes on defense.

    Give me Gruden and keep Nolan.
     
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  21. mullingan

    mullingan New Grandbaby Pic!!!

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    I have lived in TN since the Titans moved here. I would take Jeff Fisher tomorrow over what we have. He consistently fields hard nosed, some say even borderline dirty, football teams. The Titans have an identity and you know what your going to get. I have seen the talent and lack there of on this team and they find a way to be competitive. He isn't afraid to make hard decisions that are more often correct, even if not popular. This team wins with Kerry Collins at QB. He doesn't have a rocket arm, but man can he throw a football. Yeah, I'd take Fisher in a minute.
     
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  22. azfinfanmang

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    CALL THE PRESSES!!!

    Adam and I actually agree on something.

    Hold that, the ONLY other person I would want besides A: Keep Tony S and B: Jeff Fisher is Mike Nolan...but I am afraid that might distract from his defensive wizardry

    AND, if either of the other 2 besides TS are there, we better retain Jeff Ireland!@!@!@!
     
  23. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    I don't think it is a given that Fisher would insist on changing things on defense.

    My thoughts exactly.
     
  24. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    damn now i have to rethink my position. azfin agrees with me. something is terribly wrong :wink2:
     
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  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I found this post surprising. I would have thought that a head coach with a 17 year tenure, a Super Bowl Appearance, numerous playoff appearances and one of the better overall records in the league would be a candidate we would want to consider as head coach.

    I mean, I understand the points you're making about Tennessee and I'm not trying to compare one to the other, but look at Bill Bellichek in New England versus Bill Bellichek in Cleveland.

    Could Jeff Fischer finally get over that hurdle with a new team? Maybe, maybe not.
     
  26. adamprez2003

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    dont forget he never wanted vince young. that pick was forced on him by the owner
     
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  27. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    That's kind of what I'm getting at. If a coach is not the GM (which btw I think is best, but a coach should have SOME say), sometimes he's forced to play a losing hand and when you're called, if you only have a pair of jacks, you're going to get killed by a full house.

    The ownership and front office forced Vince Young down Fischer's throat and there was nothing he could do but try and bluff his way through the season.
     
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  28. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    That's exactly where I am right now too......Not sure what that says....
     
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  29. GreysonWinfield

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    I'd take John Fox over Fisher.
     
  30. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    it seems we have our choice between Gruden and Cowher IF they really want to come back into the NFL and IF they want to coach our team.
     
  31. Phinperor

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    A big YES to Fisher here in Miami!
     
  32. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I'm convinced Cowher wants to coach next season. I'm not sure if Gruden does or not. I hope he does and I hope Ross hires him.
     
  33. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    ya know man... deep down, my instincts tell me we'll retain Sparano...
     
  34. the 23rd

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    Jeff Fisher would be an excellent choice
     
  35. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I've had that gnawing feeling all week too, bro. I'm hoping it's just gut rot.
     
  36. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Fisher, Gruden, Cowher & more
    would be a major step up @ head coach over Sparano.
    hope make a move immediately
     
  37. Frayser

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    Rumor has it that Gruden may be interested in the now open Cleveland job, where he would get to coach Colt McCoy, his man crush from last year's draft.

    Of course, it's Cleveland. Whereas, we're Miami.
     
  38. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think he also has ties to holmgren
     
  39. Auburn

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    Can he bring Chris Johnson with him?
     
  40. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    Well, the rumor suggests that Gruden talked Holmgren into taking McCoy in the first place.
     

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