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Gabbert has to be the pick

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Big Red, Jan 28, 2011.

Who should the Dolphins draft in the 1st round?

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  4. Center

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  5. Trade back and get another pick

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  1. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    The Dolphins need a QB. We have needed one since Dan Marino retired. Blaine Gabbert is very quickly establishing himself as the top quarterback in this year's draft. Even drawing comparisons to Philip Rivers. We need to find a way to trade up and get him.

    Aside from possibly Cam Newton, any other use of our 1st round pick is a failure. Plain and simple.

    With that in mind I wonder how high we would need to move up. Which of these players are likely to go before Gabbert?

    1. CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
    2. CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
    3. DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
    4. DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama
    5. DE Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
    6. DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina
    7. WR A.J. Green, Georgia
    8. WR Julio Jones, Alabama
    9. RB Mark Ingram, Alabama
    10. RB Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
    11. OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State
    12. OT Tyron Smith, USC
    13. OT Nate Solder, Colorado
    14. OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
     
  2. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I think it's very unlikely that he gets out of the to 5 and without a second round pick I see very little chance of us getting into the top 5. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see both Gabbert and Newton gone in the top 5 when all is said and done.
     
  3. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    Damnit, I thought we were done with the whole Blaine Gabbert movement. Guess not.

    Let's move on. We have very little shot at getting him now and if we do, I doubt we go after him. I think it is evident that Henne is getting another chance in Miami and I think it is evident that everyone would rather trade down in the 1st and pick up a 2nd, instead of picking at 15.
     
  4. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    If we traded our 1st round pick this year (2011) and our 1st round pick next year (2012) then we could move up to the 4th or 5th spot.

    If we traded our 1st round pick this year (2011) and our 2nd round pick next year (2012) then we could move up to the 8th or 9th spot.

    It's very possible.

    For example in 2009 the Jets traded their 1st round pick (17th overall) and their 2nd round pick (52nd overall) plus a couple of players to the Browns in order to move up to the 5th spot and draft Sanchez.

    In 2008 the Jags traded their 1st round pick (26th overall), two 3rd round picks, and a 4th rounder to move up to the 8th spot in order to draft Derrick Harvey.

    The big question is where Gabbert is likely to be taken and which players are likely to go ahead of him.
     
  5. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    1 & 2. If the Panthers take Fairley then the Broncos will probably take Bowers. And vice versa. That gets us to the 3rd postion.

    3. The Bills might take Gabbert. But they would be passing on higher rated prospects such as Patrick Peterson, A.J. Green, Robert Quinn, Marcell Dareus, and Prince Amukamara. Plus Cam Newton is a possibility here.

    4. The Bengals have Carson Palmer. They could roll with him for another year and draft A.J. Green. They are also our first realistic trade partner. There are a lot of good options for them at the 15th spot. Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, Adrian Clayborn, or a left tackle.

    5. The Cards might take Gabbert but would they pass up Peterson, Amukamara, or Quinn?

    6. The Browns are switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 so they are likely to go defense here. Another potential trade partner for us?

    7. Harbaugh and the 49ers are likely to draft a QB. There is probably no way Gabbert gets past the 49ers unless they choose Cam Newton instead.

    8. The Titans are also likely to draft a QB. They would be extremely foolish to pass on Gabbert. But what if we offered them our 2nd round pick (in 2012) and Chad Henne?

    9. If Gabbert does get past the 49ers and the Titans then Dallas already has Romo. Gabbert falling to 9th is our best case scenario. We already have strong ties to the Cowboys organization so it shouldn't be too hard to work out a trade. It probably wouldn't take more than our 2nd (in 2012) plus possibly a player.
     
  6. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    That would be the dumbest thing this franchise has done in a long time. Trade 2 firsts to move up in the top 5 and draft Blaine Gabbert?
     
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  7. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    Why?

    Gabbert is the top quarterback in this year's draft. What good is our 1st round pick going to do us next year if we still don't have a QB?
     
  8. rafael

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    IMO Gabbert is likely to go anywhere from #3, #4, #5, #6, #7 and #8, but I expect he'll be gone in the top 5. To get into the top 5 would take a lot more than this year's and next year's first. Just looking quickly at my trade value chart, they list the 5th pick at 1800. Our 15th pick is listed at 1050 and next year's first would be valued at 440. That would leave us about 350 points behind and would require about a 2nd this year or every single other pick we have in this draft (that may not be enough). Obviously, those numbers are just estimates and don't have to match equally, but the point is that it would take a lot more than this year's and next year's 1st to move from 15 to 5.
     
  9. finsbuck719

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    I wouldn't say he is the top quarterback. I would say maybe about 3rd-4th. Not to mention, this has turned into an awful QB draft class. It's filled with a bunch of projects and a bunch of guys who's stock has fallen a lot over the past month or so.

    Oh and then we are going to have to pay for a top 5 salary. Not worth it, when he would be our 3rd best QB on our roster entering camp. There is no doubt in my mind that Henne is a better fit for us for many reasons: Cheaper, more experienced, has had success in the NFL, knows our system, and has played with the players on our offense before.
     
  10. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    How in the world did you figure that? :confused2:

    I believe any team making this deal would work off the assumption that our 1st round pick is worth 1050 points and next year's pick will also be worth 1050 points. But regardless of how they do it they would be taking a risk because they would not know where in the 1st round we would be picking next year. That is why we would probably have to throw in a player as well. To reduce their risk.
     
  11. Big Red

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    I agree. However the 7th and 8th spots are probably the most likely because of the talent ahead of Gabbert. Are any of those Top 7 teams going to pass up Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara, A.J. Green, Robert Quinn, or Marcell Dareus for Gabbert? Not to mention a franchise left tackle. By draft day one of these four will emerge as the premiere OT in this year's draft: Solder, Smith, Castonzo, or Sherrod.
     
  12. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    Well I certainly can't debate that with you if that's your opinion. For all we know you are right about Henne. (But I don't think so.) So all I will say to you is if Gabbert turns out to be the next Phillip Rivers then he is most definitely worth a Top 5 salary and our 1st round pick in 2012.

    Agree to disagree. :knucks:
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    I'm not convinced Gabbert will go top 5.
     
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  14. Stitches

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    I'm not either, but I'm pretty convinced he'll go top 12.
     
  15. finsbuck719

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    Agreed. :knucks: We'll see in 2-3 years how he turns out.

    This. Also, if he doesn't go to 12-14, it looks like he is falling until the late 1st to either Seattle or a team that trades up for him.
     
  16. rafael

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    No, that is not how the draft value chart works. Next years pick is valued at one round lower. As for where he will be picked, I think it is far more likely that he will go in the top 5 than after that. Suffice it to say that I don't think its likely that most of those players will be taken above Gabbert at this point in time. If something bad comes out about him then maybe, but right now that is the only hope I see for your scenario.
     
  17. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    1. Nick Fairley is rated way higher than Gabbert.

    2. Da'Quan Bowers is rated way higher than Gabbert.

    3. Both cornerbacks are rated higher than Gabbert. Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara.

    4. Both receivers are rated higher than Gabbert. AJ Green and Julio Jones.

    5. Defensive studs Marcell Dareus and Robert Quinn are both rated higher than Gabbert.

    6. It's very possible that one of the left tackles in this year's draft leapfrogs Gabbert especially based on team need. Nate Solder, Tyron Smith, Anthony Castonzo, and Derek Sherrod.

    I believe it is very possible and almost likely that Gabbert is still on the board until the 7th pick at least.
     
  18. alen1

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    You don't really know 3, 4 and 5. I can say with confidence that Sherrod is not going to go higher than Gabbert. I just don't see that happening.
     
  19. Big Red

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    Thanks for weighing in Alen. :up: I have no problem removing Sherrod from the list.

    Respectfully disagree on 3 and 4. It is extremely unlikely that Gabbert goes before the top cornerback or receiver. Gabbert will need a couple years to develop (look at Philip Rivers). Peterson and Green would most likely have a Pro Bowl or two under their belt by that time.

    I say we bite the bullet. Let's use our 1st round pick in 2012 as ammunition to move up and get Gabbert, and have Daboll install a version of the spread which suits Brandon Marshall better anyway.
     
  20. alen1

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    I'm not saying he will go before the top CB or WR. Probably won't but he may go before the second best WR and CB and you're reading this from a pretty big Amukamara fan. He's better than given credit for by some IMO.

    Plus, you don't really know where these guys rate on the NFL boards. It's a huge difference between the fans boards, the scouting sites boards and the NFL boards obviously. I was surprised to see the Colts have Pat Angerer rated so highly this past draft but they took him where they thought it was right and he was pretty good in their system, which is often forgotten. Plus, teams are always hungry for QBs.
     
  21. Big Red

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    Oh yeah. I agree. That's why I listed them together. One of them is being drafted ahead of Gabbert for sure. Both of them? Maybe. Maybe not. But I was just trying to get a handle on the highest I could see Gabbert going. With Peterson and Amukamara both rated higher it's safe to say at least one of them will be drafted ahead of him which would push him one spot closer to us.

    True. But it was no surprise that Bradford, Suh, and McCoy went one, two, and three last year. It's looking like Fairley and Bowers will go one and two this year. What I'm trying to do is make some fairly safe assumptions. However there is no doubt they are still assumptions at this point.

    This is what I'm toying with at the moment:

    1. PANTHERS - DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
    2. BRONCOS - DE Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
    3. BILLS - OT Nate Solder, Colorado
    4. BENGALS - WR A.J. Green, Georgia
    5. CARDINALS - DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina
    6. BROWNS - DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama
    7. 49'ERS - CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
    8. TITANS - QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

    I don't see any way Gabbert gets to the Cowboys which is unfortunate. But that is what I'm rooting for. Relistically we would probably need to trade with the Bengals, Cardinals, or Browns to get Gabbert. And that's my dream draft right now.
     
  22. KB21

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    With Blaine Gabbert, I would consider taking him if he fell to the 15th pick. I would not trade up for him though. This is a prospect whose status has been inflated because Andrew Luck didn't declare. He's got the size and arm strength you look for, but there are a lot of things that keep him from being a sure thing. First of all, his accuracy is inflated because he runs one of the most dink and dunk offenses in college football. The guy throws mostly bubble screens and short throws. Granted, he shows good accuracy on those throws, but his accuracy falls apart when he throws the ball down the field. Second, because of the offense he is in, he is very, very inexperienced at taking snaps from under center and does not show the ability to go through his progressions. He is going to have a big learning curve when he gets to the NFL. Also, he has a strong tendancy to let his mechanics get sloppy, and it is typically because he does not show the willingness to stay in the pocket and let a play develop. He's too quick to break out of the pocket, and when he throws on the run, his accuracy gets worse.

    I like his physical skills, and I think he is a smart guy with the capacity to learn what he needs to do in a pro style offense. However, his flaws right now keep me from calling him a slam dunk sure fire NFL quarterback prospect. I'm not 100% convinced that I would take him at 15.

    I think when you are going to invest a first round pick on a quarterback, there can't be any issues with his accuracy, his ability to go through his progressions, or his mechanics.

    If there were no questions over the health of his arm, the best quarterback prospect in this draft is Christian Ponder of Florida State. Mentally, this guy is off the charts, and he has Chad Pennington like intangibles. You watch Christian interact with his team, and it is obvious that he is a leader of men. That team is his team. On the field, Ponder is very sound mechanically. He does a great job on play fakes. He stands strong in the pocket and lets plays develop, and if things break down, he does have the feet to extend the play (which is something a lot of Dolphins fans seem to focus on, moreso than the player's actual passing ability. Accuracy, Christian is probably one of the more accurate quarterbacks on short, intermediate, and down field throws. He throws the ball with great touch, but he has enough arm strength to make all the throws when he sets his feet and strides into his throws. Christian is also very good at going through his progressions during the play as well as making presnap reads and adjusting the play/calling audibles based on what he sees. Many people are comparing him to Chad Pennington right now, and if I'm Miami, a Chad Pennington type of quarterback is exactly what I want.

    If there were no questions about his arm health, I would take this guy in the first round. I've been looking at a lot of quarterbacks in this draft trying to find that one guy that I have a strong conviction about. I thought it was going to be Pat Devlin, as for the longest time, he was my favorite. After looking at some games of Ponder's that he has played over the past two years, he's the guy I have that conviction about.
     
  23. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Gabbert is a QB. In a QB driven league, QBs goes much higher than their rating. I think its very likely that Gabbert goes in the top 5.
     
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  24. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    Want more reasons why we should move up and draft Gabbert?

    1. We passed on Drew Brees for Jamar Fletcher in 2001.

    2. We passed on Aaron Rodgers for Ronnie Brown in 2005.

    3. We passed on Kevin Kolb for Ted Ginn in 2007. (I only mention this because there's a sentiment we should trade for Kolb this offseason.)

    4. We passed on Matt Ryan for Jake Long in 2008.

    It's time to stop the bleeding.
     
  25. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    Those are not reasons to draft Blaine Gabbert, and they are certainly not reasons to trade up in order to do so.

    You draft Blaine Gabbert because you think Blaine Gabbert can solve your problems at quarterback. And you better be damn well sure about it because you don't have a 2nd round pick. And, if you're going to trade away your first round pick next year, you better be even more certain than that.
     
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  26. ckparrothead

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    It's a tough call. Past mistakes don't make Blaine Gabbert a better prospect. But if you don't learn from past mistakes, you're doomed to repeat them.

    There's a combination of factors at play in this. One, this is a quarterback's league, now more than ever. It's been a "haves and have-nots" league at that position for a while, but now it's starting to evolve into an even worse situation where there is less and less room for the teams that have franchise starters that are not elite. For example, the past six quarterbacks to play in the last three Super Bowls include Ben Rapistberger, Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. If you're sitting here with Chad Henne in your arsenal, and that fact doesn't scare the p!ss out of you, then I don't know what to tell you. This is a league that is currently in a state of rapid change in terms of the passing game, incorporation of spread concepts, the protection of quarterbacks and now receivers with all those fines for defenseless hits. Quarterback talent is flowing through to the bottom line of the scoreboards more cleanly than ever, and it wouldn't surprised me that as the league has been evolving with the rule changes and incorporation of NCAA concepts, that the trend over the last three years as opposed to the three years prior when guys like Eli Manning, Rex Grossman and Matt Hasselbeck could make it in, is here to stay...or get worse.

    The second factor at play here is you HAVE to admit this is an inexact science. People may like to treat this as an exact science and always talk about "BPA! BPA! BPA!" but it's not an exact science and the difference between the 1.15 and 1.13 grade off the scouting report isn't necessarily worth the paper it's printed on. There's a huge element of unknown and therefore a huge element of risk, and luck. There's downside surprise to whoever you pick, and there's also upside surprise to whoever you pick. The guys that have THE most talent and THE most upside are still to be found in the first round. Maybe you don't rate Blaine Gabbert as the next Aaron Rodgers, but with the Draft being what it is, and you rating the guy a bonafied 1st rounder, should it really surprise you if he IS the next Aaron Rodgers? Really?

    We're getting to the point where the quarterback is such a valuable position and the "overpay" is so common that if you're always waiting for the "right" deal then you're just going to be left out in the cold, period. And THAT is what you take from Big Red's citation (two triple crown winners) of our past mistakes...a LESSON that you have to take RISK if you want REWARD.
     
  27. FaninPatsyLand

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    This is a great post.

    I think moving into the top 5 from our current position would probably be close to impossible and almost certainly counter-productive (based on the rough guidelines set by the draft value chart, as rafael pointed out). However, if after the top 5 selections, Ireland looks down at his board and sees the guy him and Sparano jointly targeted still available, I'd be pretty pissed if they didn't put forth the necessary effort to move into a position to draft said prospect, for all the reasons you mentioned above.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    I would say that in this decade we have made the following decisions because we were afraid of RISK at that QB position, ignoring potential upside for the more sure thing.

    1. Jay Fiedler over Trent Green - Trent Green was coming off a bad knee injury and was up for grabs because St. Louis had discovered Kurt Warner. Here comes the infamous quote, "What can Trent Green do that Jay Fielder can't?" Oh and let's not forget Dave Wannstedt also had a quote something like Trent didn't even do particularly well when he came in for an injured Warner anyway. This quote was particularly absurd because Green assembled a 101.8 QB Rating on 240 passes in St. Louis in 2000, the year in question. But, you would have had to give a 1st round pick for a guy that got to St. Louis in 1999 and busted his knee right away, only had a 2-3 record in 2000 coming in place of Warner. Too risky.

    2. Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees - This one is clear. Dave Wannstedt's explanation was dripping with exactly what I'm talking about. He didn't like the signal that drafting a 1st round QB sends to the team. He overruled his personnel man Rick Spielman, who had Brees rated plenty high enough to take him there. Wannstedt wanted what he saw as the more immediate help, a nickel cornerback that would play on (at most) half of defensive downs. Less risk. (except Jamar Fletcher turned out to be a bust).

    3. Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers - Did they, or did they not have a 1st round grade on Aaron Rodgers? That's the question you have to ask here. Because I know they sure as hell didn't have a quarterback at the time, and so somewhere they made the decision that Ronnie Brown at RB would have more impact on the team's chances of winning than a quarterback that legitimately carries a 1st round grade. And that, I just flat disagree with on philosophical reason.

    4. Daunte Culpepper over Drew Brees - Again, this is taking the more reasonably priced asset over the one with higher reward but higher risk. James Andrews, who performed the surgery on Drew Brees, was confident in his recovery. That's a fact. But all the other doctors consulted said he had something like a 20 to 30% chance of full recovery. Daunte Culpepper's knee recovery should have been less of a question mark. Thing is, they rated Brees over Culpepper. Nick Saban didn't buy for one second that Daunte Culpepper was a better QB than Drew Brees. Others of us may have mistakenly done so, self included, but that wasn't Nick's thinking. In this scenario, Sean Payton was willing to take the risk that it takes to win in this league, gambling on a QB when they only way you're going to get a good one is to gamble, and Miami got caught being too safe.

    5. Ted Ginn over Brady Quinn - I know this looks awkward whenever Simon brings it up but it's part and parcel to a pattern of behavior that Miami has displayed for years. The safer way wasn't to get the highest rated quarterback, it was to get the combination of a receiver and a quarterback. And if John Beck wasn't there in the 2nd round, they would have taken Trent Edwards. They didn't trade up for Beck to make sure they got him. In other words, they didn't care which quarterback they got, the important thing to them was they get a premium WR and then whichever QB they get would end up good because he has that WR.

    6. Jake Long over Matt Ryan - I'm not even explaining this one as Dave Hyde tells me that he knows for a FACT that Bill Parcells knocked this one around for a long time, whether the Dolphins should take Ryan or Long. So they had Matt Ryan rated high enough. In the end he chose the safer route, the guy that was more guaranteed to be worth the money. They can get a 2nd round QB and do just as well.

    If you don't learn from these mistakes, you're doomed to repeat them. The lesson is, the position is so important, that if you're not considering something that most people will say is an "overpay" or a "risky move" to get a quarterback, then that's is the FIRST red flag that you aren't in the right mindset to take care of this position. Sitting by and passively waiting for the perfect deal to come by leaves you exactly where this franchise has been for a decade...out in the cold.
     
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  29. ckparrothead

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    Hell, the BALLSIEST thing we've done with the QB position over this time period is what Spielman did, run a search on backup QBs that could be the next Tom Brady, find the one he thinks is THE guy, and then pay a "2nd round pick for a 3rd string QB". Remember that? Remember how ridiculous people thought that was? It was a risk, a gamble, and it didn't come up good for us but at least he was trying. I thought his mistake on that deal was really a matter of not opening up the scope of his considerations, his focus was too narrow...just the backup QBs in the league that had enough passes to get an evaluation of them. I believe he ended up with only 4 backup QBs that he ran through his system of grading to figure out which of the 4 was the next Tom Brady. He should have opened it up to include draft targets. Did he even consider trading up to try and steal Ben Rapistberger? How did he rate J.P. Losman? If he didn't rate him as a 1st round pick then I can understand that, I didn't either. But consider this, Kurt Warner was available as a free agent. So why not broaden the scope of his search to consider him?

    The mistake in 2004 was just one of picking the wrong guy. I'd rather make that mistake over, and over, and over, and over again...than be guilty of not being willing to take risks to satisfy the most important position in football.
     
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  30. uab_phin

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    I understand that we need to take more chances at the QB position, but is it not a concern at all that Chase Daniel was more successful in that system?
     
  31. Big Red

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    Could we get a copy of these posts to Jeff Ireland?! :up:
     
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  32. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    How would the much QB starved Arizona team not select a QB? They don't even have a henne or Thigpen.
     
  33. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    I addressed this in an earlier post.

    It depends on how they feel about John Skelton and Max Hall. If the Cards don't believe Gabbert is an upgrade then they won't draft him. Or they might just feel that Peterson, Amukamara, or Quinn are much better prospects and too good to pass up.

    Bottom line: I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardinals drafted Gabbert. But there's a fair chance they might not.
     
  34. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    You want them to play it safe like we have done for the last ten years? I hope they do. And I hope we start to take chances like others have suggested. Hopefully they haven't read CK's thoughts or post. They just may take a chance.
     
  35. rafael

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    I agree with the posts above that state that past errors are not arguments for trading up or not trading up for a QB this time. The question is whether or not the prospect is worth it. And I do think they have have taken lessons from past failures whether you agree with what they have learned is a different story. IMO they have probably concluded that a QB is important and that the QB should have the ability to extend the play on his own. My guess is that those conclusions make a prospect Like Gabbert less likely and prospects like Newton or Kaepernick more likely.
     
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  36. PhinsRDbest

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    All of the quarterbacks in this draft seem to need a few years before they can start. So the FO should identify the one the view has the most potential that they can develop and do what ever it takes to get him, if trading up is required to secure him then so be it.
     
  37. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    :lol: Yeah do what I say not what I do! :lol:

    I agree. Gabbert must prove to be worth the pick. But so far (and it's early in the process) he is worth it. But we should also incorporate some spread offense concepts if we draft Gabbert. It would benefit Brandon Marshall as well.

    Unlike years past we have a solid core of players. Jake Long, Brandon Marshall, Karlos Dansby, Cameron Wake, and Vontae Davis to name a few. It's time to take a risk on a QB.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    Chase Daniel's been playing that same system since high school. And he had a lot more talent to throw to. In Daniel's junior year he was throwing to Jeremy Maclin, Chase Coffman, Martin Rucker and Danario Alexander. This year, Blaine's only talented target is basically TE Michael Egnew. T.J. Moe might be a nice slot receiver down the road but he was a true freshman this year I believe and a QB convert.
     
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    Drew Brees' shoulder was supposed to finish him....

    Drop back in the first, get your second, with one of those use on Ponder.
     
  40. Big Red

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    IMO That would be a huge mistake. Ponder is not the next Drew Brees.
     

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