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Ricky is not retiring | Comments on Team

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CANEPHINS, Jan 3, 2011.

  1. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    This guy wants to be a Jet. Bring him in, Tanny!
     
  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    we're not debating that they're doing it. we're just pointing out that we're doing it also and i would still like to know why kevin o connell and kliff kingsbury and matt gutierrez and rohan davey were all busts when they were coached up by the great belichik who surely could do better with henne then we could
     
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  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think he may be too young for your team. you might want to wait a year or two
     
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  4. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    No. At the time we got him, Cameron Wake was a two time player of the year in the CF, not a training camp castoff. That is a major difference that you are failing to acknowledge. You're taking an apple and saying it beats the **** out of this orange.

    And no. Nolan secretly taught him how to set the edge while Sparano wasn't looking.

    I've been more than clear about why your examples are not good examples. It's not like I am just discounting them for no reason.

    If Stephen Ross decides to keep Tony Sparano, I'm not going to call it the end of the world. I think it will make a lot of our other moves much more crucial, but I don't think Sparano is a terrible coach. But I don't think he's gotten much better in three years. I think he botched the handling of the special teams. I think he still routinely botches late game management. Aside from when Ireland gives him talent with which to work or when Nolan coaches up the defense, I'm not sure I've seen him really make something out of nothing.

    These should all be major red flags, and I feel like some of you are so desperate to defend your coach that you're not willing to even consider it.
     
  5. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Honestly, I wasn't paying too much attention to the debate you were having, all I was saying is that this regime has brought in a lot of talent. That was my point. And I'm well aware we need more playmakers, but I'm also very aware that THIS regime has brought in a lot of young talent. And sure, you can say Mike Nolan helped, we all know he did, but he didn't fall off a palm tree, the regime went out and got him to help our team...and help our team he did.

    Also as a side note, I believe Vontae Davis was ranked the 14th best CB in the league by PFF this season. No sophomore slump there.
     
  6. padre31

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    Now wait a moment here, one cannot pretend those players just parachuted into Davie and were where they are at now, someone had to coach them up otherwise they never would have made an impact.

    Now if one looks at that list, what pops out is how Defense heavy it is, only a few are on offense mainly because Ireland was not looking for Offensive gems...give him this offseason and there is no reason to believe Ireland cannot have similar success with offensive players.
     
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  7. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    I bid you a goodnight (again). I'm not going to continue arguing with you if this is your best line of defense. Congratulations. You've named four guys that Bill Belichick has failed to coach up. In fact, I'll tell you right now that there are more than that. But who the **** cares? What's his success rate? 90%? You're acting as if that doesn't mean anything unless it's 100%. That's silly. As I said in my last post, I think some of you are being almost willfully naive at this point in defense of Sparano.

    Have a great night. I hope by tomorrow we have a little clarity to the situation. Limbo is the anti-Zen.
     
  8. Darrelle Revis

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    What are you doing on Saturday? Around 8:30? Yeah, thought so.
     
  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    he's made more mistakes than that. gutting the offensive line without having adequate replacements, not pulling the trigger on henne earlier (though penny probably still would be injured) not forcing henne to start targeting marshall more. the late game game mgmt is a very valid complaint. but my position on the guy is he realizes his mistakes rather quickly unlike wannstedt or cameron and to me coaches arent about coaching up players, thats for position coaches. i think he's made some mistakes with those but he's corrected them also and i expect alot of position coaches to be let go on offense this year if he is retained so to me a coach that is able to objectively critique himself and correct his errors is well on his way to being a good coach. matter of opinion is all
     
  10. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    I'm not talking about the "regime." I'm talking about Sparano and his staff. They have very little to do with player acquisition. Thus why I am distinguishing between talent brought in by Ireland and talent arguably coached up by Sparano, of which there appears to be very little.
     
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  11. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    dont know yet. whats your girlfriends number again... j/k
     
  12. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    In the same paragraph, you say that he stuck with Henne too long but realizes his mistakes quickly. He stuck with the status quo on special teams for far too long, arguably an entire season. Yet he realizes his mistakes quickly? What does that even mean? I would call our team a lot of things. I would not call it a team that realizes mistakes quickly and changes things. Not at all.
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    well it was fun anyway. have a good one.
     
  14. ToddsPhins

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    Gibril Wilson was 2 votes away from a Pro-Bowl....... ok, maybe 2 million. Outside of Long, Bess, and Hartline, we've done a tremendous job of maximizing production out of all the offensive guys who have played here the past 3 years. :shifty:

    Ronnie: not what we'd expect from a #2 overall pick
    Ginn: game-changing potential that didn't happen
    Carey: should be at the pinnacle of his career; instead he's falling apart
    Marshall: 3 whopping TDs
    P Turner: couldn't do a thing with him
    Nalbone: worthless so far
    Henne: looked promising at first; now looks like a different player
    White: we got him to quit football after 1 year
    Grove: started well, then insignificant
    Smiley: became a nobody
    Murphy: couldn't develop his "raw ability"
    Thomas: was a "supposed" baby Brian Waters..... now where is he?
    Polite: looked like a staple at FB; now we might need a replacement
    Lex: good STer; not much outside of that
    Jerry: doesn't look like the guy I thought we drafted
    Thigpen: looked like an ok starter in KC; now looks like a questionable backup
    Penny: tore it up his 1st year; then 0-3 & injured the year after
    Satele: 2nd round pick that we couldn't maximize
    Cobbs: clearly looks to have regressed

    Fasano: I'll give Dallas credit for developing him behind Witten b/c it's not too late for this regime to ruin him, too.
    Bess: I give them little credit for Bess. all they had to do is leave him alone and he fits perfectly into their conservative philosophy. He came in here as a player and performed from the get-go. Not much coaching up was needed IMO.

    Probably 90% of the guys we've had on offense have underperformed
     
  15. padre31

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    Fellas, at the end of all this, it doesn't matter, RW not liking Sparano, BM not liking Henne, whatever.

    More wins, less talk, less garbage about "working harder than anyone else" win games..nothing else matters.
     
  16. adamprez2003

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    well with henne he had to give him a chance to grow. you cant just yank a developing QB because he loses a couple of games. he was probably two games too late in yanking him. with special teams he was one game too late but we were stuck with rizzi either way for the rest of the season. dont know if you can bring a guy off the streets to coach sp tms. pat white gone. patrick turner gone. they didnt waste time trying to develop them
     
  17. ToddsPhins

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    And they were wasting Wake until Nolan came in here. :tongue2:
    There's still time to ruin Richie.... and Polite has clearly regressed.
     
  18. Clipse

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    That's because aside from very, very few examples, this coaching staff hasn't coached up anybody. Sparano and Henning are completely clueless. Their offensive philosophy is a disaster. David Lee and Karl Dorrell are terrible coaches as well. Of course Nolan has coached guys up, he's the only competent guy in our coaching staff aside from Todd Bowles and Bill Sheridan. Though Kacy Rodgers has done a great job as well.
     
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  19. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you still owe me a cookie
     
  20. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Not sure about Adamprez, but I'll be watching the Jets once again getting blown out by a real team. How bout you?
     
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  21. ToddsPhins

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    :lol:


    :wontplay:
     
  22. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :lol:
     
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  23. brandon27

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    Love Ricky for his honesty here. We heard him hinting at this exact same stuff part way through the season, now here he is again, this time in full force.

    If reading this article, and his comments doesn't make you think we need a head coach that isn't Tony Sparano, than I don't know what to tell you. To me, it says a thousand different things about why this team failed, especially offensively. My best guess, Sparano left Nolan and the D alone, but was all over the offense with Henning, because Sparano was so sold on Henning as his guy, his best friend. If the offense isn't working, he probably as Ricky said stepped in too much, and cracked down on these guys, and made them all play tight. Playing in fear, in fear of the allmighty turnover. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, yes, you want to teach your team to protect the ball, but when all you do is protect the ball, and take no chances, you're never going to be successful. At least not as successful as you should be. When you play like that, guys aren't having fun. Lets face it, as brutal as football can be, if you aren't having fun doing it, I'm sure you begin to question why you're doing it, as Ricky is. Sparano lost this team, not just at the end of the year, but pretty much halfway through when Ricky first made comments similar to these.

    Ricky has played his last game as a phin, which is unfortunate, but Sparano better damn well have coached his last game as a phin as well.
     
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    One can only hope the latter is true...Have said it all along, Sparano lacks the fortitude necessary to take chances and his handling of the Henning situation was awful...Easy to fire Bonamego, but Henning?
     
  25. MarinePhinFan

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    Here's the thing, Todd. This team is young. This TEAM, maybe not every player, needs to be micromanaged. I don't really understand how some here got what they did out of this interview. I don't really think he was bashing Sparano as much as he was just disagreeing with him on a few things. Remember when the "vets" on the Giants were criticizing Coughlin? They won the Super Bowl that year with his "micromanaging".

    BB preaches execution. He micromanages. It's just that the vets on his team deal with it because they win. The Pats have perfect execution on nearly every stinkin' play. They don't have any playmakers since Moss left/quit. However, they beat people because of their execution. Think about their offense. Law firm isn't special, he just executes the run because the O-Line executes the blocks and opens holes. Same with the midget Woodhead. Welker isn't fast, quick yes, but he somehow gets open 99% of the time by executing. Bess is just as good a WR as Welker and yet he can't get 2 yards of seperation. Why? Execution. Branch isn't speedy, or huge or "great". He's 5' 9", 190 lbs and RAN (he's 31 years old now) a 4.5 40. Yet he is ALWAYS wide open. Why? Execution. I'm not even really going to talk about their young defense, except to say that they execute.
     
  26. schmolioot

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    I think ricky's point is that everyone knows you can't turn the ball over, have to be good in the red zone, etc.

    What he wants, and what he claims Saban did, was simply give them a gameplan that they believed in and then when you execute it, you win. when you believe in what you're doing, you will win and you won't be turning the ball over, you'll be good in the red area and so on.

    When you're so focused on avoiding what can go wrong rather than simply executing a plan you are confident will succeed things are more likely to go wrong.
     
  27. NJFINSFAN1

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    Saban had a losing record as our coach, those game plans didn't work so well.

    Ricky had some huge fumbles this year, maybe he should take some of the blame and not point fingers.
     
  28. schmolioot

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    That's fair, but it doesn;t mean he is a worse coach than Sparano. They simply have different styles. ricky responded better to a different style.

    And I hate the guy, but Nick Saban is unquestionably an excellent football coach and I believe he would've been successful here had he stuck it out.
     
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  29. Da 'Fins

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    I understand Ricky's feelings given his situation. And, micro-management is a problem in leadership. It can become oppressive in an unhealthy way.

    On the other hand, the most detailed coach in the profession is probably Bill Belichick and he is the best there is in the past decade.

    Personally, I don't think it's the details, I suspect Sparano's problems are that he doesn't give the information that will help the team win. They aren't prepared to go into a game - to know what the opponent will do and have the players in position. But, there's much more to the whole issue than just this point that Ricky brings up.

    There's no doubt that Belichick's teams are as prepared as any. He knows how to find a weakness and defeat it and put his players in perfect position to win. Whether Tony has the smarts to do that or not is another thing.

    But, details are vitally important.
     
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  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    not bitter, just being honest.

    I wonder if Ricky meditated before bashing the guy who helped him get his career back.
     
  31. Zod

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    Ricky is a guy that thinks he has been used and been paid for being used. It's a full fledged business with him and I don't know why anyone would think his words are more important NOW than the day he was handed a post-it note with a contract offer. His opinions seemed to matter very little back then.
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    Sums it up pretty well...

     
  33. krypto

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    Because a lot of these posters are cowards. They've never played contact ball in their lives before. They just post all day on the internet and put on a Dolphins jersey and all of a sudden they're football gurus. Williams is being blasted because he's saying what Stevie Wonder could have seen all year? "Zod" is defending Sparano when he hasn't done jack ****. and he seriously wants to harp on Ricky's fumbling problems? Really? Of all things negative since RW joined the Fins, thats what he wants to cling on? Get the F out
     
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  34. gilv13

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    Ricky spoke his mind, which i can appreciate because he confirms what a lot of people were thinking. I wished he would have commented more on the playcalling, just to see what he would have said about that. Good luck to him wherever he goes, I also got the hint he would like to play in NE as well.
     
  35. Killerphins

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    The offense was an embarrassment this season. I can understand Ricky's frustration.
    Would you want your name attached to that trash?
    He knows Henning was garbage and Sparano didn't do a damn thing about it.
    Very sad for Ricky to go out like this.
     
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    Get his career back? The man carried the running game for this team... The fact is that he outplayed Ronnie Brown he earned his place, he would of earned here or anywhere he went, Sparano didnt do him any favors. People wanna hate on Ricky cause he walked away after getting beaten down like a mexican donkey lugging stones up a steep mountain in the 2002 season, fact is he wanted to have life after football and carrying the ball 30+ times a game was going to leave him crippled, you cant put value on quality of life. Whatever happens to ricky i am grateful for the TD's and tons of yards he has collected over the years here in SoFla.
     
  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Sparano gave him a job when most teams probably would not.
     
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    It's funny that Ricky is taking a stab at Henne, saying "They have a quarterback" when asked about the major difference between Dolphins and Patriots...But, if you ask me, one of the major differences between Miami and New England is they have Running Backs.

    BenJarvus Green-Ellis rushed for 1,000+ yards, 4.4 avg, and 13 TD, with 0 fumbles. Danny Woodhead had a 5.6 avg, with 5 TD, and 1 fumble.

    Ricky Williams finished with a 4.2 avg, 2 TD, and 4 fumbles. Ronnie Brown finished with a 3.7 avg, 5 TD, and 3 fumbles.

    Why don't you look at yourself in the mirror before you take some jabs at your other teammates you washed up POS? I don't understand how anyone can respect this guy at this point in his career. He quit playing football to go smoke in Australia for what? 3 years? Then he comes back to Miami and has a pretty average 3 seasons, and leaves with the statements he made. 4.1, 4.7, 4.2 yards per carry in the last 3 seasons. What a joke if you ask me.
     
  39. MarinePhinFan

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    Ricky would have a 1500 yard season playing for the Pats.
     
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  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    not without the ability to break tackles
     

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