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To All You Dolphin Fans That Wanted To Take Earl Thomas With Pick #12

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by AdamC13, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Having watched some UT ball here in Austin I really wanted Thomas. I was a big proponent of his over people who kept saying he was too small or not physical enough - that was total BS and the kid is proving it.

    Jimmy Graham was the other guy I really was intrigued by, and was sad we passed on him for Jerry. The jury is still largely out on him, but the potential is enormous.
     
  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    As I recall, Mayock even had him above Eric Berry.
     
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  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You're right, it's speculation and no way to really know whom we would have drafted had we stayed at 12. I'm pretty sure we were very interested in Thomas, but it could just as well have been Brandon Graham.
     
  4. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    just as a suspected. a bit of his own conflict of interest, imo
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    honestly there are tons of guys we could have had. In Retrospect I think I would rather have Maurkice Pouncey than Earl Thomas considering the jobs Chris Clemons and Joe Berger did. I know he had the toe problems this year but Jahvid Best looked like a beast the first couple of weeks. Jermaine Gresham anyone?
     
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  6. TheMageGandalf

    TheMageGandalf Senior Member

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    :lol:

    Yeah, sure.

    Tony: I really like this player. He has upside and is a great talent overall. I want him on the team.

    Ireland: Food for thought Tony. (then Ireland picks someone else)

    :lol:

    With Judas Ireland still having final say, NOTHING has really changed.
     
  7. FanMarino

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    Were you watching the same player i was? Bryant looks a good one.
     
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  8. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

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    I live in Cowboy land, and Dex is a playmaker, pure and simple. You won't find one Cowboy fan with one bad word to say about him...And
    if you don't think Cowboy fans will turn on a player in a heartbeat, you're wrong.
     
  9. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Count me on board, Earl Thomas was my guy as well.

    Oh well, Clemmons played well, Misi was a good pickup. The guy that concerns me is Odrick, he seems to be made of glass at this point. Not Good.
     
  10. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    I did like Thomas but Kindle was my choice. A few pre and post draft hindsight thoughts.

    Starks showed that you can get a pass rush from a 3-4 DE. Nolan decided to move him to NT. No one knew Soliai would be as good as he has played. That left us with Langford, Merling, and McD (who also surprised many) at DE. Odrick was not a bad position pick at the time.

    Misi had a VG year, and looks to get better and better. Who would have taken his place with a Thomas pick? Clemons has also surprised with a very solid year.

    At this point, no one can dispute that Thomas has been the best player. I'm gonna wait a year or two before calling him the better choice for our team. Who knows how Misi, Odrick, and Clemons will progress?

    I would not trade Misi and Odrick for Thomas. Time will tell but the trade and picks were not a bad move.
     
  11. CaribPhin

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    Blount + Thomas. ;_;
     
  12. Makados10

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    I thought our positions of need were S and NT going into the draft like most people... but they didn't turn out to be that big with players on the roster stepping up.

    If Odrick comes back strong next year, it was a good trade. AJ Edds was another pick we had high hopes on to fill a roll for the team.

    As much as injuries suck if they ruin a drafted player's career, it's tuff to fault the FO on that... I'm much more bummed about high draft picks that never developed like Pat White, Patrick Turner, & others.
     
  13. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Yet another person who is unfamiliar with the definition of "hindsight."
     
  14. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    Injuries have cursed this FO. No one can tell me that a healthy Grove, Smiley, and Ronnie would not have made a big difference in last year's team. We all saw what these guys did, giving Henne manageable third downs to keep moving the chains, and doing very well in the red zone, EVEN WITH HENNING.
     
  15. Ricky'sBong

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    huh? wait till Dallas rids themselves of that anchor known as Roy Williams
     
  16. Ricky'sBong

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    he seems to have something against him. seen him dog him more than once over on finheaven. i think he might be jeff ireland, or hes just unfamilar with what an explosive offensive football player looks like.
     
  17. Ricky'sBong

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    Mayock has a serious hardon for the kid. pimped him all day during the Hawks game. that said, kid is a damn good football player. only drawback is hes not much of a hitter compared to Berry. but his ballskills and anticipation, explosiveness caused him to drop on the Phins board. too talented.
     
  18. hemidemon

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    First Odrick had no preexsisting injury. Second are you refering to Dez's preseason injury? Those numbers still don't match being a first round pick. They are very average. Not one 100 yard game.
     
  19. PHINANALYST

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    well, i'd of rather had Clay Mathews than Davis .... even if that meant we wouldn't have Wake right now - which i think we still would.

    i think we have to wait til the end of next season to talk about Thomas vs Odrick/Misi .... as i for one believe Odrick is going to be very good, assuming he fully recovers from his foot/leg injury. i also believe as others have suggested - that Misi could move inside and be an upgrade to Crowder next to Dansby.

    Clay Mathews on the other hand, would already be probably one of the best OLBs this franchise has ever had. We could have still gotten Smith and another CB and not wasted 2B ....
     
  20. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    So did I! lol
     
  21. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Yes Odrick did. Why would you write such a thing without even researching it? Odrick has a plate in the same bone that he broke this season from a break in the 2007 season.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    I had Brandon Graham in the first, and Gronkowski in the 2nd if we could of recouped it somehow..

    Had Berry than Thomas...berry top 10, thomas top 20.
     
  23. MarinePhinFan

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    There is no way to determine how one player on another team would play on this team.
     
  24. flynryan151

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    Since Marine already spanked you I will just point out that anytime you plate a fibula it has a %60 rate of complications. Yeah buddy those numbers do match a first round pick that went to a team with 2 starting WRs and a couple more that were getting significant playing time. Like I said in 3/4 of a rookie year Dez has more punt returns for TDs then the entire Dolphins franchise this century. Not to mention how many times he flipped field position for them. Serious take of the teal and Orange blunders it is ok to say your franchise screwed up!
     
  25. flynryan151

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    Thank you! I know the injury/procedure well I need it done DR says 60% give or take stress fracture in active males. Bet the number is higher in males of his size.
     
  26. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Not only was Odrick starting at RDE Week 1, he was also sliding inside with the first unit nickel defense next to Starks.

    Do not underestimate just how well a rookie has to be playing to pull that off. Especially on this defensive line.

    We love to poo poo this pick. I don't. If he comes back strong, look out.

    - sent from my Android via Tapatalk -
     
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  27. flynryan151

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    You like the pick I don't. Could he be good? Sure! Could he end up with that busted fib hampering his career? I would say there is a very good chance. Either way a de was a very low need for us. This regime needs to stop drafting linemen step up and bring us a speedy play making homerun hitter!
     
  28. Clipse

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    Yes, a 3-4 DE is high priority. Pass rushers are the 2nd most important position on a team. 3-4 DE's who rush the passer do not grow on trees. Safeties are far down the line of importance.
     
  29. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    The problem was they didn't place a high enough value on a play making FS...... they were too worried about recouping that 2nd rounder. Which is a spot you get in when you blow as many picks and FA signings as they have.
     
  30. flynryan151

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    Quick question what cost us more games this year pash rush or safeties getting beat in coverage, dropping picks and failing to make plays? The primary function of a 3-4 is to eat up linemen. Sometimes I swear on this site and others you just post to disagree with me, but deep down you know until this defense finds a way to cover a te it is going to be average. Even if I were to agree de is a high priority in a 3-4 which I don't we had much bigger needs. Not to mention Ordrick was damaged goods and missed 99% of the season and we don't know how well he rushes the passer especially since his only showing was against Buffalo and their terrible oline. Last let's not forget Ireland and his tendency to cut players who find the injury list.
     
  31. AdamC13

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    I will go out on a limb and say Thomas would have been "outstanding" in our secondary, make that ANY secondary. Nolan would have no problem seeing the talent Thomas has and put him in position to succeed. When I think back to all the plays Clemons almost made Thomas would have been a significant upgrade. Sapp and Clemons were two players that seemed to always be a step or two away. Doesn't take long watching Seattle to see Thomas is a play-maker and would have been in on the play being disruptive and getting turnovers.

    Given Odrick's injury we would essentially have Thomas vs Misi...I would take Thomas, easily. Not knocking Misi just that Thomas is special.
     
  32. Southbeach

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    Easy to agree, so far. Who would you have taking Misi spot? Also, Odrick is like an extra first rounder this year, and Clemons would have never played. Too early to say the better move.
     
  33. MarinePhinFan

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    Have fun hanging in the wind. ;)

    The facts are players play differently on different teams. There are multiple reasons for this which I won't go into here. Calling a 1 year NFL player "special" is going even further out on that limb. Not saying that he won't one day be great, but making any sort of claim for greatness after 1 pro season is absurd. There are VERY few people not named Dan Marino or Ndamukong Suh that could be called "special" after their first season.

    I like Misi. If Odrick comes in and plays well, at least equal to or better than Misi played his first season, I'll be happy with these two over Thomas.
     
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  34. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    But you're only saying that because Odrick missed most of the the season... I still would take both the longer term advantages of Misi and Odrick over one safety....
     
  35. Clipse

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    Neither. I can't think of a single game that Chris Clemons cost us this year, not can I think of a game that not getting pressure was the main pressure. Clemons was a good player for us. He didn't get burnt much at all. He dropped 1, maybe 2 picks, oh well. I can't think of any games that having Earl Thomas would of changed the outcome of either. And we certainly didn't have many problems covering TE's. Keller had a great game against us once, but was completely shut down the next game. Rob Gronkowski had a great game against us once, but he and Hernandez was shut down the rest of the time. Ben Watson was the only other to have a great game against us. Earl Thomas is so good the Seahawks had the 27th ranked pass defense. We had the 8th. Safety is not an important position.

    As for Odrick, no, we don't know how well he rushes the passer, but I think it's pretty clear on his college tape the guy is going to be a very good player. While the primary goal of 3-4 ends is to eat up lineman, ones that can rush the passer and find the ballcarrier like Justin Smith, Richard Seymour, Trevor Pryce, and Haloti Ngata are hard to find, and are huge impacts on a defense.
     
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  37. Stringer Bell

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    I would probably take Odrick and Misi over Earl Thomas. Tough call, but those are two starters that will likely be playing for us for a long time.
     
  38. Bpk

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    And Bruce Smith wasn't too shabby either from 3-4 End.
     
  39. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Well that is the safe route....... or you could have a perennial Pro Bowl playmaker......a serious impact player.

    Passing on impact players leaves you drafting in slots 15-22 every year
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not sure what you mean by "safe route" or "impact" player. Misi had a big impact on our defense this year. Odrick would have as well if he stayed healthy. For him to earn a starting spot is impressive, especially considering who he was competing with.
     

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