Ex cowboy scout says dolphins made mistake going with left tackle over qb.

This artice deserves the Duh! of the decade.

 

No kidding. How Ryan made the Pro Bowl roster and Rogers didn't is ludicrous. It is clear Rogers is head and shoulders better than Ryan!

 

Lacewell shoul'dve been fired LONG before he was able to retire. Only reason he was'nt is cause he was another "Yes man" to Jerra.

Ireland's work speaks for itself. ZERO problems with us picking Jake Long over Matty "Splice". Zero problems.

 

Another interesting stat they just said a few minutes ago, the Falcons have the least 20 yard plus plays in the NFL this year.

I didn't like Ryan coming out, I will admit he has been good, but lets not go overboard with the guy.

 

We had 49 such plays. 44 passes, 5 runs.

Atlanta had 44 20+yd plays. 32 passes, 12 runs.


More reference-
2009:
Atlanta had 56 20+ yd plays. 39 passes, 17 rushes.
Miami had 38 20+yd plays. 29 passes, 9 rushes.


So we actually became more explosive on offense (arguably), while Atlanta got worse (again, arguably).

 

Wow...I have never seen a QB do a Butt-Face like Ryan just did as he fumbled the football?

 

They call that the Bob Kraft to Roger Goodell.

 

When I’m right, I’m right.

 

fixed

 

Fixed again.

I’m allowed to have a little fun here.

 

Yeah we know, the Dolphins have made a lot of mistakes in the past 10-15 years. They also picked Cam Cameron over Mike Tomlin as coach in 2007...yeah, good choice, that really worked out well, for the Steelers.

 

Besides the fact hindsight being 20/20, that pick represented a season's worth of 1-15 humiliation, suffered by an entire fandom.
Rarely does a pick reflect such cost, and Parcells was not about to gamble our collective investment, on any "promising" talent.

He wanted absolute, guaranteed value, and at that point in time, so did I. Long served Penny well his rookie year, and making the playoffs
at least helped mend the 07 gashing. I don't look back on that selection with any regret.

 

Tomlin is a red herring for this board. Is he a better head coach than Cam Cameron? Sure. Would he have the same success here that he does in Pittsburgh? Nope. Tomlin inherited a well-stocked team headed up by a Hall of Fame quarterback. He added some linebackers, got an above average running back in Rashard Mendenhall, and he lets them play. A big red mark against Tomlin, in my view, is that he still hasn’t fixed the Steelers’ OL.

 

After seeing what Ryan did tonight I am happy we took Jake Long who has been a Pro Bowl LT every year as a Phin.

 

Weren't sure you were capable......outside of playing with anime figures of course.

 

Love how you soothsayers just assume someone wouldn't have any success elsewhere...... the fact is, you're guilty of the same speculation as those you're arguing with.

Hasn't fixed the Steelers OL?

He doesn't draft the players.......

The Steelers did find a center tho....

 

Someone’s in a bad mood tonight.

So you’re saying he would have walked onto the 2007 Dolphins and had comparable success to the 2007 Steelers?

Absolutely true, Kevin Colbert is the GM. But after four years, you’d think Tomlin would have agitated enough for Colbert to do more with that offensive line. IIRC, since 2007, the Steelers have drafted two guards—neither of whom is starting—and one center, Pouncey. They’ve been content to re-sign the guys who’ve been there since Cowher, with Flozell Adams being one of the rare free agency acquisitions they’ve made.

Either Colbert and Tomlin think that the OL is being made to look worse than it really is by Roethlisberger’s extending plays, or they think the unit is just fine. Either way, they certainly haven’t done much with the unit over the last four years.

 

not sure Ryan is overrated. I havent heard anyone say he's in the same class as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a good QB who's probably ranked around 12 overall after three years. Years 4-6 are usually the years where QBs learn to win in the playoffs which is a different animal then the regular season. Big Ben and Brady are the exceptions not the rule. He's playing as well if not the best of any QB drafted since 2006 and continues to improve each year. What more can you ask.

 

That’s a pretty reasonable view. But lately popular opinion seems to be that we made a dramatic, franchise-killing mistake by not taking Ryan. I’d like to draft him if we could re-do 2008, but we’re not screwed because we passed on him. Not trading up for Flacco, passing on Brees, and drafting Ronnie over Rodgers are all bigger gaffes, IMO.

 

i agree that its not a franchise killing mistake. if anything today's games showed me that we shouldnt give up on henne even more. flacco and ryan made the same type of bonehead mistakes that henne made this year but are surrounded by better teams. granted i think ryan and flacco are still better than henne but i dont think the distance is as great as it might appear. I actually think the distance between flacco and henne is pretty small, a bit larger when it comes to ryan.

also on rodgers, i'm not sure this fan base wouldve been patient enough with him. remember he wouldnt have been sitting on the bench behind favre for years if he was here and i'm not sure he was ready to go right away. we mightve eaten him alive and forced ownership to cut or trade him in our never ending quest for a franchise QB LOL

 

Tomlin is obviously better HC material than Cameron was and at the very least he may have kept this team from imploding to 1-15.... that being said, he was lucky we didn't want him. He ended up with a much better job.... and I've seen a lot of Steelers games and have never been under the impression that he was clueless out there, like Cam and the Fister.



And I agree about the OL for the Steelers........ my buddy is a Steelers fan and I've been asking him for years what was up with ignoring the OL. My guess is that they have relied on Big Ben's ability to extend plays, ignored the need and just used their resources elsewhere..... however, Pouncey is a nice addition. We could only dream of having a center like that right now.

As far as Tomlin ignoring it?.....who knows, my guess is he's much more concerned with keeping that defense fine tuned as the league's top unit.

 

i would kill for Pouncey. Imagine him as our center instead of Berger. We might have been able to run the ball this year if he was our center

 

Agreed. Tomlin is a good coach, has a handle on the team. I’m just saying that he has a pretty easy job considering the situation he walked in to. Almost like Barry Switzer, except a. with a clue, and b. his own success.

I think Roethlisberger gets a bad rap on the topic of his mobility. My interpretation of his play is that he has to move out because no one’s open or because there’s pressure breathing down his neck. He could learn to throw the ball away more, but he does a good job of picking up yards with his feet. Still, for all his mobility, that OL does a pretty poor job of keeping him on his feet. Wasn’t there one game last year where he was sacked about 8 times? UNREAL. (Thanks, Stringer Bell.)

Isn’t he pretty hands-off with the defense? He’s a Tampa 2 guy, so my impression is that LeBeau gets nearly free reign. It would be good for the Steelers’ future if Tomlin had a big hand in that defense, considering how it plays now and the prospect of LeBeau eventually retiring.

Still, the defense is pretty well stocked, and has been for a while. The franchise QB needs more protection than he’s getting. Maybe the two Super Bowl wins have led the front office to think that they don’t need to fix the OL, because they’re winning in spite.

 

AND?
If my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle.
What would we have had to give up to get Pouncy?
I'd rather have Nick Mangold.

 

just remember that oline is very banged up in the tackle department. Max Starks and Willie Colon are on IR and Flozell Adams was on the bench for much of the game today

Jonathan Starks and whoever was starting (Tony Hill?) at the other OT spot werent the plan

 

how do you know your aunt doesnt have balls? have you checked? lol. nah you're right, he went before we picked IIRC and we needed Misi. If we could trade Odrick for Pouncey I would do that in a heartbeat though.

 

I’m not going off the way they looked tonight. They’ve been struggling for the last few seasons, and the front office keeps bringing the same guys back.

In a way, that unit makes Roethlisberger even more impressive: he’s succeeding despite playing behind swiss cheese.

 

yeah i agree. big ben really impressed me this year. in a way more than his SB years.

 

It's hard to say why they've largely ignored the OL other than acquiring Pouncey...... like I said, it's been something I've noticed and discussed the past few seasons. Again, I just think they have relied on Big Ben to compensate for it...which I agree, is a bad idea.

Speaking of bad ideas, I won't ever forgive them for letting the Jets have Holmes for a 5th..... that just kills me.

 

He won a super bowl behind swiss cheese. I don't know how that team gets it done with such a ****tastic offensive line but they've been doing it for years. Its not fair.

 

And if your uncle had a vagina you wouldn't be here.

J/k.

 

Nice post. Insightful, even for you AP.

You could've put Ryan in a #7 Phins jersey today and he would've looked just like the Hyde Henne. (That's not a bash on Chad)

Here's "Checkdown Chad" compared to the other young QBs and a few in the playoffs:
1st I used the % of completions to all backs (IE: what % of his total completions went to RBs and FBs)
2nd- total % of completions to backs & TEs combined.
3rd- number of WRs in top 3 catches on team.
4th- highest any RB on team places in receptions

Bradford:17.8% backs.. 37% backs&TEs....... 2/3...... 3rd
Brady: 18.4% backs..... 47% backs&TEs....... 2/3...... 5th
Rodgers: 19% backs.... 35% backs&TEs....... 3/3...... 5th
Roeth: 19.5% backs .....38% backs&TEs........2/3...... 5th

Ryan: 20.2% backs..... 44% backs&TEs...... 1/3..... 3rd
Henne: 21.8% backs.... 34% backs&TEs....... 3/3...... 5th

Freeman: 22.8% backs..51% backs&TEs......1/3..... 3rd
Sanchez: 27% backs....46% backs&TEs...... 2/3..... 4th

Vick: 30.5% backs....... 45% backs&TEs........2/3.......1st
Flacco: 31.8% backs.... 49% backs&TEs...... 2/3... .2nd,
Rivers: 35.4% backs.... 58% backs&TEs....... 1/3 ......1st

Henne wasn't too terribly bad checking down compared to everyone else, however when including TEs & Backs, Henne has the lowest completion total to them. Our receivers are also one of two on the list to have WRs listed as their top 3 pass catchers. I'll make a full thread on this tomorrow since my abmien is calling for my brain as we speak. arriba doucheie

 

Wow, Ryan might be a fine young QB, but he showed he has a lot to learn yet last night. Rodgers was head and shoulders better than Ryan was. Now, there were 21 other players on the Falcons that decided not to show up, but Ryan wasn't good enough to bring along those other guys....

One game doesn't define a career, but they apparently and according to all the media, had all the tools they needed to be going to the SB....someone for got to tell Aaron Rodgers and the Packers tho....

 

If they are not proof that QB is more important than the line I don't know what is.

 

And our TEs had nothing to do with this ?? Stats are great for making a point and just as good for tearing down a point. I don't see the correlation that Henne is a poor QB (or a good one) due to his checkdown ability or lack thereof. We have, at best a weak OL and one of the worst TEs in the league... The backs were consistently asked to chip and block to provide protection (that didn't work very well) and Fasano was mediocre at best. The WRs were adequate but there was no deep threat to be found. The staff browbeat Henne into being a Pennington clone so badly that he seems to have forgotten what he was prior to Penny coming on board. Most importantly, the OL has not gotten the job done. That's not the QBs fault. Henne gets all the blame for this offense when there were multiple factors. Then add in the Jekyl-Hyde play calling from the old man, it's a wonder we scored at all....

Todd, thank you for work you put into this post and I'm not belittling any point you are trying to make, but sometimes it's simply a case of too many stats to prove too little...not your fault...fact.

 

I blame Ireland for not offering a 4th.

 

Of % of passes attempted that traveled 10yds or less in the air the league average was like 65% I believe (most everyone was between 62-69%). Henne, Bradford, and Brady all had %'s over 70% (and maybe Sanchez?). I don't recall the exact #s (I posted in another thread a few weeks ago about this), but only Bradford and Brady had a higher % of passes going 10yds or less.

The two QBs who really bucked the trend were Rivers and Vick who were well under the 65% average. I think both may have been under 60%. I think it's obvious watching those two that they do push it downfield a lot.