Well, Marshall is the kind of player you either love, or you hate, there is little middle ground with BM, he cost us 2 #2 picks and a huge contract, he also drew 2 flags for stupid stuff, he also led the nfl in drops with 12. But http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7868 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ChamCh00.htm He also had the first 1,000 yd season since Chris Chambers in 2005, he had the most receptions since..Chambers in 2005, he clearly was our most productive Wr since CC went off for 1k/11 TD's. But was he worth it now that he has one full season under his belt?
No, a "fraud" is someone or something that misrepresents who or what they are to gain an advantage over someone else, there was nothing that Marshall did in Miami in 2010 that he did not do in 07-09, save for staying out of trouble with the law. The drops, the antics, his production, all right about the same as in Denver, in fact if he did not miss 1.5 games he would have hit 100 catches and gained more yardage...but he missed 1 game on average in Denver as well.
That's my point and I'm not comparing to his time in Denver. I'm coming from the stance that Marshall is a top WR in the NFL because he is not. That my friend makes him a fraud. That said Marshall had 5.2 YAC & 10 TD's last season with the Broncos and 2.8 YAC & 3 TD's for the Dolphins. He slacked this season.
I've personally thought any talk of BM in top 3 or 5 as overrating him. But it's tough to say. Do we blame all our offensive woes on Brandon? Can we deal with the headache if our offense picks up? Brandon is a beast but we kind of had (in my opinion) guys that can rule 10-15 yards out. None of them are BM, obviously. He's the best at what he does. But I would have rather us reach for the high YPC guy. As of now,we really don't have that guy our closest was Hartline? Then the other question, even if we did get that guy, would we have utilized him correctly? When I question the value of the BM trade, I'm not saying it's BM's fault. We could have put Superman in there and probably end up with the same result. Long FG from the 50s
Did you happen to notice the offence was dreadful for 14 out of 16 games in 2010? I bring that up simply because BM produced what he normally did, save for TD's a certain #7 is to much of a ***** to throw the ball, through the air, and into the endzone, even Hartline complained about it, I bring that up simply because the Wr cannot throw the ball to themselves there is another part to that equation. As for "top wr", to me he is maybe a top 15 guy, but even then last yr's previous "Top Wr" Larry Fitzgerald had even less production than Marshall.
The fact that he got 1000 yards receiving with Henning calling plays, and Henne throwing to him is an accomplishment in of itself.
He had a 2.8 YAC average. That is pathetic yet you blame Henne. He also dropped passes which is Henne's fault too. Did Henne also make him toss the ball to Cutler and get the penalty or throw the ball to the sideline for another dumb penalty. I knew exactly where you were going with this thread. They all end up there anyhow.
He drew dummy penalties in Denver as well. You funny, BM had beast seasons with Cutler and Orton, no Wr has flourished under #7, you tell me.
No, he's not worth it. Now with him on the team, we run the risk of poisoning whatever young quarterback this team decides to draft. He is a malcontent that has no respect for anyone around him.
I know that you know football better than that Killahp, BM could be wide open 45 yds down the field, doesn't matter, Henne cannot hit that pass, BM could be wide open for a Fade or Jump in the Endzone..wouldn't matter, Henne doesn't throw those passes well. And what ever gave you the idea that I'd pissed at you for disagreeing with me? It is your view I'm merely stating reasons why I disagree with it.
I think Brandon Marshall is the least of our worries. He's a legitimate #1 WR. Improved scheme and QB play will improve his numbers tremendously.
I really wish that we would of sold the farm for Fitzgerald. Idk if it was an option last season, but he def looks like he's for sale now.
Have you ignored the fact that he has behaved this year? The worst thing he did was throw ONE mini *****-fit, oh and he changed the plays with Thiggy, then again Henning was a ****tard so I cant blame him for that.
Marshall has had off the field issues, but is there any evidence that he's a malcontent in the locker room? From everything I've read, the guy works tremendously hard. He met with Daboll the day he was hired.
Based on his taunting and other stupid penalties it sure looks like he could care less about what's best for the team.
If last season was considered a down season for him, then yes he's worth it. Because we all know what he can do, but everything on offense just fell apart so he had an obvious decline in numbers (which weren't bad numbers at all).
He was definitely worth it. Best production we have had out of a WR since 2005 (like padre said). Without Marshall, our WR corps would have been: Hartline-Bess-Moore-Wallace-Pruitt (given that we didn't go after a different WR instead of Marshall). If we can pick up a true #2 WR in FA or the draft and get a few more playmakers on offense, Marshall (and this offense) will be putting up some huge numbers. This offense excites me, honestly. Not to mention, because of the Marshall trade, we were able to trade down in the 1st last year, pick up a higher 2nd round pick, and draft two starters.
We could have traded down without the Marshall deal, kept our 2nd round pick last year, and still have our 2nd round pick this year. Instead, we have a selfish piece of crap who has no respect for anyone around him and is only interested in having individual success.
No doubt Marshall can probably be an asshat. Look at that penalty against the Bears when he threw the ball to Cutler. But its too early to tell if it was a bad move all together. In his defense you really can't judge him when you have a QB with the accuracy of a Flint rifile.
It looks like we are trading down anyways this year. to try and pick up a 2nd, so it wouldn't matter too much. Let's not forget this guy had 86 catches for 1000+ yards in 13 and a half games. That is pretty damn good, considering we had 3 different starting QBs this year, Hartline went down in week 11, and we had 2 rookie UDFAs activated as well. Our offense was a joke with all the injuries, lack of talent, and playcalling...yet he still puts up some great numbers.
He had 86 receptions and was targeted around 160 times on the year, so he barely caught half of the passes that were targeted to him. Yet, he still complains that the team isn't using him right and that they should just throw the ball up to him. Oh, our quarterbacks also threw more interceptions by trying to force him the ball to keep him happy than they did when they actually threw the ball to the open man.
He had 146 passes thrown his way, and came down with 86 catches. That's almost a 60% catch rate. How many of those throws were bad throws also? I would say he had close to a 65-70% catch rate on good throws. Again, with the lack of talent around him and the awful playcalling from Henning, Marshall still had a good season. Well worth the money we are paying him, imo.
No chance he's not worth it... and he ain't a fraud, lol. I would like to know how he ranked in drops per targets compared to others. Marshall was 4th in the league in targets per game. The other 3 were Wayne, RWhite, and Fitz. 2 of those 3 have much better QBs with better ball placement... and Fitz had a lower catch per target ratio at around only 50% (90 of 174) compared to Marshall (86 of 147). Fact is, Marshall had a better season at WR than we've had in a long time... while hurt. He's easily one of our best players. He was not the problem with our offense at all. Hell, most the time he was the only one doing anything. The only frustrations arose b/c the guys around him and the scheme he was playing in were garbage.
Our entire offense in the redzone was pathetic. Just sayin. And the random fades to Brian Hartline from the 3 yardline don't help either. Dan Henning was a moron down by the endzone.
That is completely incorrect KB. He was only targeted 147 times, and had a much better reception/target ratio than Fitz at 90/174... who was barely over 50% like you were talking about... But Fitz sucks too, right?
So why did we not see Marshall catch a ten yard pass break a couple of tackles and break it to the endzone. That is supposed to be the strength in his game. Instead he had a 2.8 YAC average. That number is pathetic too yet you are glowing from the 86 receptions. You would figure out of the 86 catches we would get a big play. Marshall is so over rated. Not arguing the Henning is an moron part.
He's pretty talented but I think I'd rather have Braylon Edwards, but that was based on what Marshall did last year. Next year may be a whole new ball game. He may flourish in the new offense.
Is Marshall worth it, absolutely! He is a wide receiver with great talent. Just about all WR's are divas, what did they expect when they traded for him. If this is true, I feel the Phins are stupid to promote Dorrell because he couldn't handle Marshall. If the job was too tough for him, get rid of him completely and find someone who can!
Marshall had 1000 yds even after missing 2 games. His td total wasn't near expectations but I have no doubt will be fine in 2011.
Before Marshall Bess...76 receptions for 758 yards with 2 tds Hartline...31 receptions for 506 yards with 4 tds.. 107 receptions for 1264 yards...6tds...32 games With Marshall Bess...79receptions for 820 yards with 5 tds Hartline..43 receptions for 615 yards..1 td...12 games 122 receptions for 1435 yards...6 tds....28 games Sorry but both Bess and Hartlines combined production has been better with Marshall than without
I think my favorite thing about Marshall was how he would drop balls right in his hands. I especially loved when it happened on third down killing drives. The guy is a lie. He is not a great WR. People buy into the hype and don't want to admit when they have been had. It's fuggin' hilarious.
I think it will be a better question after one more season but as of right now, no it wasn't really worth it. He has more ability than anybody we've had on the team in years but he was brought in to be a difference maker and he made no difference.
