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Dolphins in final 4 for CFL wr

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    8 teams looked at him, we are in the Final 4, opinions vary a bit on him as his physical talent is immense, he is raw as a technical Wr.

    Hope we land him as some folks who study players really like his skillset.
     
  2. R&R_Express

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    we were also looking into chad owens (Toronto Argonauts’ WR/KR) but he looks to be going to the jets
     
  3. HardKoreXXX

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    Almost looks like a poor man's Brandon Marshall. Not very fast, but a big guy. Possession Receiver. What Patrick Turner should have been.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    4.4 guy coming out of Alcorn State:

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=86629&draftyear=2009&genpos=WR

    Watched plenty of Manny A in the CFL, his hands are inconsistent, but when he does catch the ball he can make things happen, does well on end arounds and as my sigpic suggests, he has some hops.
     
  5. Silverphin

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    He runs a 4.4? Sign him up.
     
  6. HardKoreXXX

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    Maybe it's just that big field they play on, but in his highlight video his speed doesn't really show up.

    Only other thing I notice is that his cuts aren't very good. Every field I saw in the video was artificial turf. You should be breaking ankles on that surface, yet more times than not he was brought down pretty easily.
     
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    Where is Rickysbong he knows the CFL guys pretty well. I want to know can he return kicks and punts?
     
  8. Dorfdad

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    What does ROSS think?
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    One of the problems the BC Lions Wr had was rarely did they catch the ball in stride in 2010, the Qb play was to terrible for most of the season, once they got that straightened out (Travis Lulay played Qb and the Cowboys were interested in him) he led all CFL Wr's in receptions and yds in the playoffs (12 for 189) and probably led them in Yds over the last 4 games.
     
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  11. GMJohnson

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    We're already lead the league in UDFA WRs and TE's. Henne must be thrilled.
     
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  12. padre31

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    Fitzpatrick beat us with a Wr corps made up entirely of UDFA's and a 7th rd pick, their running back was a ex AFLer, and Fitz himself was a late rd pick.
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    What does that have to do with anything?
     
  14. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Excellent point, Sir. Though, IMO, Fitz took advantage of our total inability to make plays on the ball, not the skill of his WRs. They were blanketed most of the day, they just caught the ball anyway b/c our secondary was doing, well, I have no clue what they were doing. Dansby had a ball go right through him for a TD. Vontae allowed long completions on two plays where he was in great position, Smith dropped another INT and was in good position but failed to knock down what turned out to be the winning score. Credit Fitz for his guts, but if we make those (routine) plays, we win the game. Either that or it's all Henne's fault.

    Besides, if we want to be like the Bills, then lets do what they're doing. If we don't wanna be like the Bills, let's try something different. I'm thinking we bring in Santonio Holmes, Brad Smith, James/Jacoby Jones, Early Doucet, proven guys who can step in and make plays. We already have two developmental guys on the roster and they both need a lot more work. Do we really want another build from scratch WR? I hope not.
     
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  15. GMJohnson

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    Did you see the Cleveland game? Chicago? Buffalo? Detroit? NE? Its tough to throw the ball when you have a bunch or practice squad WRs/TEs, a young QB, and no running game. Either that or Henne sucks.

    IMO if we want to improve the passing game, we need to stop digging thru garbage dumps, bite the bullet, and spend some $ on guys who can play NOW, not 3 years from now.
     
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  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I did watch the game, why not bring in more talent?

    Also, last year, Henne did suck.
     
  17. GMJohnson

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    I haven't see the guy play. But I doubt he's ready to come into the NFL and solve our WR needs. 9 outta 10 he's a guy who'll need a year or 3 to learn the game before he can be a consistent contributor. Same as Wallace and Moore. I don't see why we need all of these wait and see WRs when our offense is crying out for guys who can make plays RIGHT NOW. Here's a list of the FA Wrs for 2010 http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/wr.html. There are guys on that list who can come in and make a difference, that's where we need to be looking. We have enough scratch and sniff WRs already.

    Blame Henne all you want. But I see that Henning was on the first bus outta Davie. And Ross wasn't flying out to Cali to meet with a new QB, was he? Our problems go way past "Henne sucks".
     
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  18. padre31

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    http://www.youtube.com/user/81plays

    http://www.youtube.com/user/81plays#p/u/1/UFdIEBuz6qM

    Manny, to my mind GM went to professional football player JUCO, he has a nice size/speed combination and he makes plays, with no UDFA process this Draft landing Manny A would be an early start on our Draft.

    Some feel he would be a high draft pick as in a #2 or #3, some feel he should be treated like a Wr from one of the smaller western NCAA conferences, showed lots of promise but would be a #5 or #6 pick in the draft if he were coming out this yr.
     
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  19. padre31

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    And you know there will be a free agency period this yr..how?
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Could be a replacement for Moore who, imo was a disappointment.

    I am not blamming Henne for all the problems, however he did suck. You want to make this into a personal thing about Henne, that is your decision. He did not play well and made bad decisions.

    If Henne played like a good quarterback Henning still has a job and Ross doesn't make a trip. Good quarterback play would have at least kept the offense decent.
     
  21. GMJohnson

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    I BELIEVE!!!

    [video=youtube;z6UTxKKhqfk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6UTxKKhqfk[/video]
     
  22. GMJohnson

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    Moore was an UDFA WR, what was he supposed to do as a rookie? 1000yds and 8 TDs? He should've never seen the field. He belongs on the practice squad, not on the field being counted on to make plays late in the season, b/c he wasn't ready for that. Just like Henne is still a developing QB, he shouldn't be asked to carry the offense without a running game or a staple of play makers at the skill spots. You seem to think that a QB can "play well" regardless of who he's playing with or against, that's just not how it works.
     
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  23. Da 'Fins

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    That link in NFL draft scout lists his 40 at 4.58. With a high of 4.67 and a low of 4.50. Then there is another nebulous item below that has him at 4.50.

    He looks more like a project worth considering. But, hard to know what to think, long term. It also says on that link that he had a tryout with both the Dolphins and the Jets in December but neither signed him. Any info on that?
     
  24. padre31

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    Oh simple faith, where have ye gone?

    :lol:

    BTW GM, my browser does not show Youtube vids in posts...

    And "if" you are not happy with Marlon Moore, though I am, wouldn't it make sense to go after a more developed Wr like Manny A? We only have so many draft choices and they will have to be coached up, Manny A has two yrs of pro experience over anyone we can draft and he frees draft picks for other areas.

    As Sparano said in 09 in re Cam Wake "sometimes you get these CFL players and it's like they have been in Community College and are more developed than someone in the draft"
     
  25. padre31

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    He tried out for 8 teams in total, and tbh I've forgotten everyone whom he tried out for, but it is in the CFL to NFL thread, and the deal with CFLers is they cannot be signed until the NFL regular season ends.

    Dallas
    Nola
    Seachickens
    Bears
    Vikes
    Dolphins
    Jets

    4 playoff teams in the mix.


    As for the 40 times, Ck straightened me out on that one, 4.50 was the highest of the 40's he ran if he pops in he can explain it as a 4.50 and 4.67 is a huge disparity, but he was a track man in college so he is much faster than a 4.67.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    he was supposed to catch the ball when the ball hit his hands. Just because someone is an UDFA does not mean they shouldn't see the field. Bess is a great example of that. Moore showed good promise during preseason when it came to getting open and running routes. Unfortunately when the s hit the h he ended up dropping the ball. I expected a good 20 catches or so with that situation. Any decent wide receiver should have gotten that.

    That is a HUGE stretch and horrible use of logic. I do not think a QB can "play well" regardless of who he's playing with or against. However I also do not think I need to make the entire offense look worse than what it was to make the QB not look like he played horrible. I do think quarterbacks could have some pocket awareness, make good decisions and have good ball placement, which Henne showed a huge problem with. Did not watch a good quarterback struggle with a bad offense. I saw a poor quarterback holding the offense back. He does have some positives that can improve, I am not for dumping him, however I am not going to put blinders on and create a situation where the offense is worse than it was to make the QB look good.
     
  27. HardKoreXXX

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    That makes sense. When I watched his Youtube video, I was shocked when Pads said he was 4.4. Must have been wind-aided :lol:
     
  28. Ricky'sBong

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    if you want a return man, go check out Yonas Davis sp? of the Lions as well. more quick than fast Id say but very dangerous return guy. Padre, are you in Vancouver or just a Lions fan?
     
  29. GMJohnson

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    I'm not going to hijack Pads thread. He wanted to talk WRs so that's what I'm here to do. Hopefully we can continue the Henne discussion a more appropriate thread.

    As for Moore, agree to disagree. Neither he nor Wallace are NFL ready WRs . They only played b/c of injury and how bad our other WRs are. There are ALOT of things to think about as a WR. Where to lineup, snap count, play call, route, is it zone or man, is it 2 or 3, is the DB outside or inside, is he at 4 yds or 8, is he squatting or bailing, where/when do I stem, where/when do I break my route off? If those things aren't coming to you naturally, instinctively, then trust me, its a lot harder to "catch the ball" than you might think. Bess was an exception b/c he knew all about coverages and route concepts before he ever hit the NFL, his quickness and COD ability makes him an natural in the slot, where he faces LBs and Nickel guys. Playing flanker or split end is a whole different animal.

    IMO, you have wildly inflated expectations of what young developmental players should be able to do vs established NFL vets and high draft picks.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    wallace showed very bad hands consistently allseason long..nervous hands..
     
  31. padre31

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    BC fan..roar you Lions..roar..:lol:

    Yonus Davis is Stefan Logan jr, though he maybe is a better running back than Logan.

    I'd think we both would agree that Manny A is a big play waiting to happen, he is also a dropped ball waiting to happen.
     
  32. GMJohnson

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    Catching the ball is the easiest part. But like you said, when you're nervous and thinking about other things, you often fail to finish the play. Again, neither he nor Moore were ready IMO, they need another year or 2 on the PS.

    The play in Cincinnati was LOL funny. Ran out of bounds, came back in, dropped a perfect ball, in the end zone. Pure suckage. Don't think he saw the field for a looong time after that.
     
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  34. padre31

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    Well now, I guess we are in a contest for his services..
     
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    http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/cfl/2011/01/05/arceneaux_nfl/
     
  36. Ricky'sBong

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    Im not sure how Manny will far in the NFL. As I mentioned before, I really liked when the Lions would hit him on crossing routes and let him outrun LB's or smash into db's. With the wider CFL field he was quite good at it. Not sure how he would fare in the NFL, but hes certainly worth a look. Agree on Davis. Hes more sturdy than Logan, at least looks it.
     
  37. padre31

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    Interesting time Bro, before Wake no ex CFL DE had 14 sacks when coming from the CFL (Dexter Manley did go to the CFL back in the day).

    No Wr has left the CFL for the NFL and has had much of an impact, way back when Terry Grier won both a Grey Cup and a SB, so in a way Manny A is plowing new ground for CFL Wr's.

    Enjoyed watching Manny A when they needed a huge play during their improbable playoff push he was "the guy".

    As for if he can make the jump, put SS24 on him in TC and see what he can do, I suspect he'll do fine, but I've been wrong before..ya know?
     
  38. Ricky'sBong

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    I really hate the running start for wr's in the CFL. To me thats a massive adjustment going to the NFL.
     
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    Yep, though Manny A did bust out 21 reps at his workout, which means he won't be manhandled by Db's.

    Interesting though, both Wake and Manny play on the edge, not in the pits of the lines, which makes their attempts more about speed and quickness than power and size.
     
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    If this is true, then what is your excuse regarding the first 3 games of 09 with Penny at QB? So the 5 or 6 other times that Henning was fired was also b/c of his QBs and owners?
     

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