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Darlington: Nothing happening with Cowher

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jan 5, 2011.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Eh, the Chin was asked by Wayne H after the 07 season and he turned it down, so it kinda looks like Cowher is just not destined to Coach in Miami.
     
  2. Samphin

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    Conflicting reports, as other sources are saying that Miami is "wooing," Cowher. The 2007 campaign was bad timing as Bill had just walked away from the Steelers with the intent of not coaching for a couple of years, for a myriad of reasons.

    Not that it will happen this time, but if the rumors of him wanting to get back in the game, us being onhis shortlist and Miami looking for anyone other than Sparano, if he doesn't come now, then yes, it is destined to not work.
     
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  3. PhinsNeedMeandU

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    maybe cause cowher knows how hard it will be to please everyone down here. He doesnt seem that stupid to take a job in miami. I wouldn't.
     
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  4. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I think it's pretty simple.

    We give Cowher full control and lots of money, he's here.

    While it's possible he's not interested but not saying so to keeping his leverage with other potential suitors, I think the price and conditions are going to be the same no matter where he lands.

    IMO, meeting the price and power gets it done.
     
  5. flynryan151

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    I have no problem with giving him the control, he simply knows he can't work with Ireland their philosophies don't mesh! Cowher has a drive, commitment to excellence, and loyalty Parcells never had! Therefore I don't trust anyone associated with Parcells!
     
  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Ross needs to name Sparano the head coach today and end this fiasco
     
  7. DolfanJake

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    It really is getting embarrassing and needs to be addressed. Other potential coaches are looking at this, and they will put Miami on the "only if I am desperate" list because of the way Ross is treating Sparano. Good coaches always have options, and this is making the Dolphins one of those "NON" options for the future.
     
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  8. vt_dolfan

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    I see no reason to hire Sparano today and be done with it. Do I feel bad for Tony? Sure....he's also a millionaire several times over because of the Phins...so in the end....dangle.

    Obviously Harbaugh is #1 on the list...so....why would they tell Cowher Ireland would be gone...when your first choice is ok with him.

    Wait until Harbaugh is out of the picture....then see what we offer Cowher. My guess....is eventually....Ireland will be toast if infact thats what needs to happen to land either Cowher or Gruden.

    Ross is going for the big guys....keeping Sparano on hand gives him more leverage.

    What if Ross said to Sparano....Tony...keep the down low and let this play out...and youll see a nice fat bonus with your paycheck.
     
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  9. vt_dolfan

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    I disagree....completely.

    I think it shows other coaches we have a good business man for an owner.....one who isnt going to just make rash decisions.

    I think this paints Ross as a great owner to be joined with.
     
  10. Coral Reefer

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    :lol:

    Some of you guys are such drama queens it seriously cracks me up.

    Do you really think Miami is the highest pressure job out there?
    That the fan base here is the only one that fills up sports talk airwaves with frustration?
    Try NY, Philly, Dallas, Pitt, etc, etc, etc.

    Any city that has a history of winning has pressure.

    If you guys think Cowher would turn down the Phins job because of things said on radio and a message board by fans you're beyond help.
     
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  11. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think ross is proving to be a clown
     
  12. Coral Reefer

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    Agreed completely.
     
  13. padre31

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    Have not been thrilled with any of this so far, no Darlington is speculating that maybe we are waiting for Jeff Fisher to shake loose in TN.

    A show with everything but Yul Brenner.
     
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  14. DolfanJake

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    Totally disagree. People don't respect this kind of treatment of their peers, they disdain it. They make sure their agents know if they are contacted by the Dolphins to nicely tell us to **** off.
     
  15. Uncle Rico

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    Maybe Ross is working on getting Sparano up to Michigan? He's a Rah-Rah go-team-go kinda guy that would probably work better with college kids.
     
  16. DolfanJake

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    So what is really happening ? Is he really looking for someone else or is Tony being retained. This, if anything, is making Ross look desperate. Running after everyone that might "come loose". Its worthy of Barnum & Baileys finest shows.
     
  17. flynryan151

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    Yeah because when that happens then he fires him at the bye week the real fiasco ensues!
     
  18. Coral Reefer

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    Theres nothing to be disdained about.

    Tony's results have been unacceptable.
    He's in a review period and they are considering all avenues including possibly replacing him.
    Happens in any business across the country.
    Coaches should'nt be immune from such a process.

    Do I feel bad for Tony the person? Of course but business is business.

    Ross is doing complete due dilligence to make sure he feels he has the best plan going forward for success.
    I would expect nothing less and respect him for doing this.
     
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  19. adamprez2003

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    Prior to the season ending Ross should have known if he could get another coach. Monday Sparano should have been named the coach or fired based on that knowledge. What has instead happened is we will be tied to every other available coach, get none of them and look like fools for running our team this way. And Dolfan Jake is right. Other coaches will notice this treatment of Sparano. We are coming closer to being the Raiders as far as desirable jobs by these actions
     
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  20. DolfanJake

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    Of course he can and should do this. BUT WHY IS IT BEING DONE IN THE PUBLIC EYE ? Why don't the Dolphins do or say something to defuse the media speculation ? No other franchise has this happening to them. The others are making their decisions swiftly and decisively. With authority. While we just dangle in the wind. If Ross wants to change HC's then he needs to do it. His flirting with everyone else, has to be building up a great resentment in Sparano. Not that he is doing it, but that its being allowed to happen in public. Someone is leaking all of this.....is it Parcells ? WHO ? Who is the source that is telling these guys we are exploring all avenues.

    It doesn't make sense, the FO shuts all media down like its the CIA all the time on all kinds of other issues. Yet this one is up front & center and so very public. The latest is Ross is after Fisher. Who will it be next ?

    By the way isn't Fisher under contract and wouldn't that be tampering if we had contact with him ? The last thing we need is to lose draft picks because we got caught tampering.
     
  21. Coral Reefer

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    Again, it's a reveiw period plain and simple.
    Any ownership entitiy has a right to and is SMART to review people they have in positions of leadership if their results are not what they want.
    Exploring what else is out there before making the final decision to retain mgmt. or make a change is SMART bottom line.
     
  22. SeanP

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    Exactly this. If my boss wanted me fired due to shoddy performance, barring egregious failures he'd be looking for someone to fill my role far before he ever let me go. To think that any organization is going to shoot themselves in the foot just to maintain some grey line of morality is ridiculous. Companies are created to turn a profit, and downtime equates to loss of money.

    Ross is doing this like a businessman, and as much as I like Tony as a person, I want my football organization ran like a fortune 500 company, not Wally's burger shack.
     
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  23. Killerphins

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    Why does he have to name him the HC. He is still the HC. He hasn't been fired.
    I hope I'm wrong but it could be that Tony was told he would still be the HC and no one has officially told us he is being retained. He said we would hear about his plans soon enough so maybe they are working that out. Honestly I don't feel after the time that has gone by that they are going to make a change. They are keeping it on the downlow from the media and the fans. Don't hold your breath folks.
     
  24. SeanP

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    Is it being done in the public eye? Or are we as fans just scrutinizing it so much that it seems like it is? I don't think Ross has come out and publicly said anything outside of a general we're not committing to anything sort of spiel. The media is frantically trying to put out whatever information it can get to substantiate theories and insider information to suggest what the outcome of this whole HR decision might be. The Dolphins organization for the most part has been pretty darned private if you ask me.
     
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  25. padre31

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    Hmm, consider things this way:

    Monday was not about retaining Sparano, Monday was Sparano interviewing for the Miami Dolphins Head Coaching position, he gave his 3 hrs long proposal and Ross filed it away, now he is looking at other candidates for the Miami Dolphins Head Coaching position.

    That is what this is really all about, consider it a Head Coaching Search with Sparano holding some advantages due to the coming lockout and knowledge of his performance thus far.

    This could take awhile folks.
     
  26. Ricky'sBong

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    I think Ross is being smart not making a hasty decision. He isnt going to can Sparano until he has another HC in place.
     
  27. Coral Reefer

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    Back to the topic of Cowher.
    I fully believe that Cowher wants complete control and no GM input.
    That to me is a complete deal breaker.

    I don't care who he is.
    That situation didn't even work under our most cherished coach ever Shula and it was a disaster of epic proportions under Wanny.
    No reason to revisit a leadership structure that arguably is the biggest single reason the Phins franchise has suffered the past 15 years.
     
  28. adamprez2003

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    Well maybe I'm wrong but dont we need to overhaul our offensive coaches. I mean we have a off coordinator, qb coach, rb coach, ol coach and wr coach to find. I would like to have a shot at our first choices
     
  29. padre31

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    Mike Holmgren went to Seattle largely because he wanted more power over personnel decisions, by around yr #2 or so, they had to strip away some of that power as he was making bad decisions, and Holmgren is a sharp guy.
     
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  30. DolfanJake

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    Brother Adam, we don't often see eye to eye, so thanks for the support this time. I just can't see why others are burying their heads about this. And yes, Ross shouldn't be just now getting on this, or he has been a very bad owner. If he didn't realize how much trouble his team was in after they lost to Detroit, AT HOME he is an assclown of the 1st magnitude.
     
  31. DolfanJake

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    Wayne Huizenga knew he was in trouble and hired Parcells two weeks before the end of the 2007 season. He was prepared and had done his review before the season ended. Ross, if the reports are to be believed, is running after every new name put out there. And we hear nothing from Davie. Nothing to defuse any of these rumors. Its not good business to me, because after all this time, and he does end up retaining Sparano he looks like a weak owner, a loser, a man who cannot get the job done, is not a closer.

    Oh wait, something his team already has become.
     
  32. DolfanJake

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    UGH ! Its like talking to brick walls !

    Dude, I have NO PROBLEM WITH HIS LOOKING ! HE SHOULD ! I WANT SPARANO GONE ! Its the way its being done. So very publicly ! You don't let your business be aired in public, and if it is, you LIE EVEN to defuse it. You do a Nick Saban if you have too ! This to me is making Ross look like an assclown, and other teams owners are just chuckling at us, and HC's and other coaches are too, and shaking their heads looking at Sparanos position, and saying if I am working for that man, someday that could be me too ! No way I look at Miami unless its the last resort.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is when the Seahawks became a good team and went to the super bowl
     
  34. Ricky'sBong

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    and yet Parcells passed on a franchis qb for a LT. Hiring him two weeks before seasons end had little bearing on the results. I hear where you're coming from, but if he cans Sparano and then whiffs on the guy or guys he wants, then what?Promote Nolan? He cant go back to FistPumper.
     
  35. jdang307

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    Ross needs to man up. Tell Ireland, you can keep your job but you need to fire Sparano.
     
  36. Ricky'sBong

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    How is Stephen Ross supposed to control what a bunch of idiots post on Twitter?
     
  37. padre31

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    Why? He may fire them both and just hand things over to Cowher?
     
  38. padre31

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    But they did trade for Deon Branch and he was a major disappointment.
     
  39. DolfanJake

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    Yeah the longer this drags out, the more I think it stays the same.

    It could be they think the public is so stupid that all they have to do is let some time go by and then we can tell them you are staying Tony, and they will be all okay with it. All those people threatening to not buy season tix next year will forget their anger and then we can roll out Henne and Sparano next year and they'll fill the stadium again because their memories are short.
     
  40. DolfanJake

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    Why wasn't their speculation around Tom Cable ? I didn't know he was even in trouble....and that is the Raiders of all teams. Look at Cincinnati, not much about Lewis at all until he was renewed yesterday. In the past, when they want things quiet, they shut it down. Mort, Darlington, etc are being allowed to hear "sources" tell them these rumors. Where are the rumors coming from ? Look at Steve Wyche, he was even allowed to broadcast from the Davie facility yesterday. They were actively HELPING the media !
     

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