Is Cam Newton a run-first quarterback? I dunno. You tell me. I just watched his SEC Championship Game against South Carolina. He dropped back to pass on 31 snaps. Of those, he scrambled for positive yardage on 3 of the snaps, took no sacks. That's not run-first. That's not run-second or even run-fifth. That's run-tenth.
In all fairness he was walking with a noticeable limp. This undoubtedly affected how aggressive he was in his running. I think that the game was not a good example of how he's played throughout the year, but rather a showing of how he will have to play in the nfl.
You talking about the SEC Championship against South Carolina? I didn't see any noticeable limp nor did I see any weakness in his running skills. When it was a run play, he ran the ball. When it was a pass play, he passed it.
Sorry about that I totally read it wrong. On an unrelated note not sure if everyone has seen this, http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ton-reportedly-undergoes-x-rays-on-lower-back would a possible injury make people back off?
His first instinct against Oregon was to pull it down and run. On a side note, man was I impressed with that LB/DE Rowe in that game. He was all over Newton.
Seriously? You would take Vince Young if he didn't have the baggage? The guy is the worst passer in the NFL. Jeff Fisher had to dumb his offense down so much that it effected his team negatively. Don't think for one minute that Fisher is dumping him because of his mental instability. Fisher is dumping him because he sucks. Vince Young is a horrific quarterback. Cam Newton is the exact same. He has no feel for the pocket and can't read NFL defenses. He is just another in a long line of run first quarterbacks that get hyped up to no end, mostly because he is black, and just like all the other ones, he will end up flopping in the NFL.
Vick is the worst passer of the last ten years. Vince is the current worst passer in the NFL. Tarvaris Jackson is a better passer than Vince Young, and he's not much of a passer.
Like I said without the baggage, I have no proof that Newton is as mentally challenged as Vince Young. Also how has dumbing down the offense hurt the Titans? A 30 - 18 record with Vince Young as a starter v. 15 - 17 without him? To me that sounds like they are actually better with him running the offense.
KB I don't think I have seen anyone on this site who continuelly uses the color of a man's skin as a point of reference, any where close to you. It's sad that you can't make your point without doing so imo.
Vince Young also has a higher career winning percentage (starting) than Jeff Fischer does coaching. I seem to remember him hitting Britt and Washington on deep/intermediate patterns with some regularity.
In Miami, yes, because we are desperate. Would this be the case with a great team who had a starting QB, depth and good offense, though?
Agree on almost all of this, but have to add that Tebow did (does) have a very long stride in his throwing motion.
It means something that after the game he didn't blame his injury for anything, or try and play it up to make it a story. I watched his press conference afterward. He was dismissive about it. A member of the press thought it was a hit he took toward the end, the only clarification he gave about the injury was that it wasn't one hit, that he felt his "back go out" earlier in the game, but it wasn't a big deal.
Clearly the correct reply. But the answer is, some would if they were well stocked already and saw a good value. It's how Aaron Rogers came to be in Green Bay. Still, it's a good point. Only the desperate need to draft a QB to start in the first place. lol. Woe are we.
On passing merits alone, if I look at him in the first three games of the season, then I have him a little ahead of Jake Locker, which is not very high. On passing merits alone, if I look at him in the last three games of the season, then I have him nearly as high as Blaine Gabbert, who I've said I consider to be a little bit better prospect than Matt Stafford was coming out.
Didn't Green Bay get Aaron Rodgers at pick #24 or something like that? That's certainly not where Cam Newton would go if he declares.
Yes they did. As you'll recall we passed him up at #2 for Ronnie Brown because he was a "Tedford QB" or some other such nonsense.
As I recall the day of the Draft when word started to get out that Rodgers was going to fall down the board, the GMs were all telling Chris Mortenson that it was because they didn't like the tape of his deep ball throws, didn't feel he did enough of it at Cal and didn't like what what they saw when he did. That's why Gabbert reminds me a lot of Rodgers. As for the Tedford thing, yeah I imagine Joey Scaredyton really hurt Aaron Rodgers in that Draft. I never saw anything in games that made me think a Tedford guy doesn't make it as a pro, though. Tedford guys tend to hold the ball high, so what?
The buzz about Rodgers at the time was he had concerns/issues and yes the Tredford comment was bandied about. Initially he was seen as a high , high first round pick that started to lose luster , then slid on draft day. Rodgers got time to develop , but I think the key point is we need to realize a lot of great players had question marks or concerns. Very few if any perfect prospects. The key of course is identifying the right ones.
1 Pro: He has tremendous upside and athletic ability. 1 Con: We probably won't be able to afford him, even after the 1st round.
IMO the key with Rodgers was that he had time to learn on the bench. If he had been drafted by SF or Miami he most likely would have fared no better than Alex Smith did.
Agreed. Cooking up a great QB is like making a souffle, if you rush it then it collapses. Seriously, how many top ten draft QBs got screwed up by bad staffs and bad teams with no OLine or poor receivers. My guess is, quite a few. Though the absolute worst teams are too stupid to pick a QB in the first round anyways. Seethe Detroit Lions under Matt Millen. The minute Millen leaves they take Stafford and things are beginning to improve an look good or the future there as Stafford matures. I'm not sure I like this regime getting to try a new QB in their 'prove it' year. It'll have to be a vet because they'd rush a rookie. And ruin him.
The Lions took Joey Harrington at #3 overall in 2002 under Millen. Then in 2007 he used a 2nd round pick on Drew Stanton. It's not like he never used a 1st round pick on a QB. And yea, they took Stafford in 2009, but he's managed to play in all of 13 games in 2 years despite having the starting job from game 1.
