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Heath Evans slams Daboll hire

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Muck, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    well lets hope thats true.
     
  2. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

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    This is my thing too. People tend to improve in their careers as they do it more. Not all the time, but most of the time.

    Now, I don't like the Daboll hire at all. I'm not going to lie, but Heath Evans and his opinion mean nothing to me.
    I don't care if he's from Florida or not.
     
  3. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

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    What did you expect him to say? Did you expect him to lay out his whole offense?

    If he's smart, and god I hope he is....You won't get a sniff of it until the first game of the RS.
     
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  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, for me, just allow the guy a opportunity to show what he can do, that is what bothered me in all of this.

    One thing I'm not wild about is Daboll has no "his" type of Qb, that is one of the advantages to a WCO OC Qb's are fairly standard.
     
  5. krypto

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    Just....corny....:loser:
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    First of all, the brains of the Patriots operation has been and will continue to be Belichick. Daboll was no more the brains of the operation than other assistant. I also question how much Evans worked directly with Daboll, when he was a running back and Daboll coached WRs. Therefore was he even anymore qualified than any of us to make such a comment? Using the pupil/teacher comparison that someone else mentioned. It could be taken a step further. For example, a school has two science teachers, and Pupil X in the class of science teacher A, but has the impression science teacher B isn't the brains behind the school's science dept.

    Also I recall there being some hard feelings toward the Dolphins on the part of Evans after he got released. Could be still some hard feelings considering he's from the area and grew up a fan of the team. Granted, if he does have any negatives feelings still, they should be just directed toward Nick Saban if anyone.

    Bottom line, we got Daboll now, and it does me no good to gnash my teeth and wail lamentations over his hiring. Being an open minded person, I prefer to keep an open mind when it comes to Daboll and give him some time in his role as our OC before making any judgments on his ability.
     
  7. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

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    At the end of the day there is no other choice but wait and see. My opinion and your opinion
    means jack crap. The die is cast, and, we'll have to see what the end result is. Ultimately,
    I just don't think a guy that presided over one of the worst offenses in the NFL is the right
    guy to hire......You generally want to hire guys that have a track record of success rather
    than the other way around.......Regardless, I hope I'm wrong. We'll see.

    At any rate, Kosar's opinion means more to me than Evans
     
  8. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    I dont think you will have to wait that long to know where screwed..

    Honestly i would love to give the guy some credit and a pass, but this entire off-season is going to be a scam Ross ****ed this team up by not having the courage or guts to clean house. I know so will disagree but a Lame Duck coach who is worried about his job now hiring sub-par talent to fix the worst position on our team who's record and thats the only tangible thing we can by IS HORRIBLE! So why does everyone think hes going to fix our issues with instability at QB, Horrible Offensive Line Play and needing two running backs.

    Sorry im not impressed with the team anymore. They have ruined my entire outlook on the franchise for the foreseeable future. What was needed wasn't done because of pressure Ross was getting from the Media. There is no way he believes in his heart that Sparano is the man to do it - otherwise he would not have even attempted to look elsewhere.

    Also as for Evans I believe him, what does he have to gain by bashing this guy? Hes played with him saw his demeanor I trust his opinion as an outsider more than Pennington who is now looking to be the QB again nothing like kissing some *** to get in good with your new boss right?
     
  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    actually yeah. i did expect to hear his preference however vague. do you want to establish a power running team if you're able too? do you want to become a spread passing attack if you're able too? in an ideal world what do you want to run? instead we get whatever is the best option. oh great. at 35 this guy is a master of WCO, Coryell, Erhardt Perkins, Run & Shoot, Power running, wildcat and the spread wide passing first offenses. He is the super genius of coaches apparently since he can mustrer up whatever philosophy is needed at any given time

    also this isnt the CIA. You're not revelaing any state secrets by talking about the type of offense you want to build here. Its not going to help or hinder us on Sunday letting that out
     
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  10. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I think it's because they themselves dont know what kind of offense we will be. They are making this up as they go. He stated him and Sparano are working on designing the offense. GOD HELP US ALL.

    I just know we better and I mean better use screens more effectively.
     
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  11. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I heard him rattle off a few things in the press conference. Accuracy, pocket presence, the ability to lead the troops in pressure situations. "Has to be good on third down".

    Obviously that's what everybody wants in a QB. But what were you referencing in particular?
     
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  12. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you know, that was exactly the sense thaT I got...he just didnt know yet
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    to me ross made the rookie business mistake. he went looking for a hire before knowing the outcome. he never should have looked for a coach publicly unless he knew he was going to get one. this is business that should be behind closed doors. instead we got a reality show "the amazing coaching search" at the end of the day, the best course of action would have been if ross had done nothing, kept his big mouth shut and waited to see what year four would bring. then if the results were the same, he does the complete overhaul. if the team makes the playoffs, thats when you offer a new contract.

    the thing that annoys me the most, is i dont just hear we want to get better, we ant to get exciting like its a friggin show. the only thing that should matter is getting better. how we do it is irrelevant. if we won the super bowl averaging 7 points a game i would be thrilled and if we end up 4-12 scoring 35 points a game i'm going to be pissed
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, more or what is his model at Qb?

    The Browns for example, added Jake Delhomme, who was washed up, was that DaBoll or Mangini?
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Funny, I expected him to just talk about how he is excited to have the job.
     
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  16. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    it is what it is & won't go away
    we'll have to live with these decisions
    Sparano, Henne & Daboll
    tackling our dysfunctional offense


    I wish them well, would hate to see Ross sell the franchise to Orlando :sad:
     
  17. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Give him a break AP, it was his first or 2nd day on the job, how much is he realistically supposed to have figured out within 24 hours? 2nd, even if he did have it all put together, why would he share his battle plans with the media? That'd be silly IMO. You can't judge an OC based on a press conference, no matter how good or bad, dull or informative it may be. As for Daboll's resume, he's worked and risen thru the ranks under some pretty established guys. Belichek disciples have done pretty well after they've left the Pats, Crenell, Weis, McDaniels & Mangini all became head coaches, were all fired, and all rehired almost immediately as coordinators again. Hopefully Daboll will have similar success for us, but there's no way to know at this point. I've come to realize that I'm going to watch all of Cleveland's offensive snaps, and I'm dreading it, but that's the best way to see what the guy's about IMO.
     
  18. GMJohnson

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    I'm with you, but we'd have to actually run screens in practice to be more effective, apparently, that wasnt happening under Henning. Our timing was awful, the OL either flew out to quick and gave the play away, or waited to long and never made it to the perimeter. The RBs didnt sell thier pass pro fakes either. The only screen play that was effective was the throwback to Fasano. Ronnie had a decent one vs Cleveland, but other than that nothing IIRC. It was awful to the point where I cant imagine we went over these things in practice, another sign of bad coaching IMO. We were probably too busy cooking up 1.6 yd per play WC schemes, that's why we didn't have time to work on screens, draws, play actions, the fundamental building blocks of offensive football.
     
  19. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Have you ever heard Pennington say a bad word about anyone?
     
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  20. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    never
     
  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    lol. maybe i expected too much
     
  22. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    well i agree that its too early to just trash the guy. and you're right that it was his first press conference. i disagree that he shouldnt know what the plan is going forward though. how the hell did he get the job then? normally when you interview someone they give you an idea of what they think your offense's strengths and weaknesses are and how they think they can optimize the strengths and hide the weaknesses or fix the weaknesses. I dont really see any reason to hide that information. Its not as if it can be used against you. This isnt laying out the gameplan for the Jets in week four or something. Its just an overall philosophy. We need to get faster, I want to attack vertically. I want to a power run game. I want to get tougher. I want to get more disciplined, etc....The only thing I got is we're going to be a reactive offense rather than a proactive offense and take what the defense gives which is a recipe for failure if carried out to the extreme. every successful offense is proactive to some degree. Obviously throughout the game you will adjust depending on what the defense is showing but thats not a philosophy to run an offense by for an entire 60 minutes. I really am curious as to how he got the job, what his pitch was.

    having said all that to me he is the coaching equivalent of Chad Henne right now. An inexperienced offensive coordinator who's got a little time under his belt but who hasnt had any success yet and he's getting a second chance to prove he isnt a bust. maybe it will work, maybe it wont. i wouldve preferred al saunders with his experience but so be it.

    bottom line though is we will be a better offense regardless of who's calling the plays just due to the influx of new talent we will get on the offensive side. Coaching is vastly overrated IMO when compared with talent and last year our talent cupboard was bare. Hopefully this year it will be at least half full
     
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  23. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    You made a lot of good points. I'm excited to see what new pieces will be brought in. Right now, if Im the OC Im poring over film trying to see what I have and dont have offensively so that I can communicate that to Ireland. Once the pieces are in place, then you decide on what type of tactics you're going to employ to maximize your effectiveness. Who we pick up should tell us a bunch about where we're trying to go.
     
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  24. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    And I know for a fact that you're smart enough not to hold your breath and wait for that to happen...lol
     
  25. padre31

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    Sounded good at the time..:lol:
     
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  26. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Really have no choice but to wait and see but let's just call it what it is. Sparano had very little to choose from...... it's not like we stole some hot shot new offensive minded prospect from somebody. He was kinda chased out of town too, ala Dan Henning. Bad luck for Sparano who really could have used another "Mike Nolan" kind of hire. Somebody to come in and just straighten thing outs and get it on track. This guy has a tall order in front of him...

    I do agree with what you want on offense tho, that philosophy..... I thought that was gonna be the plan this past season. It was disappointing to watch everything that we seemed to have built on offense to that point just fall apart. O line issues, no running game, Henne regressing, pitiful coaching.... it wasn't the offense I thought we were adding Marshall too.
     
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  27. Southbeach

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    Yeah, and Roy Rogers and Trigger's opinions mean as much. Only in today's day and age does a fringe player get to express an opinion. Shame on Tech.

    Now, IF it were "The Don" or "Dan The Man" a Webb, Sims, etc, etc, I may pay attention.
     
  28. Southbeach

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    Good post, and have to agree. I have no idea what the new OC will bring to to our team. IF he has a healthy O, and a few upgrades, he will be GREAT. Players are more important than coaches.
     
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  29. ATLFINFAN

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    When our new OC was hired I was thinking...........WHO? I cant dump on the choice because I dont know him nor did I follow what he has done. Sparano, WITH HIS JOB ON THE LINE, apparently thinks enough of this guy to have him run the offense. How can I over rate that. I am just a fan. Sparano's JOB......is in the balance with this decision.
     
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  30. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    And Bernie Kosar thinks it was a very good decision. We won't know **** until the season plays. If he sucks the flaming threads & know it alls get to say I told you so and if it works the know it all Sparano backers get to say I told you so.

    Basically none of us know it all and few of us know much.
     
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  31. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I'm not wild about Sparano but I would love to see it happen.
     
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  32. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    You have to wonder if there was a Parcells "presence" real or perceived that hurt him. All that matters is he gets the team winning.
     
  33. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i really dont care what other people/players think i just hope OUR players care and buy into the system we will see we can all speculate all day and night it wont do a damn bit of good we wont know until the phins get back onto the field and play to see if the offense improves or not. the play on the field will say that all that needs to be said not people like chad hennes mom or heath evans
     
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    I suspect Sparano felt comfortable with his approach. He didn't feel intimidated by his background or history, but rather saw him as someone he could work with, and communicate well.
    I expect it to be a Sparano/Daboll coordinated offense, one where they'll both be heavily involved in putting together what both need to solidify their careers.
     
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  35. adamprez2003

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    this draft is everything. we need a good one. cant afford a bad draft
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    Absolutely we do. We need at least a couple free agents also. WR is loaded, and there are 3 top end TEs available. I think OL and RB we can fill with rookies, but WR and TE are harder transitions. Brad Smith, James Jones & Marcedes Lewis. Santonio instead of Jones if we can afford it. Those guys plus a good draft, that'd put us on the map IMO.
     
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    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Even though it does the least to help us offensively since WR is our strongest position, I would love to draft Julio Jones if he somehow slipped to us. If not there's probably five other guys I would be happy with most of them linemen
     

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