Miami Herald: Phins passed on Tomlin for Cameron

Too Hip-hop?

Was he freestyling in the interview?

Another moronic decision by Waynes World, sadly we seem to STILL have issue on identifying who can coach in this league and who cant.

 

This is too painful to look at again. We passed over another fine coach because the FO people were racist.

 

At least within the article they are essentially admitting the stupidity of writing these articles every single damn year.

At that point Cameron was just as good a candidate as Tomlin. Cameron was offensive, Tomlin was defensive. Our offense sucked, hence Cameron.
Hindsight is 20/20.


Brees is a different story though...

 

It wouldn't be the 1st time Wayne was accused of that. His billion $ company Waste Management was devoid of anyone of color at the top levels, until just a couple of years ago.

 

Ummmmmm, our defense sucked too. Hence the reason we lost 7 games in the last 5 minutes in the 1-15 year, and lost 6 games by 3 or less points.

By the way, the DC that year was none other than Dom Capers, the DC of today's Super Bowl playing Green Bay Packers.

 

Thats true most of fans wanted the offensive minded coach and he just wasn't head coach material.Tomlin landed on a loaded steelers team with a frachise quarterback and a top 3 defence.I don't have a crystal ball but chances are he would not have had the same sucess here in miami.

 

Exactly our DC was Dom Capers.The highest paid DC at that point too. Why would we bring on another defensive mind?

 

You hire the best man out there, limiting yourself to an offensive or defensive guy is ridiculous. If Dom Capers is that **** important then make him the head coach. You're going to interview head coaches and ignore leadership qualities? I'll go on a limb here and say Tomlin is probably twice the leader that Cam is. Bill Cowher has been out of Pittsburgh for five years now. This is Mike Tomlin's team playing in the big game tonight.

 

Let me just pick that wound and add a little salt.

 

And to be honest with history, Capers interviewed for our HC position too, and was passed over for Cameron. It was said that Capers was pissed off about that and basically set up Cameron for failure that year with his schemes. You notice how fast he bolted after that season was over.

 

Cameron also inherited a CF of a team as opposed to Tomlin inheriting a team two years removed from the superbowl. A lot of the decisions we make are based on a molten foundation and knee jerk reactions. Hard to coach when you don't know what you have. Until the Dolphins develop some sort of consistency, you can plug in Bellichek and it won't get any better.

 

There I disagree, with Bellicheat we'd at least make the playoffs every year. Of that I have no doubt.

 

Steelers organization >>>>>>>>> Dolphins organization

You guys are delusional if you think the difference between a 1-15 season and a perennial SB team is the difference between Cam Cameron and Mike Tomlin. Not to take anything away from Tomlin, but he inherited a great situation. He's done an excellent job of keeping an excellent team/organization on the right track, but let's not pretend he would have turned the Dolphins around.

Cam Cameron inherited a bowl of lemons and he turned it into dog ****. Undoubtedly he could have done better, and I believe that Tomlin would have done better, but I don't prescribe to the theory that we were a Mike Tomlin away from a Cinderella turn around.

Say what you will about Parcells, but what he did in Miami had to be done. You may not agree with his blueprint for success, but at least he had a blueprint and he brought guys in to follow that blueprint. For the past 20 years we had been an organization that wasn't quite sure what kind of team we wanted to be - and it showed. Had we hired Tomlin that year he would have failed like those before him.

So, instead of thinking about this from the Dolphins' perspective, I think from Tomlin's perspective he should be extremely thankful that he was never offered the Dolphins job.

 

Fixed.

 

It's called the GM League. We do it every year. It's pretty fun and makes the offseason go by a little quicker.
http://forums.thephins.com/forumdisplay.php?90-2011-GM-League-Forum

 

Can anyone re-define the meaning of the term "Hip Hop?" I've heard it used hundreds of times but, NEVER did anyone say it was racist.

For something completely different and actually very dumb. Sam Shields, from "The U" was an undrafted FA. He wanted to play for our Phins.

In his interview, with Sparano, he was asked who the DB's coach was. He did not know, and Tony yelled that he had already failed his test. Shields is making plays, and is in the SB. Now, that was dumber than dumb.

 

There's a lot more that goes into winning a championship than the head coach. It takes the right culture, which starts at the very top. I find it quite ironic that Tomlin was interviewed in Pittsburgh to satisfy the Rooney rule, which leads to Tomlin leading the team to one super bowl title and perhaps another.

 

I think "Too hip hop" is code for "Too black"

 

Could'a...should'a...would'a.

It's so easy to sit back AFTER the fact and dissect every decision we've made with the proverbial, "We should have done this", "We could've done that". As it relates to this thread's title, I can remember how elated MANY were about the decision to hire Cam Cameron as Head Coach...how he was going to bring his high powered explosive offense from San Diego to Miami...how we were finally going to have an offense to balance our defense. Well, it didn't pan out that way and now we're whining like kids over the fact that Mike Tomlin, who is about to make his second Super Bowl appearance was a candidate that we interviewed and chose not to hire.

There's only one receint decision that I personally feel is easily dissectable in my opinion...choosing Daunte Culpepper over Drew Brees.

Right now there's coaching decisions being made during the offseason. As for the Dolphins, some of them we collectively have been scratching our heads, wondering why and other teams we're looking at enviously, wishing they were the decisions we made. But who's to know what coaching decisions are the BEST coaching decisions?

Would ANYONE have realitistically thought in today's NFL that a 34 year old "kid" (Compared to Belllichek, Fox, Dungy, Cowher, etc...) would in his second season as a head coach be a Super Bowl winning coach? I think if we look at this from an objective point of view, there's no way we could have forefseen Tomlin being a better choice than Cameron.

 

And if someone were to say "Too much Rock & Roll" would that be a code for "Too White?" LOL

I guess I need to buy a "Super Secret De-Coder Ring"

 

Honestly, the failure of the Cameron experiment should tell Dolfans worldwide that you don’t get a head coach based on whether or not he’s “offensive-minded” or “defensive-minded,” you get a head coach based on whether or not he can do the job. That’s what coordinators are for.

Just to reinforce the point, the 2007 coaching search team (Huizenga, Joe Bailey, and Brian Wiedmeyer) also interviewed and passed on John Harbaugh in favor of Cam Cameron in addition to dismissing Tomlin as “too hip-hop.” Honestly, I think that comment comes from Bailey.

 

well, **** me.

To think we could presently have Mike Tomlin coaching Drew Brees, and DeSean Jackson on offense, and Patrick Willis on defense... smh.

 

I wasn't trying to be politically correct. Code doesn't work that way and you know it.

Look at Tomlin on the sidelines. Does he look "Too hip hop?" I don't think so.

 

Not at all. People, in this day and age, are so starved for info that they many times take things out of context to say they have a "scoop," and something worthy of clicks. IMO, the comment means nothing. However, others may believe it to be a racist remark, well worth firing someone. Kind of silly. JMHO.

 

How great of a coach would Tomlin be without Dick LeBeau running the defense?, not to mention all the great players they have had since Tomlin took over for Cowher.

 

In what context is "Too Hip hop" acceptable or descriptive? What about Tomlin looks "Hip hop" to you?

 

Every coach has a winning attitude. Think about it. You've risen to the top of a profession
that has 32 positions availiable, worldwide.

It's a matter of being able to do the job.

Lookat Longstreet from the grey side of our Civil War.

He was magnificent handling a division....But handling a Corps was
beyond his ken. That's just how it works sometimes.

 

seriously though, Tomlin took over a Super Bowl caliber team. Cameron took over a team that had little and aging talent. It is a pointless arguement imo.

 

Now you are adding "looks" to the discussion, which was never mentioned. You added with absolutely no reason to do so. See how these things get out of hand? LOL

 

Yeah, most have forgotten the "That War." Others can never get over it.

 

Ok...What about Mike Tomlin "Seems" "Too hip hop" to you?

You know I'm right, but you just won't say it.

 

"The war" I think is the proper term. I was just making an allegory.

No need to be snippy.

 

Is there some rule I don't know about that this story has to be written about every 3 months? It happened 4 years ago. No one involved in the hiring of Cameron is even still involved with the Dolphins organization.

 

Perhaps the same reason Pittsburgh brought in Tomlin with Dick Labeau firmly entrenched. Heck, Tomlin is a Tampa 2 guy yet he was smart enough not to rock Labeau's 3-4 boat.

I think you hire a good coach first and foremost. A leader of men.

Cameron had previously failed as a college head coach. He was not a leader of men and that bore out during the season, with Joey Porter putting the nail in the coffin in front of the entire team.

Tomlin was my guy. And the Dolphins -- as an aside -- were dumb to re-up Capers before they'd hired a head coach. But that's what backward organizations do.

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Well keep in mind as well Mueller was entrenched at GM and had convinced Wayne H that all we needed to do was improve the offense and Capers could run the Defense well, Wayne H being Wayne H tried to make everyone happy and we know how it turned out.

 

I think Cameron is fine at his job as OC. There's no shame in it. He's one of the best in the world at what he does. But, an HC is a leader of men as you say...The lead dog. Tomlin is it. Cameron isn't.

 

.... I love black people...lol, so funny.. my two best friends are black, so I can say this... I wanted his black *** as my coach, lol....I lobbied hard..