Miami Dolphins taking a close look at quarterback Jake Locker at Senior Bowl practice

Im not saying Locker doesnt have flaws, its obvious he does. But when people make statements like the Husky wr core is talented and got seperation all season long, it tells me they didnt really watch too many Husky games.

 

Chris Polk was only other person Jake Locker had to work with on offense. The rest of that offense will be or already is working at McDonald's.

 

Not to mention Joey Harrington, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, MAtt Leinert, Byron Leftwich. Look, you still need to assess if the guy is GOOD in your opinion, likely to translate well to the NFL. just because they get picked in the first round doesn;t mean it's automatic and we should ignore any assessment of them.

And when you asess Locker he is not impressive.

I agree, let's get a GOOD QB in the first round. Not a project with major concerns. Several good QB coaches and OC's adhere to the idea that accuracy is the hardest thing to change in a QB. If they are inaccurate in college they'll probably remain so in the NFL. I don't want an inaccurate QB. Hopefully the Dolphins don't either.

A lot of our success, though, will depend on us getting a GREAT QB coach to develop whomever we pick.

 

Good article on 1st round QBs.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...st-round-quarterbacks-really-worth-the-gamble[video]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/337867-the-nfl-draft-are-first-round-quarterbacks-really-worth-the-gamble[/video]

The point being, there is still a very high miss rate on 1st round QBs. That means you better decide which ones suck and which ones are good. When people say they don;t want Locker, it's because they have watched him and think he's not good.

 

i think the success of aaron rodgers helps Locker's stock the most. This playoff you saw the decimation of non mobile pocket QBs (big ben is excellent at moving in the pocket). personally i'm not crazy about the guy but i would think it would be criminal not to take a better look by my scouts

 

I have also seen games where he had plenty of open receivers and still missed them.

 

Didn't Dan Marino have an off senior year? Not comparing Locker to Dano, just saying.....

 

Yes, he certainly has flaws, but he has a nice talent base on which to build. His mobility can't be taught - he's FAST!! Look this past weekend what plays were made by Rodgers and Big Ben after extending the play. Locker brings that sort of ability, to extend the play.

Yep, plus he threw side arm and off the wrong foot. Somehow, he overcame it!

 

Where do you people come up with Henne being inaccurate? Chad Henne has a 62% career completion %.

Matt Ryan- 60%

Joe Flacco- 62%

 

IMO, the biggest mistake in scouting a QB is thinking that a QB "wins" games all by himself. Teams win games. If a good enough QB is surrounded with tons of talent, ie Aikman, they will succeed more often than not.

 

Agreed, that is why Jay Cutler was a first round pick. That guy never won in college, however he was talented with a pretty bad team around him.

 

Marino actually averaged 19 TD's and 17 INT's a season in his 4 years at Pitt. Not great at all. His senior season he threw 17 TD's and 23 INT's.

The concerns about throwing motion in just about every QB are bunk IMO. A QB succeeding in the NFL has many factors, with motion being probably towards the bottom. There's no one way to deliver the football - same with pitching motion in baseball.

The difference between Marino's numbers and Locker's, is that Marino still had a solid completion % (right around 60%) for his entire college career. Locker is hovering around 53.5 %. Even if his receivers are HORRIBLE, that still doesn't account for the % to be that low, where you're playing girl schools for half your games and also play in the Pac 10, one of the weakest conferences in terms of secondary play.

 

Henne does get the ball in his receivers vicinity very well, in that sense he is accurate, but his ball placement/location is average at best. He back hips slants that should lead the receiver, shoelace throws WRs, or throws behind guyts (like HArtline on his fumble at the LOS this year).

I think that's where the perception comes from. He is accurate in the sense of getting it to the receiver, but his ball location can make the catch several degrees of difficulty harder for the receiver than it 'should' be with better ball placement.

 

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And ball placement, IMO, can be taught. Also, ball placement has a lot to do with where the WR wants the ball. Henne has had ~25 games to learn where his WR's want/need the ball placed.

 

What list? Pro scouts?

 

Of course I want them to look at all the QB prospects deeply to see if a talent is in reach for us.
Having said that, I do not favor a crew that gets too determined to focus on one area of a QB's talents and fall in love with a prospect because of that one skill set. It seems to me that this crew has gone cocoo for cocoa puffs over one skill set which is mobility. They already completely burned one 2nd round pick focusing on this aspect rather than focusing on a prospect that has the skills to be a complete NFL QB.

My comments come from a direct worry that this management team is so enamored with finding a "mobile" QB that they are willing to overlook other important aspects of a QB's game. Just a feeling I"m getting based on the information coming out.

 

Good article except for including QBs riding the bench factoring in to the won-loss record. Why include players on the bench like they are actually helping to determine the outcome of the game? Crazy...

 

Your welcome. I guess I could have just thrown out a statement like, "No Locker doesn't have more talent in his pinky than Henne," and then not offered anything to support it. It appears that only is legitimate if you make the claim Locker does have more talent in his pinky than Henne. Apparently there is no need to support that claim with any evidence.

 

Confusing statement to compare a 55.4% passer with a 72% passer. One intangible that is not the same...ball location. We already have a QB that is not very accurate with his ball location. Why do we need to replace him with another inaccurate passer?

 

Locker is not a bad player, just have to knock the rust off. Many of the issues people identify are coachable, but his mobility and arm are not. I do question whether we have the coaches to pull it off, as I liked Chad Henne's skillset coming out of Michigan but little has happened since.

At the moment, Locker is an intriguing trade-down option. You might not take him at 15, but what if we have an opportunity to trade down and pick up a late second? Locker in the late first is something worth considering, and why I think Miami is scouting him.

His best chance at success, like the vast majority of rookie Qbs, is to hold a clipboard on the sidelines for a year or two. By then, what is still a very young offense will hopefully have gelled.

 

hes made inaccurate throws, no doubt. could you point me to some games where his wr's were open and getting separation all day?

 

and your evidence was reading his completion % off to me and his td/int ratio while "watching a couple games"? i should feel better knowing you have seen him play twice?

 

hes a reach at 15. Locker going to a team with an established qb already in the 1st makes much more sense/less risk. give him a year or two to see if he can develop. in the meantime if you run a WildCat package, he can be dangerous there.

 

[video=youtube;syqhmUW3vIM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syqhmUW3vIM[/video]

 

When watching him he makes more inaccurate throws than accurate. I am rarely impressed by him.

He might not be NFL calibar, however Jermaine Kearse was a pretty good receiver last year. he might have looked even better with an accurate quarterback

 

you didnt answer my question lol. what games could you point me to where his wr's were getting consistent separation? thanks.

 

[video=youtube;MQWeHycyqmU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWeHycyqmU&feature=related[/video]

 

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Yep, or do you consider yourself not being worthy of it?

OK then how about being number one, two, or three in judging others, kind of harshly, on this site for doing something they really enjoy?

 

I think this sums up the good and the bad of Jake Locker.

O-State is coming on every play and his OL is a sieve, and Sarkisian doesn't know how to counter the blitzes; Locker is on the run the entire game.

But he is indomitable. He runs like a running back - but he is NOT a run-first Quarterback. He makes throws when he has time, right on the money, and Receivers "Ginn" them - short-arming, sliding to avoid tackles, letting passes bounce off their pads instead of catching with their hands. And yet Locker keeps making the throws.

He's not perfect, not even close. But this is a guy who loves the game and works hard and NEVER gives up.

I'm not gonna bet against him.

 

Agree Nabo. How do you put a rating on heart? The kid took two massive shots in that Bowl game against Nebraska and just kept coming. He ran through a db for a TD, and on another play carried 3 tacklers for a 1st down. hes fearless, and how can you not respect that. its clear he needs work as a qb, but his determination is something that doesnt.

 

By “JMac”, I’m assuming you mean JaMarcus Russell. In which case, that tells me you’ve never actually watched JaMarcus Russell OR Cam Newton. Russell and Newton are diametrically opposed. I give you points for originality—you didn’t bring up Vince Young, who also is a different QB than Cam Newton—but you still get a failing grade. How’s that for running a draft service, eh?

There’s so much lazy analysis surrounding Cam Newton that it’s kind of sad.

 

which one, left or right?

 

left, and hes right handed

 

Excuse me??

 

Over your head again, it seems.

I seriously doubt Newton will make it in the NFL. And JUST LIKE JMac, some team will bet the farm on him and lose.