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Dolphins expected to consider QB Vince Young

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatic8480, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Your hatred for Henne clouds your vision. The Titans have no one to play QB at all now except father time Collins and Chris Simms yet they let VY walk the plank.

    We have all heard the saying one man's trash is another man's treasure...... in this case the saying would be one man's trash is another man's trash. Vince Young sucks bro and he is a head case. I want no part of that douchebag.
     
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  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Until we get a different QB's coach to teach, coach and mentor a young rookie QB, I wouldn't draft a QB.

    David Lee has done a poor job at mentoring Henne and hasn't helped Thigpen in his progession.

    I'm telling you, we need to find a way to get John Ramsdell from San Diego down to Miami. He has a proven track record with QB's

    Kurt Warner
    Marc Bulger
    Drew Brees
    Phillip Rivers

    Would anyone argue that these QB's havent had success under his tutelage? John Ramsdell has what we've been lacking the past 10 years...a proven track record!!
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Trade them Henne straight up for Young.

    Bro, you cannot stuff guts inside of a Qb, you just cannot, that is why Quinn has bounced around, that is why Edwards was waived by the Bills, a Qb has balls, or they do not, Henne is in the "not" category
     
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  4. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    need a real step up not another inconsistent QB with promise
    if we go free-agency better prospects should be available
     
  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I agree with you 1000% on this padre, with you have guts or you don't...and the one thing I've NOT seen in Vince Young, see picture below.

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    Not that I'm looking for nor expect Vince Young to have the God like skills of Dan Marino, but just look at his eyes...the intensity on his face...the determination. Marino epitomized what a true competitor should strive to be.
     
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  6. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    The Titian's win that trade. And since when did Young grow a pair?
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I do not attend shirtless tequila parties at night clubs so I could tell you for sure when that happened.
     
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  8. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Yeah we know but what the hell does Marino have to do with this conversation?
    We are talking about Vince Young to the Dolphins and how big of a bust he is. Pod thinks he has guts and I think he is a god damn coward. If you can't take the heat which VY can't then he needs to go sell tires at Wal Mart. Vince Young blows that is why the Titans are willing to not have a QB on the roster instead of going with this bust # 1 pick.
     
  9. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    Bro but you still need to seek permission and at least talk and see if the trade talks issue has humbled him, and if going to a new team is going to re-light the fire. If not then fine, then we focus on Kyle Orton to come in here and compete.
     
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  10. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    KevinKolb, CarsonPalmer & KyleOrton would all be serious free-agency upgrades @ QB
    sure Miami is engaged/speculating @ some level these three
    the draft is ripe with good QB prospects this year, we could move up & snatch the best
     
  11. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    No second round pick and that is what Denver wants which is way too much for Orton. I would teeter on giving up a three. Orton is going to be tough to get.
     
  12. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    None of which will become FA's, Kolb is on the trade block for, I've heard, 2 #1's or a #1 and #2 in the same draft.
     
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  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    A first for Kolb? That would be total desperation.
    Pass the bong please. :wink2:
     
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  14. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    If we want him we get him with a pick this year and a pick next year. We need competition at the QB spot. If we don't get that our offense will not forward enough that we need it to.
     
  15. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Akili Smith, Andre Ware, David Carr, Joey Harrington are all still waiting on that light.
     
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  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Yes we need competition agreed but saying it doesn't make it happen. I like Orton but we won't be in the mix to land him without a second round pick. Unfortunately we surrendered that pick in a trade for a subpar WR who is allergic to the end zone. :wink2:
     
  17. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Listen guys, I'm in agreeance with you that Vince Young is a bust.

    He's not a student of the game
    He's not a leader at the NFL level
    He doesn't possess the courage nor determination

    That's all I was getting at in my reference to Marino. In all my years of watching football since '72, I've NEVER seen a QB with as much raw determination and courage under fire as Marino.

    Vince Young lacks the intangibles needed to be a successful QB in the NFL...those Marino"esque" traits that willed the Dolphiins to victory year after year. In my opinion, the closest we've had to that fire and determination since his retirement was Jay Fiedler. What he lacked in talent, he made up for in raw courage and determination, something we've been poorly lacking.
     
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  18. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    There are ways to make it work. Unless we use those picks in the draft to move up, and pick up a FA QB to go with a higher draft pick. One way or another, the caliber of QB needs to rise significantly for this organization to move forward.
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I don't want Orton either. He's been too inconsistent in both Chicago as well as Denver.

    If we were to go after a QB in free agency, I'd try and get Kevin Kolb from Philadelphia...and getting him is a possibility. It would be an expensive possibility but one nonetheless. Kolb is an NFL starter and I don't know of too many NFL starters that would be happy riding the bench behind Michael Vick.

    It may cost us to get him, but as with the San Diego debacle what, 5 years ago? Between Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers...the same recipie is brewing in Philadelphia with Michael Vick and Kevin Kolb.

    I say we snatch Kolb if we can and don't make another "Daunte Culpepper" disaster of a choice in trying to get Kyle Orton.

    That's just my opinion. Of course, I could be wrong.
     
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  20. padre31

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    Well, here is my bottom line view of Vince Young:

    He is the type of Qb who win football games for a team, he is a superb athlete, however even Daunte Culpepper was better at being a Qb than Young, and when that raw athletic talent starts to fade over the cliff he will go, you just do not want to be in the car with him when it goes over the brink.
     
  21. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    I am just saying we need to do our homework and learn from the mess this last week. I guess once we know who our OC will be and what kinda of offense we will run then it should be an easier fit with QB's. I agree that Orton had his miscues in the past, but he was doing better with Denver before Tebow took over.
     
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  22. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    He's not better. And i don't do crack unless its wears high heels and is sexy.
     
  23. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    Charley Casserly just reported he believes that Vince will get released Feb. 7th the first day players can get released. He said he talked to all the teams and not one team said they would sign him as a starter, but as a backup. Charlie said that someone will pick him as a back up for sure.Take it for what it is worth.
     
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  24. GreysonWinfield

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    Kolb has proved nothing and that shiny luster was peeled away after the Dallas game. Palmer is becoming like Pennington physically and he is not as smart. Orton could be a good fit as he is only 28 and has done well over the last 3 seasons. Sign him to a 4-5 year contract, draft your future QB and let him learn.
     
  25. slickj101

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    Talk about a disaster for a lockerroom.
     
  26. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Give me Vince and a young runningback. Dude is a winner.
     
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    Sparano is not worried. He just found out that the worse he coaches the more they pay him and the longer his contract will be!! Besides they will handcuff VY anyway the way they limit everyone else
     
  28. padre31

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    Well, that makes him a bit more attractive as he could be signed from Day 1 as he is still within the 2010 NFL season, you'd just be on the hook for 12 million or so to have access to his services.

    FWIW, I want Kyle Orton, and would part with the #15 for him as long as we also landed the Broncos 3rd rd pick as well which is basically a late #2 in terms of talent still on the Draft board.
     
  29. Coral Reefer

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  30. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Why don't we consider a Patriots backup? They know how to develop players. We seem to like taking players from the Chokeboys....pillage the Patriots instead!
     
  31. flynryan151

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    Vince Young is to QBs what our owner is to a coaching search. ****ing dysfunctional!
     
  32. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    They must really want the 1st overall.
     
  33. Tin Indian

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    Pads, I'm sure your colon would appreciate a little more ruffage.
     
  34. Phyl

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    AJ Feeley looked great in Philly's offensive system too.

    I'm not sure I trust anyone from the Philly system at QB. I'd take Andy Reid and whatever offensive coaches they have because they can make anyone look good, but I don't trust any of their QBs to be as successful in our system (unless we get a Philly OC/QB Coach or whatever).
     
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  35. Pariah

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    I also like Orton, and wish we had a 2nd to part with for him because I would hate to give up 15 (because I want Ingram there).
     
  36. Pariah

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    There is no more "they."
     
  37. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Why not trade our first for Orton and Denver's 2nd? That wouldn't be a bad way to go. Seems like Orton worked well with Marshall in 2009 too. Marshall had his best season for TD catches in 2009. I'd consider it anyway.

    The past two seasons he has a QB rating of 87.1, 7.1 yds per attempt, 41 TD passes and 21 ints. Not too shabby.
     
  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    As for Young, over the past two seasons he has a QB rating of 88.7 and 7.5 yds per attempt, 20 TDs, and 10 INTs. The Titans were 13 and 8 in games he started. He averaged 5 yds per attempt on 80 rushes. If we could get him as a UFA at a reasonable contract, then hell yes, I'm all for giving him a try...
     
  39. Killer B's

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    So we want an explosive offense but yet we're willing to settle for VY? Averages out of 39 starts and 54 games played in 5 years: 150Yds/G, 42 passing TD's, 12 rush TD's, 42 int's, 38 fumbles, 57.9% comp, 6.8 Yds/att and a 75.7 career QB rating. Source: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounVi00.htm

    Even if he could emotionally survive more than a year, which I have my doubts, our fanbase would tear him apart. Not to mention he's had one of the best running games and a much better oline for 5 years. 06-08 he had a great defense. One could argue his win percentage for starts of 26-13 is very good but the oppisite side is he didn't start in 41 out of 81 games available (1 playoff game). In the past five years they've had two winning seasons. His playoff record is 0-1.

    Unless he comes with a major clause and no cap hit, I think I 'd rather take my chances. Orton out of the others mentioned as a 2-3 year stop gap until we can land an upgrade via the draft or FA.
     
  40. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Do you really want Young's blood on our podium after our fanbase boos him like they did when Cameron announced Ted Ginn? Then again after the way this offseason has started, I wouldn't rule it out.
     

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