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Henne's Ratings Game by Game vs Opposing QB's

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Southbeach, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Agreed. But it's not like we weren't easy to defend before Hartline went out :lol:.
     
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  2. muscle979

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    The implication seemed to be that the benching killed his confidence and directly affected his performance. That's what I responded to. It is only human to lose faith in ineffective leaders. He did need better teachers and coaches but he has to have the intestinal fortitude to overcome basically what amounts to getting his feelings hurt.
     
  3. GMJohnson

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    Well if our friggin QB knew how to kick FGs we wouldn't have had to send Carpenter out there in the first place. Its all Chad's fault man, you Henne homers are a joke...
     
  4. GMJohnson

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    I don't know if the benching bothered him or not. But he was clearly affected by not having a full compliment of NFL WRs and TEs to throw to. Talk about a confidence killler, imagine coming to the line late in the game with no running game, with Marlon Moore, Roberto Wallace and Davone Bess are your wideouts. That's not football, its cruel and unusual punishment.
     
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  5. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    LOL...You are in a wet dream with your infatuation with Chad Henne. Didn't have a full compliment of WR??? He had a top five all around WR in Brandon Marshall and the best slot WR in the NFL in Davone Bess. Smoke another one man. :lol:

    Anthony Fasano is regarded as one of the better TE in the NFL too.
     
  6. CaribPhin

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    BSSSSS. Go back to the tape, point the instances out, and stop using talking points.
     
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  7. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Do you REALLY want Chad Henne as our QB?
     
  8. CirclingWagons

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    Chad Henne not only deserves another chance, but a long-term contract extension as well. Make it happen Jeff :up:
     
  9. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    piss off
     
  10. Stitches

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    Marshall is probably a top 10 WR, but I really don't think he's top 5.

    And I have never seen Fasano regarded as one of the better TEs in the NFL (though I think he's undervalued a lot by our fans).
     
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  11. CashInFist

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    You thought Marshall was a top five WR until he had Chad Henne throwing to him for a full season...
     
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  12. CirclingWagons

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    Why so hostile, scrah? I'm paying your QB a compliment.
     
  13. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    All you are doing is running your b itch *** bills mouth as usual, looking like a jack *** in the process.
     
  14. CaribPhin

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    The only player not named Chad Henne that I want under center is Matt Hasselbeck. I personally would rather Aaron Rodgers or Philip Rivers but ****, who the hell is out there?
     
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  15. CirclingWagons

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    Does this mean we can't be friends?
     
  16. CaribPhin

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    For a 38 year old guy who spends a lot of time on an internet forum, you sure do talk like a piss tailed kid who doesn't have anything better to do.
     
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  17. CashInFist

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    Chad Henne sux. :tongue2:
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    Fasano's regarded as one of the better TEs by YOU maybe. He only "appears" good stat wise b/c he was our ONLY freakin TE on the team with no one else to take reps at the position until he got injured. Do you realize how ridiculous that is?! Our TE position actually ranked about 4th worst in the NFL!!!!!!!!!!!! How about our backs in the receiving game? How did they stack up as outlets? They freakin sucked!!!!! But I guess that doesn't matter either huh?! I also guess a running game that's constantly putting a QB in 3rd and long doesn't matter either. :glare:

    And Marshall & Bess (2 guys with no speed) going against an entire secondary by themselves b/c Wallace & Moore pose no threat? Cmon now. You really dont understand the dynamics of football do you? Marshall & Bess alone are NO MATCH FOR ANY DEFENSE IN THE NFL!!!!! What you're saying is absolutely absurd!!!!!

    By the way, Bess is NOT the best slot WR in the NFL. He's the best 3rd down slot receiver in the NFL, but he's much less of a factor on 1st & 2nd down.
     
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    I may need to smoke a couple if I have to explain to you that I was talking about the Cleveland game, the only game where those 3 guys were out there. I thought the description was enough, but I give some of you guys too much credit. Its funny you talk wet dreams, right before you foist Bess on us as the "best" slot WR in the league. Is that a joke? And Marshall is probably not a top 5 even when healthy, Marshall with a bad hammy and a quad pull? Definitely not top 5. Sounds like we both need a smoke :up:.

    [video=youtube;YyDqoLimejg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDqoLimejg[/video]
     
  20. GMJohnson

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    I'm slowly learning not to get mad as these guys who are super passionate, but have no clue about the game. Slowly...
     
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  21. CashInFist

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    Dude...the sooner you accept in your heart that Chad Henne is not the future of the Miami Dolphins the sooner you stop being a cheerleader for GMJohnson and MarinePhinFan. :lol:
     
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    I got that granddaddy purp if ya'll need to smoke the peace pipe
     
  23. Ricky'sBong

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    Chad Henne demonstrates the same flaws now that he did at Michigan. How many years must a guy be given before you come to the conclusion perhaps no amount of coaching will fix it? The biggest problem with him is he has no pocket presence, and no ability to avoid a rush while keeping his eyes downfield. Hes a sitting duck, so not a good combo.
     
  24. ToddsPhins

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    Yeah, b/c many of us realized that Marshall can be neutralized b/c he needs other WRs/TEs to help give him space to make place b/c he lacks the speed to create his own space. If you surround him with a slow cast that cant stretch a defense, then he cant do anything with guys constantly on top of him. Duh.
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    The sooner you understand the actual dynamics of an offense etc, the more improved the content of this forum would become.
     
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  26. CashInFist

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    You have proof that you thought that way when we traded for him? Because I am calling BS...
     
  27. ToddsPhins

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    And I didn't even get into the Oline protection late in the year. :lol: But apparently Marshall & Bess are good enough all by their lonesome that these 2 guys should allow any QB to succeed w/o anything else around them.

    According to CashinFist we could line up Marshall & Bess on the field along with a QB and a Center and those 4 guys should be scoring 30 pts a game. ROFLMAO
     
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  28. ToddsPhins

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    No, b/c when we traded for him I thought Ginn would still be here to stretch the field.
     
  29. GISH

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    Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but I'm not a Henne homer. I'm on the fence with Henne. I'm curious to see what he'll do with one more chance, but I'm more than prepared to say goodbye to him if we secure someone better. Even if that someone is Kyle Orton. Henne has yet to prove he can read a defense and make adjustments. He hasn't shown exceptional leadership skills. He struggles with accuracy. And worst of all he doesn't throw enough touchdowns to make up for his interceptions. He's kinda like Jay Fiedler but with less leadership and more arm strength.
     
  30. ToddsPhins

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    Understanding the dynamics of this all isn't rocket science.

    First off, you have to throw Brandon & Bess's stats out the window and look at it from the field's perspective.

    Brandon & Bess are not vertical threats.
    What Brandon & Bess are: tremendous short-intermediate receivers who rely on having some space so that they can pick up YAC.
    What Fasano is: a reliable short-intermediate TE who lacks a true big play ability and isn't a threat to stretch the field.
    What Ronnie & Ricky are: slow outlet backs who offer little big play ability in the passing game who also can't stretch the field.
    What Hartline is: an intermediate WR who lacks true deep speed and doesn't scare teams vertically.
    What Wallace & Moore are: WRs who have absolutely ZERO place on an NFL field right now.

    So please tell me out of this group, who is helping stretch the field to allow Marshall & Bess the required space to really be effective or prevent them from constantly being combo covered? Do we need to draw a diagram for it? Who on the Oline was blocking well enough to allow these slower guys enough time to get open?

    But you complain about Henne seeming to checkdown a lot. Duh!!----- He's coached to not make mistakes; he has a line that's letting guys through left and right; he has a bad knee; he has 2 unreliable FA WRs; and he has slow WRs who take longer to get open. What the heck is he supposed to do?!
     
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  31. CashInFist

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    Ummm...Chad Henne can not hit the open Wr when he is ten yards away...

    And there you go again, being GMJohnson's cheerleader. :lol:
     
  32. Killerphins

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    Not true I saw Henne hit Marshall right in the hands at least three times last season and he drops the football. All would have been first downs. Also against the Jets Henne threw a perfect pass down the middle to Marshall who didn't fight and go after it. :wink2:
     
  33. CashInFist

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    THREE WHOLE TIMES??? Wow...WTF was I thinking? LOL
     
  34. Ricky'sBong

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    so any fan who thinks Chad Henne is mediocre is clueless? Im not trying to illicit an argument, just asking. I feel he has some serious flaws in his game, and some of the same flaws that date all the way back to being a Wolverine. Hes pushing 30 career starts now, so his sample size is decent. I realize his OC was a doofus, and some injuries didnt help, but those things have nothing to do with flaws such as the inability to keep his eyes downfield while trying to slide in the pocket and avoid a rush. First off, he cant avoid a rush. So if thats the case and he's Drew Bledsoe Jr, then he better being able to read a defense quickly and decisively. He still struggles with that at times and is late with balls.
     
  35. Killerphins

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    Um extending drives is very important in football. :up:
     
  36. CashInFist

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    Chad Henne blew monkey balls all over the field the entire season. LOL, you all will understand when he is out of the NFL in three seasons.
     
  37. Killerphins

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    Fair enough but he will get another shot as I've said before if he fails I'm done but I need to see him away from Henning and Lee first. The one thing I will agree with you on is the stone feet comment you made earlier. His drop was slow early in the season and it wasn't fixed.
    Anyone who thinks Henne didn't face about as many bad circumstances as a young QB can this past season is blind. We'll see if he fights through it and grabs some new life. I'm interested to find out.
     
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  38. ToddsPhins

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    For having the cannon that he has, his short placement is actually pretty darn good. Again, this goes back to this regime trying to make him into Penny 2.0 rather than the strong armed QB he is.

    I'm not sure what you're looking at by the way....... or maybe you just don't watch a lot of football b/c I didn't see Henne missing any more open guys than most of the other QBs in the league. What I did see, however, is Henne not having guys who get open as quickly as a whole or not having guys who can get open at every level of the field.... and what I did see is Henne not having rhythm with WRs b/c they're new to the field or were being used out of their normal position (IE: Bess being a #2 WR rather than the slot, and Wallace, Moore, and Shuler playing whom Henne had almost no work or timing with).

    You act like every QB in the league has 100% passing ratings and that it's absurd to think that QBs miss receivers from time to time. Look around! NFL QBs miss nearly 40% of their passes. Maybe his 61.4% completions with all this crap going on means nothing though, right? :glare:
     
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  39. ToddsPhins

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    by the way, he's my cheerleader, so get it straight if you're gonna insult us for it. At least I'm not X-paco's cheerleader. You got the raw end of the deal buddy..... literally. :lol:
     
  40. ToddsPhins

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    You mean while he has a bad knee?
    His pocket awareness has actually improved this year, but it's a little hard to continue improving his ability to slide around when he has a bad knee. Tom Brady's mobility is just as bad but he's learned over the years how to move enough to still be effective. Henne is starting to learn it too.

    It's an acquired skill just like anything else is. You don't become a great dancer overnight. It takes practice. Moving in the pocket is no different.

    The guy's had Jake Long protecting his blind side for the past 7 years. He never really had to worry about it before..... but now that it is important, you watch and see how he gradually improves his ability to move enough to be effective. It's a practice makes perfect type of thing. This year we've watched him begin to finally take his baby steps in this department (using his feet more). We've seen him become more cognizant and tucking the ball and running for 1st downs. As he becomes more comfortable and practiced using his feet, he'll slowly become better at using them.
     

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