Rodgers was absolutely fantastic. No one can dispute that fact. However, it took three TO's and a last minute play for his team to win. Big Ben was far from special but, had a shot with a minute left. Brady, Peyton, Vick, Brees, and many other "great QB's were sitting home as well. We may want to re-think some things.
Not sure what your getting at? Is it that you think a QB isnt a necessity to win/get to the Superbowl? Sure it happens once and a while when a team is so dominant in other areas that they can carry a decent QB, but overall the Better the QB the better chances you will win. Big Ben tossed two horrible interceptions, Arron Rodgers stepped up his game this year and removed any shadow of Brett Farve in Green Bay while in Miami Dan Marinos Ghost still haunts the locker room. Both Rodgers and Big Ben are in the top 5 QB's this year alone if not for the foreseeable future. We may want to rethink some things alright, and Henne will get another shot this year with a new system built around his strengths but without the engine the rest of the car won't cross the finish line.
Idc about any of that...I still want a good quarterback for once. Even if it isn't a necessity to win a title.
Why do people constantly want to take small aspects about successful teams and then inflate it into some sort of previously misunderstood but cosmically important point of emulation?
It was Rodgers who converted those turnovers into touchdowns. He is the primary reason they made it to the Super Bowl, and the reason they won it. The fact that we passed on him in favor of Ronnie Brown is the primary reason we weren't even in the playoffs.
Friend Dorfdad is right & so is Friend Gish. I would add: When your team is able to compete & consistently make the post season you better have that franchise QB if you want a shot @ the Superbowl or you're just not going, you can forget about it
Rodgers would have put up 45 if they didn't drop 6 passes,IMO. He also threw for 300 3td 0int against a Pitt team that KNEWhe was going to pass.Their running game was pretty much stuffed btw. What about Big Ben? Woodsen was out,Sheilds was in and out most of the second half(and he isn't all that).They also lost another DB,didn't they? What did Ben do to win that game? Not much,my friend. I'm starting to think Ben is overrated. Must be nice to have a D like that... I will not bring up every injury GB had to overcome all year to get that trophy. Let's just say Rodgers carried them when the team needed him to.
Last 10 superbowl winning qbs Brees Big ben Eli peyton brady brady johnson brady difler warner In 8-out of 10 the winning team had a franchise qb.The ravens had one of the greatest defences in history and the bucs pretty much had the raiders playbook. I would not bank on our defence ever being as good as the ravens.
Hard to believe the Dolphins beat the Packers this year while Rodgers was playing. Must have taken them a while to adjust the offense after losing Finley. Mad credit goes out to Dom Capers BTW. He is getting the most from that very talented defense. They are as loaded with talent (maybe more) as the 2002 Dolphins on defense. Jenkins, Raji, and Pickett are an absolutely nasty Dline. Their LBs are fierce and effective. Their secondary is one of, if not the best in the league. They score TDs on defense nearly every week. I really liked how they were willing to use the 2-4-5 nickle package even against the Steelers running game, and actually make plays in the backfield. Thats not easy to do.
No offense, but I think it's the logic that needs a little rethinking. Only two teams, and thus two starting quarterbacks, make it to the Superbowl. Therefore there has to be a slew of 'great' quarterbacks sitting at home. There were also a bunch of amazing running backs, wide receivers, linebackers, and punters watching the game on TV. I don't see how it proves anything.
The one thing that the Packers taught me this year is that when the Dolphins are poised to make a playoff run activate a rookie RB just before the end of the regular season so he'll be fresh for the playoffs where he'll inevitably run all over everyone.
There is no such thing as overrating a quarterback. There’s lots of underrating, though. Otto Graham gets a raw deal due to Jim Brown’s prominence. (I’d rather have Graham than Brown on my team, by the way.) Bart Starr is somehow ignored despite being the greatest playoff QB of all time. Terry Bradshaw? The Steelers don’t have a dynasty without him. Aaron Rodgers outplayed Ben Roethlisberger, and so the Packers won. That’s the NFL: when your quarterback is better than their quarterback, you win.
Is this thread for real? Arguably the best QB in the league right now won the superbowl and MVP and you're really trying to make the argument that the QB is overrated? Because of the turnovers? Wow. Talk about a stretch.
Mark Sanchez sent Peyton Manning home, then he sent Tom Brady home the next week. Brady, by the way, is 0-3 in his last 3 playoff games. He has losses to Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, & Sanchez, none of whom are remotely on his level. Its so much more complicated than just QB play. I think you're dumbing it down way too much.
IMO he's trying to explain that despite Rodgers playing out of his mind and Roethlisberger being average (as usual), the Steelers had the ball and a chance to drive down for the win. Point being, that superior QB play is important but not absolutely necessary. Anyone who sees the NY Jets already knows this. An elite QB can hide/make up for deficiencies elsewhere, just as an elite supporting cast can make up for deficiencies at QB. You're clowning him like he said punting on 1st down is the key to victory, when what he said was true, and pretty obvious.
Football is a team game. In fact, it is the ultimate team game. Quarterbacks are not overrated, but what is overrated is the attempt to use wins as a means of measuring how good a quarterback is. Take Aaron Rodgers away from Green Bay, and they aren't a Superbowl team. However, if you take Clay Matthews away or take Nick Collins away, they aren't a Superbowl team.
the only QB I would consider in this years draft would be Christian Ponder if he fell to the 4th round on Miami's watch
See, here’s what I hate about people who bring up Sanchez on this forum: you can’t win either way. Yeah, he’s not a great quarterback. Yeah, he’s a turnover machine during the regular season. But the guy plays noticeably better in the playoffs, and if you need proof of this, go watch that last drive against the Colts. The Colts defense isn’t great, but it’s better than most people are willing to give credit for, and Sanchez went right down the field against them to get into Dan Henning range in 40 seconds. Also helping the comparison is the fact that Manning usually sucks in the playoffs. Sanchez had a lower target to hit, and he hit it.
Ummmmm...wrong. First, I didn't bring up Sanchez, you did. You then claimed he outplayed Manning. He did not. You're trying to spin out of that statement now. And NOW you're going to try and pass off that Manning plays badly in the post season? Well...ummmmm...wrong again. Manning has better numbers in the playoffs than Brady. Or Big Ben. Or Marino. Or Elway. etc etc etc.
Never watched Martha Stewart. Is that a good show? Although I do not know the lady, I have to think she, or just about anyone else in this Country, could have come up with a better post. JMO/LOL.
Statistically, Manning had a much better game, with a 108.7 QBR to Sanchez's 62.4. However, with a chance to ice the game with 1:02 remaining, Manning threw incomplete on 3rd and 6 and Indy had to settle for a 50 yard FG. Conversely, with 29 seconds on the clock on a 2nd and 8 from the Indy 32, Sanchez threw an 18 yard completion to set up the winning FG. With the game on the line, Sanchez played better, regardless of the stat line. On the other hand, Sanchez statistically outplayed Rothlisberger in the AFCC game, posting a 102.2 QBR to Ben's paltry 35.5. But Ben made all the big plays that mattered, especially the 3rd and 6 pass for 14 yards with 2 minutes remaining. So even though the statistics are slanted heavily towards Sanchez, I think Ben played better. Sometimes you have to look at more than the stat line.
I was watching ESPN when Keyshawn and Hodge brought up the topic. Then a few friends and I kicked it around. We came up some other examples like Brady being 1-4 in his last 5 playoff games, and losing at home to Sanchez and Flacco. Then there was Sanchez having a QB rating of over 100, to Big Ben's 35 in a loss. Some guy named Calib Hanie having a slightly better rating (65 to 63) over Rogers in a loss to GB to get to the SB, and Da Bears getting that far with Cutler. The Saints getting to the SB by leading the league in TO's. Peyton not being able to overcome the lack of surrounding talent, etc. We came away thinking that the QB position may be somewhat overrated, and that you can win with a good, not great, QB. With the complexities of today's D's, the QB position is a whole lot tuffer that it used to be.
I think it really helps your cause to have an upper echelon QB, but history has shown you *can* win with an average QB.....and having an upper echelon QB doesn't quarantee anything. I m not being a wise guy, but the Marino led Dolphins are a perfect example.
It comes back to the old saying that QB's get too much credit and blame. D's and ST's give ya field position, which makes life a whole lot easier. Being able to run gives ya manageable 3rd downs to move the chains, and puts the D on the defensive.
The game is "on the line" at the first kick off. Manning played better than Sanchez. However, the JETS played better than the COLTS.
Disagreeing with you is an exercise in futility. Ok - Sanchez outplayed Brady (127.3 vs. 89.0) and Rothlisberger (102.2 vs. 35.5) in this year's playoffs and Palmer (139.4 vs. 58.3) last year. Record is 4-2. 95/157 60.5% completion percentage, 1,155 yards, 9 TD's, 3 INT's, QBR 94.3. I can live with that.
The run part is a little skewed too. GB ran the ball 11 times for a total of 50 yards. If we had done that in a game fans would want the entire Oline replaced,bring back Grove, Smiley and Thomas , fire the OC and such. Know what I mean ? A GREAT QB is not needed but a very good one, which is Rodgers, is the main ingredient on any good football team these days. Henne simply is not a good NFL QB. For what reason ? I am not sure but one would have to be blind watching Henne play and still think he is even a decent NFL QB. Hey, it happens, not all big time QBs work out in the NFL. One has to look no further then the Us Ken Dorsey. Won just about all there is to win in College and completely turned the opposite direction when he hit the NFL. This is our Chad Henne. What we saw last year is what you are going to get with Chad Henne, thats it. He is cheap enough to get another chance in summer camp. If there is any way this team can get some sort of DECENT verteran in here for camp then I will say it right now, Henne will not beat him out. Even if he does he will get benched again a third into the season, if it takes that long. The QB is the heart and soul of the offense. Watching every Chad Henne interview he looks like he has the heart and soul of a summer squash. Please, not directed at you either, do not give me this kid is a silent leader. He was benched for a reason, he was stinking up the joint. I would bet if you got the honest answers from the majority of the team, they would say they were happy to see Penny come in. Henne never was and still is not the answer to QB for the Miami Dolphins.
No, he didnt. The Jets' defense, ST units & running game outplayed the Colts' & Pats' defenses, ST units & running games. Sanchez was the beneficiary of that, as he was in 2009. The idea that December/January comes and this or that QB suddenly becomes a "clutch" or a "choker" is a figment of imaginations, both in the media and the general public.
C'mon man. Watch the drive again. You'll notice that Brad Smith returns the KO out to damn near midfield, meaning the Jets only need 25 yds or so to get into FG range. That's a huge play by their ST unit, similar to what happened to us on the last drive of the Steelers game this year. But I digress. So now the Jets have close to 2 mins to go 25 yds, which means they can run anything in their playbook. Run, short pass, deep pass etc. The Colts were then forced to crowd the LOS and leave their corners on an island vs vastly superior WRs. Problem is, the Colts are a Cover 2 team, with Cover 2 CBs, who are liabilities should they ever have to play man. On top of that, they IIRC they were down to their 3rd and 4th CBs due to injury, anyway. The Colts were also down to thier 3rd safety fter Bullitt went down. They had no chance vs Edwards and Holmes, regardless of who the QB was. Actually, Sanchez missed Edwards wide open for a TD a couple plays before he hit him on what was basically a jump ball. Congrats to Sanchez for having success, but saying he was "clutch" is a misrepresentation of what happened. QB play is important, more important than any other position. But to discount what Edwards, Holmes, Ferguson & Hunter (vs Freeney/Mathis), the running game, Brad Smith's KR etc did to make Sanchez' success possible is intellectual laziness IMO.
And trying to keep you on topic is also an exercise in futility. MANNING.....M-A-N-N-I-N-G....Manning played better than Sanchez. I haven't mentioned ONE thing about how Sanchez faired against Brady or Ben or Palmer.
