As of today I am leaning towards drafting Pouncey or Julio Jones. Pouncey would address our biggest need and Jones would be a BPA type of pick. Ingram doesnt excite me but I could live with it. Also I'm not completely opposed to Ryan Mallett though it wouldnt be my preference at this time
If he ends up behind an interior line that misses blocks, he'll learn to dance faster than Jason Taylor on Dancing with the Stars.
IMO you nailed it then. I was just looking at some highlights the last couple of days since his name is often mentioned with Miami in mock drafts and I kept thinking he looked like a former player. l checked out some old Florida stuff of Smith, and its like a mirror image. To my novice eye all he needs is a little strength training (don't they all), a little more coaching (needs to get a touch lower), develop that spin move and he's the NFL Smith without the long career.
Chad Greenway is gonna take care of my defensive fix..If I cant get him I look at Dqwell Jackson... Unless Misi is being moved inside, i'am not taking an outside linebacker... Ingram is the pick if we dont trade down.,our offense needs his skillset...our defense needs his skillset..our fanbase needs him.
What I find a touch amusing about the "take an Offensive linemen" line of thinking is that it does not consider the complaining, *****ing, and moaning that some dolfans engage in over the Long over Ryan choice in 08, eegads I'd prefer a Defensive back be drafted over yet another ***** fest about "we needed playmakers and they took an offensive lineman".
Pouncey is a monster and would make an immediate impact at G. I wouldn't be surprised if we took him at 15, especially with the way Sparano likes versatility on the line.
Yeah but you can't draft a position for the sake of drafting it. This regime failed in their logic for taking Long, because they thought taking a QB that high was too huge a risk. That's what made it the wrong pick. They went safe. Had they chose Long simply because they thought he was the better prospect, and weren't sold on Ryan, that would be a different story.
How do you know that the latter wasn't the case? I'm seriously asking because maybe I missed some bit of disclosure from the front office that pointed you to say that. I was always under the impression that they had more confidence in Jake being an outstanding player than Ryan.
There were numerous reports that the Dolphins passed on Ryan in large part because of the money, that they were afraid to pay a QB that much as it likely would've been the highest a rookie had ever made at that time. They weren't willing to take the risk. I'm not knocking Jake Long by any means. He's the best LT in the game. And hell, Ryan could have been a total flop. here under this regime. But that was said quite often and I'll look for articles but I'm pretty sure Parcells confirmed it.
I like Ingram a great deal. Think he will be a really solid back who has great potential (depending on the team, he's at minimum a Ray Rice, maybe better). That said, the RB position is so fraught with short-lived careers and the fact that good RB's are often found later - plus it is easier for a RB to jump in and play right away - I don't think RB should be a focal point in round 1. The Pouncey pick is boring but I disagree with Padre. Pouncey has great size, improved his snaps, and could play C or G, imo. If he is like his brother, we would have two OL positions (either way, with OG or OC) completely solidified for the next 10 years. And, if Jerry can improve, that would be three. The OL play was atrocious this year. I am fully aware of the need for explosiveness. But there aren't really many explosive skill position players. AJ Green will be long, long gone. The WR position (with Blackmon staying put) in terms of an explosive player at 15 is empty. Same with RB. There might be one that after looking at more film will start to come alive, but not a #15 pick. Just look at the available players at offensive skill positions with #15. There are no gamebreakers in the first round (Later rounds, we have some chances to pick up speed, but could lose a number of speed / skill position players without that 2nd round pick). I would be interested in trading down to get an extra pick somewhere. However, when you look at the teams drafting after us in round 1, there aren't any teams that have an extra second to swap. There simply is not a scenario that fits like last year. In that regard, unless we go QB, the Pouncey pick is about the most rational pick. If we could pick up an extra 3rd and move down a few slots and still get Pouncey, that would be ideal, imo. That would give us more chances at picking up a 2nd tier RB and WR speed later on. That said, I actually like our young WR's if they work hard (esp. the 4-5 players. They need marked improvement, but the potential is there to develop, imo). Would be good to add another speedster in the mix - A Mike Wallace type.
So then doubling up on "going safe' would be the right move? Maybe, for me, I'd take Ingram or even Von Miller before I'd go Oline at #15, we need impact talent, and Sparano has to earn his pay with the Oline, any dolt can load up a Oline with high picks and create a good unit we do not have the resources to allow for such non performance on Sparano's part..imho. Besides, we need another pure passrusher for the Defense, it cannot just be ignored or left to chance or the unit could fall back while the offense improves, we have 7 draft picks, use the other 6 on offense.
Don't sleep on Demarco Murray in the 2nd/3rd round. I really think he could be just as special as Ingram in the NFL. Both have injury/durability concerns.
There's a difference between playing it safe and throwing caution to the wind. What QB will be there at #15 worth taking? Unless we trade up (not likely), the chances of landing a guy like Gabbert or Newton aren't very good. Ryan Mallet (whom I'm not a fan of) may even be gone. If Pouncey is there, you solidify the O-Line so that when you do land your (hopefully) franchise QB he's not on his ***. That, and I'm still not convinced this regime can develop a QB. Maybe Daboll will help. He's gotten high praise and looked like he was doing well with McCoy. Who knows.
We have a number of questions on the OL. Will we keep Ingognito, who did play well? Will Carey play back to form? Will Jerry develop into a solid starter? Is Garner a starter or a great back up? Coaches answers will dictate where we go. I really like Pauncey but, there are a number of FA G's out there who are better or, will be for a year or two. I do not see FA RB's anywhere near as close in talent and depth. Taking a RB in the 1st round is not normally advisable. As many have said, you can get one in the later rounds. However, for this team, at this time, I want our best chance at a consistent RB who will be at least VG. Ingram does fit this team's biggest need now, and will take no time to develop. IMO, he helps Henne, the OL, and our WR's. Let's not forget the coaches who can ill afford a project pick. I'm thinking we can still trade down, and end up with Ingram. Is that just wishful thinking?
with some of the players that have decided to stay, I dont believe there is any chance of moving down...
I believe an increased pass rush will come from within. Nolan has had a year to work with these guys, see their talents, and should now be able to put them in better positions to make plays. I ecpect more from Starks, Dansby, Lnanford, Merling, and Odrick coming back. Misi will be stronger and smarter. I will bet that he doubles his sacks to 9. JMHO.
Is Pouncey in any sense a game changing player? WE have a Top 15 pick..again..it would be sorta nice to have something to show for it other than yet another Yugo Olinemen, we need game changers on both sides of the ball not just another "good consistent lineman". The more I consider it, that will be my official pre Draft 2011 position, Sparano's anal retentive self will just have to make do with some linemen he has coached up, we need some ballers. Unless of course we have a sort of quasi CFL draft of Owens/Hunt/Arceneaux..KR/DE-OLB/Wr.
I tend to agree with you DJ, at least for now. We know that a player or two is gonna WOW some team at the combine, and that a player or two is gonna drop for character issues. It could happen. Either way, Ingram is my pick. He is the best available option for this team.
I don't think there are lot of ppl that think Pouncey is going to be a center in the NFL. I think most ppl see him as a guard. Persoanlly, love the guy. I would be very happy with that pick BUT only after a trade down. As much as I like him I think he can be had lower then the 15th over all pick. Picking Ingram at 15 would be a total waste. The guy is going to be a nice NFL RB but he is not what we need as far as we don't need another grinder. Besides you can find those guys later in the draft.
Agree with Pouncey comment and the RB comment and the TE comment... lol I dont think there is a TE with 1st round value is there? I think they are going to have to address that via FA.
I agree we need speed but I would not have a problem with OL in the first round... not even at 15 for the right RT.
Does that mean the Dolphins take a QB just for the sake of taking a QB? What if there are no 1st round type QB's available? do you just reach? IMO, the only QB I would take is Gabbert and the FIns are going to have to move up to get him. The Fins dont have the ammo to move up this year. Not a fan of Mallett, Locker or Cam... not at 15.
100X? man I dont know... personally, I like Pouncey better BUT as of right now I think I agree with you that they are both 2nd rounders (late first)
You must be his agent then, how much is RB asking for? I sure haven't heard any numbers. All I have seen from him is a guy who would like to be back. Seems to be a good teamate. To be Paid, you have to perform pretty well. I think he would sign for a fair deal, since he hasn't been on fire. Then we could just get another RB to replace Ricky in the later rounds.
I Think That What we all really want inside is to Move Down in the draft i say draft down to the late 20s regain our 2nd pick and use a Late 1st on A Rb(If We Get Mankins) or Pouncey/Wie-whatever from Penn State
No. You decide which QB or QB's you like and you do what it takes to acquire them. You may only like Gabbert but perhaps the team feels differently. If they like Newton or Mallett and believe they are franchise QB's you move up to get them and you do basically whatever it takes. If you don't, we'll simply be sitting here one year from now after another 7-9 win season having this same conversation. Except next year it will be "We can't get Luck and I don't like Barkley/Foles, etc., let's wait till next year" The time is right now.
I don't know about Pouncey as a C or G; and I definitely don't agree about Hartline. But I agree 100% that the TE position has been criminally neglected under this administration. I wouldn't be the least bit unhappy if we doubled up and took Kyle Rudolph and Luke Stocker in consecutive rounds; say, 2 and 3 if we managed to re-acquire a 2. But I don't see anyone at the position worthy of the 15th pick.
The problem here is that there aren't teams that are likely to do that. Last year, we got a 2nd rounder by trading from #12 to #28, and that was only b/c the team we traded with had an extra 2nd rounder. But, there aren't many teams below us (except the Patriots as I recall - and they don't need to make that trade) that have a great deal of flexibility in terms of trading. I think the best we get is a trade down a few spots for an extra 3rd rounder. It's easy to say, "Let's trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder!" But one has to have realistic trade partners.
That is the problem in a toto, we have 1 pick in the first 64, we have easily 3 needs, at this point we would be as well served going BPA and making do via competition in Camp otherwise one hole is plugged, say Left Guard, but 2 at least remain. That is why I've banging the CFLer drum as at least they should be ahead of the usual Rook learning Curve.
Always gone by the name Gitrdone. Define knew? Been here and on that other board for years, but name has always been spelled this way.
if the front office decides not to go with a QB with our 1st pick they should go with Pouncey @ Center then pick their QB & Guard from free-agency or in trade using their next pick of the draft on a RB, then a TE our destruction began in the trenches our redemption will begin in the trenches our priorities should be: 1) QB 2) Center 3) Guard 4) RB 5) TE I think Kiper & McShay may be on to something, if Sparano will figure it out is another question to be answered.
