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Ross to Sparano: Open up the offense

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jan 10, 2011.

  1. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I think he is , he expressed his view and the staff should know if the owner has any thoughts pertaining to that.

    The weather should be to our advantage , why negate that?
     
  2. Ricky'sBong

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    really? many fans wanted Matt Ryan over Long. many fans have been screaming for an athletic TE for two years now. when fans can identify a teams weaknessess and shortcomings plain as day, but the ppl in charge either cant or dont address them, what does that say?
     
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  3. jdang307

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    Agree or disagree with Ross speaking up or not, he is 100% correct about the weather. We have not taken advantage of the So Fla summer heat since the days of Wannstedt.
     
  4. adamprez2003

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    well then lets bypass ireland all together and let the fans draft our players by calling into a 800 #. we can make it like american idol. we'll call it american porpoise

    and no, many fans did not want matt ryan. it was chris long or jake long predominantly
     
  5. adamprez2003

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    he's the guy that asked the nfl to schedule all our games late at the beginning of the season because he thought our fans couldnt deal with the heat
     
  6. Ricky'sBong

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    maybe on this site it was. on the one i was on many wanted Matt Ryan. you can poke fun all you like, but my point still remains. when fans can see your teams shortcomings and nothing is done to address them, what does that say?
     
  7. KB21

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    The thing is, most fans really can't see the team's short comings. They see what they perceive to be the team's short comings when in reality, the short comings are something completely different all together.

    Here we have an owner talking about the need to run a wide open, pass happy offense, saying that it would take advantage of the heat and the weather the Dolphins play in. It shows his ignorance of the NFL.

    The fact of the matter is, the Dolphins biggest issue this past season was their inability to run the football. Fix that, and this is a playoff team. Unfortunately, fans don't get excited about running the football, unless they see a quarterback who can run. Then they get all damn giddy with excitement, even though said quarterback can't throw the ball a lick.
     
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  8. Ricky'sBong

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    well fairly obvious shortcomings to me are

    - no explosive punt returner once again
    - no explosive ability from the rb postion
    - no athletic seam buster TE, lol go figure
    - Channing Crowder
    - Carey needs to kick inside
    - Tonys rejigging of the interior OL blew up in his face
    - find a legit pass rusher to help Wake out
    - put copious amounts of stickum on Sean Smiths gloves
     
  9. Larryfinfan

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    Well is this the same Ross that tried to hire a new HC before firing the old one ?? Is this the same Ross that insists us fans really care that JLo and the Serena Sisters are part owners ?? Is this the same Ross that asked the league to schedule our Sept games at different times ?? Said the fans didn't want the heat ?? Methinks he's nothing more than an over-zealous fan like many of us here...

    That said, all I want is wins and playoff appearances, if that means changing the O, fine. If it means 3 yrds and a cloud of dust, I'm fine with that. If it means WCO, that's fine. If it means mortgaging the future for a QB that's ok too. If it means "Fist Pump" at every FG, that's fine too.... Just give me W's and playoffs...
     
  10. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    That's a great, great point KB...The OL has not developed, which ironically was the biggest problem that we had in 2006, 2007, etc....Fix the OL, get the power run game going and then, we can address the lesser problems of individual pieces like returners, TEs, etc.
     
  11. Ricky'sBong

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    you need more than a power run game to succeed. and thats where the problem begins with this regime and their outdated philosophy of "bigger is better ball ".
     
  12. ChrisKo

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    Not 100% true, Saban used it to his advantage as we smack the ever living dog crap out of Denver in the heat. That was the game where JT had the huge fumble return for a TD where he did the JumpMan over the goal line with time exprining as he collapsed in the endzone from the exhaustion. In fact, that might have been the first game of the season with Saban, but I don't quite remember and I'm too lazy to look it up.
     
  13. vt_dolfan

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    Eh....I mean...I grew up watching Dan Marino his entire career, so, call me jaded, but I kinda like a canon armed QB and a high flying passing game. I think its to each their own. I certainly like a power running game, but not how this regime wanted to run it. I very much enjoyed what the Cowboys were able to do, and Troy Aikman didnt put up Marino esque numbers.

    When we had Dan Marino and passed all day....we almost never lost in September and October at home...so a passing game takes advantage of the heat in the same way....

    As well....I am not a fan of having a QB that can run....not in the same way we expect out of Vick, or Vince Young or Cam Newton.

    Now...Steve Young and young Brett Favre type running....absofreakinlutley. I really like the way Aaron Rogers handles himself in the pocket. A QB who can buy himself time, scramble for a 1st down from time to time, Im all over that.

    Heck...look at Dan Marino....could he run? No...but he was very agile, and had very quick feet....
     
  14. Carldc1

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    Lets not forget people we had one of the worst defences in football last year (Defense win's champoinships) we GOT to have a run game to open up the pass, and I'm sorry but our secondary is W.E.A.K! why in the world isnt Steve Ross opening up his check book to get some of these free agents that are out there??? Nnamdi Asomugha comes to mind why are we wasting so much time here?
     
  15. SeanP

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    Not to take a shot at you, but the fans can say a lot of things. There's a reason they're working as a systems analyst, construction worker, bartender, rocket scientist, and not a General Manager of an NFL Franchise.

    I'm not saying there aren't fans out there who aren't knowledgable. But the fact of the matter is they aren't professionals. If these fans are hitting on 100% of their predictions/requests, then why aren't they getting jobs within the NFL? If every person I wanted to draft for the dolphins when it was their turn up to bat became a star, you can bet I would be working my butt off to get in at the starting level of the NFL to work my way up to GM.
     
  16. Ricky'sBong

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    well one of the posters that I really enjoy talking football with on another site was a former D2 scout. if we follow your logic, why are people like Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper even paid attention to? why is CK and his two partners over on UniversalDraft taken seriously? why arent they working in the NFL? Matt Millen played in the NFL and also has held positions in it. hes a ******. so your logic can also go both ways I suppose.
     
  17. SeanP

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    But my point is not that there aren't people who are knowledgable out there. My point is that you can't say that the fans know this is the solution, etc etc. What I'm trying to say is I think you're oversimplifying it. If there are so many fans that can identify the needs of the FO, better than the FO, then why in the last 20 years has one of them not gone through the motions, and gotten a job within the organization to fix the problem?

    We've got a lot of very knowledgeable people on this forum, but even the best aren't privy to all of the information (Dr Reports, Scouting Reports, Interviews, Accounting, etc) that goes into what a GM has to account for when making a decision on player and personnel.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is we can all say "Yeah, I wanted that move, and in hindsight I would have made the right call." But I don't think there's anyone here that can say they would have banged out a 100% draft over the last 3 years, and probably only a handful whose choices would have been better than Ireland (without having the interview, scouting, and medical information to alter their opinion).
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    If it's the same one I sent you last week, then you can keep it.
     
  19. Ricky'sBong

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    not once have I suggested any fan would hit on 100% of picks. no one will. we know that. what I can tell you is certain posters who I know and trust when it comes to the draft were very adamant that Patrick Willis was the pick months PRIOR to that draft. This same guy was a broken record months PRIOR to the draft that Matt Ryan was the pick. When you go 1-15, hit rock bottom, havent had a QB since Marino, and then pass on one that many people were high on, how can I do any worse?

    speaking of Dr reports, I guess Ireland wasnt privy to the one concerning Jared Odrick.
     
  20. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Did he mention "pass happy"?

    Because I just took as we would be adding speed and an ability and willingness to go down field when we needed to..... oh and I'm pretty sure you're not the only genius that figured out we couldn't run the ball this season.

    And I doubt we take Cam Newton so relax. He may be injured anyway, that guy put an Earl Thomas type hit on him.
     
  21. Ricky'sBong

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    Cam Newton will strugle in the NFL. been saying that for months now. last nights game did nothing to change my mind.
     
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  22. Ozzy

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    Everything starts with running the football and playing sound defense. Thats the way to set things up. Then you go from there. There are some decent Wr's on this team already but the line and Rb's were horible.

    Fix the line, get a Rb first and then you can go after speed at wideout.

    The biggest problem is no one knows if Henne is not shot. Hopefully he's not but the last two seasons did him no good.
     
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  23. MarinePhinFan

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    Hindsight is 20/20.

    I don't remember many people talking up Ryan. I clearly remember, for the Dolphins, it was Jake Long or Chris Long. Ryan went to the first team that needed a QB. We had our "QB", remember?

    Look at the "greats". Marino- 27th pick and LAST QB taken in the 1st round. Jim Kelly- 14th overall. Joe Montana- 3rd round 82nd overall. And the list goes on and on... All were "missed". Ryan has surprised even his greatest proponents. No one was complaining about us not getting him during the 2008 season when we went 11-5.
     
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  24. Ricky'sBong

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    well, the site i was on had quite a different tune then. Chris Long was viewed as "maxed out " by many, and certainly not a 3-4 end type. People were worried if he was athletic enough to be an impact 3-4 OLB. I should put you in touch with a certain poster then. hes quite good at evaluating qb's. was banging the Matt Ryan drum for months PRIOR to that draft.
     
  25. Bpk

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    Funny, no one wants an owner who interferes... except when he's right. lol.
     
  26. Bpk

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    You mean Adam, yes?
     
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  27. Bpk

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    I could like with Malzahn at OC, Vince Young and Henne competing to start and bringing in a young QB like Ricky Stanzi with our 4th round pick to develop.

    And get us some explosive playmakers with the #1 and #3 picks. Use FA to get O-line (Mankins).
     
  28. MarinePhinFan

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    Of course there are people who hit the mark. It happens. Your friend doesn't happen to be a Boston College fan, does he? ;) lol...

    Anyhow, I wasn't wanting Chris Long either. Doesn't mean I'm some guru. Hell, in that same draft how many people passed up on Ray Rice, Joe Flacco, Matt Forte, DeSean Jackson, Pierre Garcon (to be fair I tihnk he's all because of Manning), Rashard Mendenhall...et etc etc?? Any of those guys would have made our team better.
     
  29. mbmonk

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    I am interest in why you quoted me yet didn't address any points of my post. You are obviously not addressing me. So why quote me?
     
  30. Bpk

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    I hope we get Gus Malzahn.
     
  31. jdang307

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    So he's now learned. Customers won't pay if the product sucks.
     
  32. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Here is my general objection to how Ross is handling this.

    First, it disrespects Sparano yet again. Sparano already had to deal with the Harbaugh situation. Secondly, Here Ross is going to the media about how he wants the team to look. Why couldn't he tell the to Sparano and Ireland how he wants the team to look and be done with it? Why go to the media? Why not have Sparano talk about how they are going to 'open it up' in one of his press conferences? Third, Talk is cheap anyways. Who you hire as OC, bring in as FA, and who you draft tells the real story. So why does Ross feel the need to go to the media with this? Lastly and most importantly, it's setting up Ross, not the head coach, as the point man of the franchise. Somewhat similar to Jones, Davis, and Snyder.

    I am not saying Ross has crossed the line, but his actions are moving in that direction which is a bit unsettling.

    How often do you hear about the Rooney family?

    PS: You can have a defensive, run first team, with a young QB and do well. See the NY Jets. I think they are selling tickets just fine.
     
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  33. dolfan22

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    Struggle?

    Like a 47.5 completion % his first year?

    Like a 22-23 td int number his third year?

    Like a 71.4 QB rating his sixth year?

    Struggle like that you mean?
     
  34. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    :) funny man.
     
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  35. bamadolphin

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    he cant read the zone blitz
     
  36. Dolphins1Beatles

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    I'm glad he opened his mouth. This team had flashes of a great offense in 2009, they need to get that back. It shouldn't be something that takes years, it can be done in one off-season if they do it right, there's already a good amount of talent. You need an exciting offense with some speed in Miami.
     
  37. vt_dolfan

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    Oh no doubt...

    AdamP was all over Ryans jock strap...he called Ryan no doubt way before the draft even started
     
  38. Ricky'sBong

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    nah, Alabama fan. but he knows his stuff, and has proven it many times over.
     
  39. flynryan151

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    Tedslimm Jr?
     
  40. MarinePhinFan

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    In 2008, when we went 11-5, our offense sucked. We were ranked somewhere around 25th in the league. This year we were worse, of course, at 30th. However, and most people don't realize this, in 2008 our defense was BETTER than the 2010 defense. In 2008 they were ranked 9th and this year finished at 14th.

    Our offense needs fixing, no doubt, but if we can get our defense into that top 5 or even top 10 level we won't have to have a Colts-style offense.
     

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