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La Canfora: Dolphins exploring Harbaugh, Sparano not assured return [plus updates]

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Muck, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...rbaugh-as-coaching-option?module=HP_headlines

    As of 9:35am this morning, this is the status per JLC's sources.

    FFG's bird had the previous scoop. But hopefully things are now a bit more fluid, with Ross there in person.

    But the big thing is, Sparano has not been assured a return.
     
  2. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    NFL.Com - Dolphins Exploring Jim Harbaugh as Head Coach


    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...rbaugh-as-coaching-option?module=HP_headlines

    Please do not post full articles per copyright rules. Thanks -Staff
     
  3. Rocky Raccoon

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    If we're exploring anyone as head coach, why is bringing Sparano back even an option? Either you believe in him or you don't.
     
  4. Ronnie Bass

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    It's gotten to the point I don't know who to believe or whose word is gold, I just want this to end sooner than later one way or the other. But hopefully the way I want and that is change.
     
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  5. GMJohnson

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    Serious effort to land a coach, or just the old "college try"?
     
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  6. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Because you could end up even worse off if you don't get someone you want, I'd imagine.
     
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  7. brandon27

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    That just brought a smile to my face. If we're going to go after someone, I'm glad it's him.
     
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  8. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Serious effort I believe
     
  9. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I don't know Muck, I understand the logic behind what you are saying, I just think it's not a good message to send to Tony, it's not professional. Meet with him for 3 hours and then say "don't call us, we'll call you." This can't go on much longer passed today. The assistant coaches are generally told by the end of the week if they are staying or going. The longer this goes on, the more we begin to look like the Raiders.
     
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  10. MarinePhinFan

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    I disagree. It's a business. IF Sparano gets another shot I would think it would only make him work smarter and try harder. I doubt these guys take too many things personally. If they did they wouldn't be where they are now.
     
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  11. djphinfan

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    Ireland goes to a stanford's practice with Harbaugh's dad..

    Ross seen on the field before the orange bowl talking with Harbaugh.

    Harbaugh decalres he wont be coaching his almamatter..

    Well, I dont know about you'all but my *** is puckered..lol
     
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  12. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    I agree -- so if the Harbaugh thing doesn't work out (and every indication has been that the Dolphins would need a MIRACLE to entice him to coach in Miami), how is it 'good business' to retain a coach, that publicly you've already demonstrated you don't fully believe in, and pass him off to the team and fan-base in good faith?

    It makes no sense.
     
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  13. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I don't know how Sparano can work any harder than he has the last three years. He's put 110% into everything he's done for this team. Understood it's a business. It's just bad business IMO.
     
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  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    If they do go with Sparano next season, they should just extend him and send the "right" message at the end of this process.
     
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  15. DolfanJake

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    I agree this is strange. Ross has either already canned him, or is acting in a very unprofessional manner.
     
  16. DolfanJake

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    Well I guess Ross must be thinking that this sends the message to Sparano. But I can't imagine he didn't get it already that he was in trouble. If I am Sparano, I am looking over my shoulder at every step, and will coach and make personnel decisions on a selfish level and maybe not what is best for the team. That could lead to a real disaster next year. Do not let this man have any say in trading of future picks other than this years, or he could really screw us for years in the future.
     
  17. FaninPatsyLand

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    Is anyone going to buy it though? I'm a fan living some 2,500+ miles away and there's just no way I'll be able to take this team seriously next season if Sparano isn't gone, if for no other reason than simply how the Dolphins handled this situation. If Sparano was to be retained, it should have been handled like it was in New York with Coughlin -- with an immediate vote of confidence.

    The way they've approached it has been a disaster. Now if Sparano is retained the general consensus will be 'well, they couldn't find a suitable replacement' instead of 'they believe in their guy, with conviction.'

    The fans and more importantly, the players are supposed to sign-off on that? Give me a break.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    What sort of personnel decisions does Sparano make? What kind of coaching decisions could he make that would be selfish?
     
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  19. DolfanJake

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    That's why I am guessing Sparano is gone already, and they are not going to say anything until they break the news of the new hire at the same time.
     
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  20. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    So, if I were Tony, there's only one thing left to do: Resign.

    Don't do it publicly unless you have to, but tell Mr. Ross privately that if his decision is not made within a certain timeframe you will be leaving. It's a business. Tony has to do what's best for his family just as Stephen Ross has to do what's best for his business.
     
  21. CANEPHINS

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    Major Update:

     
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  22. MarinePhinFan

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    I'm guessing you've never had to hire people in your profession? There have been multiple times in my career that I had to "settle". The better candidate gets a better offer, or something similar, that I can't match, well I then need to call up my number 2 or 3 person. They know it, I know. It's business. In fact, I've been pleasently surprised by a lot of my "second" choices.

    Telling Sparano, or the team, that you want to leave things open to see what's the better fit, and then having to go back to Sparano is saying nothing more than, "Hey, I want to win. I want what's best for this team and I don't want to pain myself into a corner with just one guy."

    Sparano isn't some well established, ego maniac coach. If he were things may be different. This is his first HC gig. He just ended his 3rd year. He, and most of the veteran player at least, know what this league is about.
     
  23. MarinePhinFan

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    That's why I wrote "work smarter". Of course he works his *** off. However, there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Always. At the end of a 19-0 Super Bowl winning season there may not be, but anything less than that needs improvement.
     
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  24. DolfanJake

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    Going for the quick fix like Saban did. It gave Saban a winning record the 1st year. I think Sparano might be able to persude Ireland to start parting with future picks of the team, and overpay with those picks because the other teams know Sparano (and Ireland) are desperate. Our next two to three years of picks could be in danger if left to Ireland and Sparano to play with to save their asses for this year. To me this is one of the worst parts of the consequences of keeping them both. They need to save themselves NOW and worry about the future later. And if it doesn't work out for them, well then the Dolphins being screwed on future draft picks is not their problem but someone else's.
     
  25. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Spare me the backhanded comments. You either believe in your guy or you don't, its really that simple.

    Based on the Dolphins' actions, evidently they don't believe in Sparano. As a fan, that's really all you need to know, isn't it?
     
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  26. SICK

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    omg this would be insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  27. Paul 13

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    actually, that's the last thing Tony should do, if I were his financial advisor.... if he resigns, he loses the rest of his contract (what 3 mill?) but if he is fired, he is paid out the remainder and can sit on a beach next season earning .6%... :shifty:
     
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  28. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    really think we should temper our enthusiasm until he's signed on the dotted line. We've been the brides maid before... only to see our prized free agent get more money from the team they wanted to go to originally.
     
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  29. HardKoreXXX

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    Dammit. Good point. I was thinking in terms of what I WOULD do in a job where I get no severance pay regardless. SUCK IT UP AND BE A MAN TONY! :lol:
     
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  30. vt_dolfan

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    Come on Ross you big stud.......get THIS DONE!!!
     
  31. MarinePhinFan

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    What? Backhanded? If I asked you if you had ever built a spaceship would you have taken offense to that also?

    There was nothing meant by my comment other than to point out how BUSINESS works in the real world.

    Based on the Dolphins' actions they want to make sure they don't leave any stones unturned. The Dolphins' want to make money. Do you think they care about "feelings" or "pride"? No. They want to win because they know that will make more money. Telling Sparano that they want to take a look at other options, interview other candidates, is not necessarily saying they don't believe in him.

    At this point we really odn't know much other than the owner is making sure he doesn't have any regrest about any decision. And considering that he is a BILLIONAIRE I'll let him handle his business and not worry about "feelings".
     
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  32. SICK

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    hence me saying it "would" be insane. not this "is" insane.


    i got it homie.
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    Why in the world would Ireland allow that? And if Ireland were on board with mortgaging the future, why would Ross let them do that???
     
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  34. FaninPatsyLand

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    Surely you aren't comparing sports to a typical 9-5 position? The fact that you referenced the business world by utilizing the term 'real world' should tell you all you need to know about the validity of the said comparsion.

    I couldn't disagree more with the highlighted statement. Agree to disagree.
     
  35. MarinePhinFan

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    It seems that you're not picking up what I'm layin down. :) I'm not comparing sports to 9-5. I'm not talking about sports. I'm talking about business in the real world. Which includes Ross and the Dolphins.

    Do you think Ross looks at the Dolphins' any differently than Gates looks at Microsoft?
     
  36. Muck

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    They're not settling at this moment.

    NFLN saying we had multiple conversations with Harbaugh.

    Appears he may well be the #1 target IMO.
     
  37. CANEPHINS

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    I believe that Ross is handling this the right way. You don't fire the guy you have unless you know you have something in place in return.

    I know there is the Rooney Rule to get around, but this allows him to keep Sparano if Harbaugh said he wasn't coming to Miami. No need to throw him out until the replacement is ready to come in, or until you get a commit from him that you will work out a deal. Worst thing would be to fire Sparano now, then not get Harbaugh, and then have to scramble to find a new HC.
     
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  38. vt_dolfan

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    According to Jason Mcintyre....thebiglead.com

    Sorry to tease w/ Harbaugh tweet earlier: Miami Dolphins are current leader after making impact last night/this AM http://bit.ly/e2n6MR
     
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  39. mdscpa

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    Wow. Sounds like this is a real possibility.

    "League sources expect the Miami Dolphins to make a push to hire Stanford University coach and former NFL quarterback Jim Harbaugh as the Dolphins' next head coach."

    "The Dolphins have had multiple conversations with Harbaugh about the position, according to a league source."

    "an NFL source told NFL.com senior writer Steve Wyche that it will be "hard for Sparano to survive" with the Dolphins."

    "Harbaugh spent the past week in South Florida as Stanford prepared for the Orange Bowl and has been approached by the Dolphins, according to the source."
     

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