I just want a break from the Phins version of "Who's On First." For anyone not familiar with it, google it and LOL. I see it unlikely to get a QB at #15, other than maybe Locker. I see it more unlikely to move up. I like Ingram, and see him as the best fit to help our team this season. On the OL, we have OT's Solder from Col, Carimi from Wis, Castonza from BC, Smith from USC, and G Pauncey from Fla (few see him at C). Deciding what to do with Carey will have a bearing on the OL. I believe we can address the OL in FA but, we do have a whole lot of money tied up in Long and Carey. My ideal situation will be to trade down, and still get Ingram. Thoughts?
Without a QB nothing else matters There is no other hole on this te that even comes close in importance. If these clowns draft a lineman or Ingram in the first round they will earn the last place finish they get. That might be for the best if we could get Luck
We need playmakers, really that simple to me, we have some Oline talent that was injured, but without guys who make the offense move you just are not going to have much success. Would not mind Ingram and a Rook running back is likely to have the most impact the soonest.
A first round RB is pointless. We have drafted enough o-linemen. It's got to be a QB. I could live with receiver but without a QB they won't matter.
It would have a great point, we need more production out of the running game, how do you plan on bringing in a rook qb then not having a running game to support them?
If we could get a QB like Luck, I'd trade this year's draft, and maybe next year's as well. Ain't gonna happen. With sooo many teams looking QB, I don't see QB as a first round option, although stranger things have happened.
I'm thinking the same. I believe we can be a playoff team next season with the addition of a few VG players. There are some VG options on the OL in FA. I don't see any better than Ingram at RB.
Chicken or the egg argument; QB's take the longest to develop and RB take the shortest often being plug-n-play. By the time a QB is truely developed the RB is worn-out and you'll need another RB.
Well what I had in mind is say draft Ingram and resign Ronnie B and get the two back system back working, Garner comes back healthy Richie I moves to Center, that leaves RG wide open for a competition but will solve most of the Oline issues as RG is considered easier to fill than LG. But ingram is not the be all end all, they could go LG at #15, or trade back and draft a LG with a later pick and a running back in rds 3-7.
I can't make up my mind on what to do with Carey. He has not been great. Do we move him to G, keep him at RT, or replace him? In my mind, this is a tuff call, and makes a big difference in who we go after in the draft, as well as FA. Any help?
RG has been a problem for a while. I agree with Incognito at C, which leave another hole at LG unless we go after a Kalil at C. Do you think Garner is a better fit at G or RT?
This, I don't see us going for a QB first round. Our running game has been **** all year, which has affected our passing game. We need to get a RB and work on the Oline.
The guys/playmakers I'd like to see in a Dolphins uniform will most likely be gone by the team we pick--Blaine Gabbert and A.J. Green. With the #15 pick, I'd like to see Justin Blackmon there, I like Mark Ingram, maybe even take Gabe Carimi if this talk of Vernon Carey moving to RG is correct. I agree with Padre though, we need some form of a instant impact at that pick. My bold prediction could hold true though. In a draft loaded with defensive talent at the top, don't be surprised to see Miami go defense. I'm just saying...
I'll take Gabbert. With the emergence of a guy like Saffold, it isn't as risky to get a second or third round O-Lineman. I think we may be able to go Gabbert first round. A RB in the third. I think we'll still be able to find an explosive WR in the fourth. This is hoping we can sign Mankins. The way I see it, Long, Mankins, Incognito, Jerry, Carey, is a pretty damn good line with the only possible weaknesses being Jerry's progress or Carey's ****/injury. Otherwise, I think we can do well with this line. If necessary, we can sign Malcolm Floyd or MSW in FA and draft some competition for Jerry.
Im Tired of Everyone Saying "Draft a QB in the First Round" Most Likely By the Time our Number Hits, The Good QBs will be gone. Dont Draft a QB just To Say That We Drafted a QB in the First Round. We Need O-Line Help Draft a Linemen. Not A Big Fan Of Drafting a RB in the First Round because of all the Gems in later rounds Hey Im Even All For Justin Blackmon if He Enters This Years Draft. And if We Really Think About it Is Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker Really Worth a 1st Round Pick?
Gabbert is absolutely...problem is, hes not going to be there when we pick. He will be long gone. I dont like drafting Guards in the top of the first. if we trade back into the late 20s im more it. There is just to many play makers at wideout for me to pass on one of those in the first 2 rounds.
I love this discussion and hope this what the brain trust, using that term very loosely, is thinking. Please avoid a QB. Then we are much more likely to completely tank next season, have a shot at Luck and a new coach.
I'm actually for trading up for him. It can't be any worse than trading up for Mark Sanchez who has 17 TD's to 13 INT's.
As much as I like Blackmon, rook Wr's rarely make huge impacts, with Ronnie B pushing 30 and Williams leaving, we could use some more splash at the position, especially with the constraints on training camp and mini camp finding that late rd gem will be more difficult this season. I'd love to replace Channing Crowder, and we could use another passrusher or a ballhawk at Free Safety. Running Back and Oline heading into this offseason is a real problem, one that really cannot be ignored.
Safety position is not good in this draft. so dont look for that ball hawk FS in this draft. we missed our chance last year
id love to see the dolphins get ingram hes a beast and very hard to bring down. his work ethic is unreal.
My hope was that they would draft Gabbert but with Luck not entering the draft Gabbert will be long gone (1st QB taken). I am not a big fan of drafting Ingram as he in not a big play type of RB. We don't need a 3 yards and a could of dust type of RB. The Fins really need to address the OL which was horrible this past year. I think they have some pieces there if they can move Carey to RG and have Incognito play center. That would put the Fins in the position of having to find a RT and LG (maybe they can add a Mankin, I know pipe dream, to help settle down the OL). The Fins have to do something at the #2 WR, TE and QB as well. I think they have to trade down and try to recoup that 2nd round pick they gave up for BM. Problem with the QB position is that Ireland and Sparano are in win now mode. They don't have time to try to bring a rookie along. I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if out of desperation the Fins trade their 1st round pick for some run of the mill QB like Orton (yes I know how dumb that would be).
And if we draft a QB in the first round, then our run game is still awful, especially now that Ricky is gone and possibly Ronnie. Only 1 RB in free agency is worthy of starting for us at this point in his career and that is Michael Bush. Odds are we won't get him. Henne is better than any QB in the draft right now and is still pretty young. Why set back our offense even further? Makes no sense.
IMO Ingram is too much like RW and RB. If the dolphins do decide to draft a runningback I'd like a speed back who can catch balls out of the backfield. Leon Washington would be perfect for this. I'd use the first round pick on either a qb, wr, or a crowder replacement
Still too early to say who will and won't be there when we pick. Also, don't forget the Ravens and Falcons both got to the playoffs with rookie QB's, so it's not wrong to think we can do it too. But obviously, we need to fix the running game as well. That's a major problem. It's going to be a very busy offseason with new OC and other coaches as well as free agents and the draft.
Well, now Luck is staying at Stanford. Take him out of the equation and that leaves us with Ryan Mallet, Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, and Nathan Enderle as probably the top 5 QBs available. 2 of those QBs will be gone by the time we pick at 15, but let's say all of them are there some how... 1. Mallet- His inability to pick up a blitz is incredible. You saw what he did when Ohio State pressured him in the Sugar Bowl. Yes, he can make just about any throw in the world, but so can Henne. We all know Henne has an arm and has developed quite a bit in terms of throwing since he has entered the NFL. He just has other things he needs to work on. 2. Blaine Gabbert- What is so special about this guy? I've only seen this guy play once and I wasn't impressed. Don't have much to say really about him, except for the fact that he plays in the Big 12, which is notorious for below average defenses and only racked up 16 TD, 9 INT this season and in Mizzou's losses this season he was pretty bad. I'm assuming Miami fans like this guy because he is somewhat mobile for a pocket passer and would be an upgrade over Henne for that lonely reason. That isn't a good enough reason to me to get this guy in the 1st round. 3. Cam Newton- I'll make this one short. HE WILL NOT BE A PRODUCTIVE NFL QB. 1 year of gametape in college, run first QB (last I checked, most run first QBs don't succeed in the NFL), average arm, and has been in some trouble in the past couple of years. This would be an awful pick. 4. Jake Locker- Now that Luck is gone, I think this guy is the best QB available at this point. I feel like he will be the 1st or 2nd QB taken in the draft. If our front office is 100% set on getting a QB at 15, then this is the only guy I would want right now. 5. Nathan Enderle- I know absolutely nothing about this guy, other than I've seen projections of him going late 1st-2nd or 4th-5th round. 6. Chad Henne- He has 2 years of starting experience under his belt, he has an above .500 win percentage in the NFL, can make any throw in the world, is the only player out of anyone in the draft or FA that has worked with the offense and the players around him, has learned quite a bit since coming to the NFL, and is more polished than anyone in the draft.
