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Cam Newton

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I LOVE Aaron Rodgers game and would snap him up in a millisecond...
     
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  2. bamadolphin

    bamadolphin New Member

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    i would rather the dolphins trade back into the mid twenties and pick up a 2nd round pick in the process
     
  3. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    You made 6 points. I'm not sure ANY of them are based in fact, least of all:

    1) Bad mechanics. That's just absolute nonsense.
    2) Bad accuracy. Again, simply not true.

    It's a case of sheeplike follow what everyone else is saying. Sorry mate, but that's just baseless.
     
  4. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Again, you're clearly someone who wouldn't know an NFL type throw if it came up behind you and slapped your asss. I saw 11 of Newton's games this past season and saw plenty of NFL throws. He's far more advanced than Vince Young and to say all that happened was his receivers made "lucky plays".....please. Actually watch the guy.
     
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  5. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Aaron Rodgers is probably bettered only in the league by Tom Brady at this point. He's as accurate as any QB I've sen in the NFL in the past 15 years, he throws the best deep ball in the NFL, he is intelligent, has great pocket ability, can extend the play with his feet, has touch and he wins.

    Not sure what else there is to say.
     
  6. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    This is why(in my dreams) I would rather have Rodgers than Brady.
     
  7. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Like Ditka said , going forward , Rodgers would be the guy I would build from personally , age being the consideration with Brady.

    So TOUUGH to repeat , but GB has a chance pull a NE here the next several years , a real good chance.
     
  8. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    wow, just wow. I never said **** about him being black and it offends me that you would insinuate that there was racism behind my comment. My comment was based on the facts. He has integrity issues: stolen laptop, was getting kicked out of UF for bad grades, the getting paid to play issue. How many second chances does a guy get? Can we now discuss this without making it a racial issue, because clearly it is not...
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    well was 18. 18 year olds are morons.
     
  10. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    I would really like to know how good the guy is as a football player
    could Cam Newton possibly be our next franchise QB?
    if he is not the one to get it done for the Dolphins then I see nothing
    in this draft worth taking a gamble on @ QB in the first round.

    "let he who hath not sinned caste the first stone"

    are these really issues? rape is an issue. youthful indiscretions are not issues.
    poverty & working the system to survive are not issues, they are an ugly reality

    I want Ireland & crew to go over this guy with a fine tooth comb
    if he's the real deal
    then he's the only deal in the first round of 2011 for Miami @ QB

    are you sure he's black? thought he was a Polynesian :yes: we need more Polynesians, Polynesian is a good thing
     
  11. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    We aren't drafting Boy Scouts .... of course character is and should be an issue , but TONS of elite players have made severe mistakes , so far Newton hasn't made any ( that we know of ) that automatically disqualify him....

    Besides a lot of rogues were Boy Scouts , including Keith Richards !
     
  12. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Jesus, can you actually write something legibly so we can read it?

    I mean seriously, what is the point of the colours and different font sizes? I assume you want to engage in a serious debate about Cameron Newton and the QB position of the Dolphins. The least you can do is write your points out so that it doesn't look like something my daughter would do.
     
  13. Boomer

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    Researching deeply the background of draft eligible prospects for thsis draft, if cheating on tests and stealing a lap top is Cam Newton's greatest crime, then there's really not that much to get irate about. Lot of players coming out have done a lot worse. But because it's Newton it gets blown well out of proportion.

    And the bottom line is - and this is a general point, not a dig at you in anyway - but if Newton was white, these things would barely register. When it all comes out in the wash, what Ryan Mallett has done in his past is far, far worse than anything Newton could have done. Yet everyone carries on happily and doesn't go near the elephant in the room. Almost certainly because Mallett is white.
     
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  14. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    On another note , Newton has selected Bus Cook as his agent and apparently #4 may be taking some "interest" in Newton . Have you heard anything about that Boomer?
     
  15. Boomer

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    Not really mate. Bus is a good agent and he could have done a lot worse. Fundamentally Brett Favre is a good guy, so it can't hurt. It will be interesting to see him throw for the media on Friday as he and George Whitfield have been working hard on sharpening up the footwork which was the one downside when he throws.
     
  16. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    He could do worse tha have Favre help with some NFL intricacies , and the negative response to working on what he realizes he needs to baffles me... punish a guy for being dilligent and working on getting better.
     
  17. SICK

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    any chance newton falls to 15 boom? if not, you really see our front office trading up to get him?
     
  18. rafael

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    I cant speak for anybody else, but the Mallet rumors are a big part of why I don't think he's worth a 1st round pick. I also don't like his sporadic accuracy and his decision making under pressure, but the character issues matter to me far more than Newton's. In Mallet's case not only are they more grievous, but they also seem to be representative of his personality. There were/are rumors that his team mates didn't see him as a leader. I see far too much Ryan Leaf in Mallet for my taste.

    As for Newton, I do consider stealing and cheating to be red flags. I also don't like the father influence in that relationship. I am somewhat mollified b/c he does seem like the leader of that team. And I do think it's possible that most of those were mistakes of youth rather than indicative of future problems. But I also don't discount them as nothing.
     
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  19. Boomer

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    Hey Chris......he could mate. Still SO MUCH to play out yet. Combine, interviews, workouts, etc. For the juniors there's double the trouble in trying to prove you belong. I know talent evaluators who think NO QB's should go in round 1 and I know some who think Gabbert should be #1 overall. I know that Wes Bunting thinks Christian Ponder is a 1st rounder and is the #2 overall QB and I know Chris thinks TJ Yates is a lot better than most other evaluators.

    He could is the short answer.

    The longer answer is this: of all the misinformation in this thread generally, the one likely fact is that I don't think Cam Newton is necessarily a year 1 starter. With that in mind and given the precipitous situation of GM and coach, regardless of any contract extensions, is that what they do? I suspect they try and trade down and get two players; one is Mark Ingram and the other is either Mike Pouncey or Stefan Wisniewski. If Miami dealt down to say 25 and got in the 2nd round game early and STILL managed to come away with Ingram and one of those 2 linemen, then that would be akin to daylight robbery because barring injury, all 3 are day 1 starters.
     
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  20. Boomer

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    Good points well made Raf.

    I know THIS about Newton:

    1) His teammates LOVE him.
    2) So do his coaches
    3) I've dug around a bit as my big concern was how much does he want it given all his success. Apparently he's first in, last out every day.

    So whatever's happened in the past, you can't change that. But I see a kid willing to do what it takes to change the future.
     
  21. padre31

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    Problem is though, this time of year there are tons of false flags and smoke screens put out for public consumption often times by teams in the draft process.


    The thing with Newton is I doubt he lasts until #15, his upside is Randal Cunningham like, who is going to pass on taking that shot to have a once a decade Qb?

    The NFL talent acquisition system is such a slave to physical talent, if Newton comes in at a ripped 255 pds and runs a 4.55 and makes the throws at the Combine, a Top 10 team will draft him, if they don't how would he make it past the Vikings?

    Personally I think Carson Palmer is traded, if possible, and the Bengals take him as they have no qualms at using Top 10 picks on less than solid citizen types.
     
  22. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I just watched some Josh Freeman highlights and that's who Newton reminds me of. I do believe that Newton should sit for at least the first year. And if I were the Dolphins I wouldn't care about the fan base's impatience. I would put some more explosive offensive weapons around Henne or another stop gap vet and with an improving defense and an OC who actually tailored the offense to its talent that's enough to make the playoffs and maybe even a run at a title. That being said I don't expect Newton to make it anywhere near 15.
     
  23. rafael

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    Thanks. IMO that's one of the biggest keys to whether or not he will be successful.


    Those rumors have been around for a while (at least the leadership questions). I don't see them as part of draft smoke.
     
  24. Boomer

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    Friend Boomer:
    love your Simon routine
    howeverr
    never a good thing to post a poster
    nor to bring family into a post
    if my posting annoys you
    use your ignore button
    I would never take offense
    p.s. I enjoy your posts immensely (when they are on target) you're one of my favorites on the forum
     
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  25. Boomer

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    The Ryan Mallett stuff that Chris found out about at the Shrine Game is well beyond smoke.
     
  26. padre31

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    Recall what was said about Marino prior to the 83 draft?
     
  27. Desides

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    I think of Newton as more like Ben Roethlisberger than Josh Freeman, but otherwise, agreed completely.
     
  28. M1NDCRlME

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    Were Mallett's or Newton's moms ever prostitutes? That is the question that must be asked. jk
     
  29. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    it is what it is, nothing more.
    posting is not my job, it is my enjoyment & I do it my way.
    no one is obliged to read a post. everyone is obliged to follow forum rules
    think about it
     
  30. dolfan22

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    I see some Josh Freeman in his game as well , and have said that for a while.

    If I am Miami , owner , gm , whatever , I too don't over worry impatience from the fan base , as long as I truly believe we are on the right track , and I let the fans know that. As I have been saying for too long , short term pain for long term gain.

    I also don't think Newton lasts till anywhere near 15 , but I would not rule out moving to get him at all.
     
  31. dolfan22

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    I do...
     
  32. padre31

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    Yep, the difference being Marino did play all 4 yrs at Pitt, Mallet has bounced around, Adam Kaplan said he would not be surprised to see him slide into the 3rd rd, which would be fine by me we'd have another shot at drafting him.

    I rarely see a Qb and like them as I'm more of a Defense/ST/Offense working together sort of fan, but Mallet seems to me to be the good sort of cocky, I like his skillset and physicality.

    I also tend to think he is a pocket wussy right now simply because everything has been given to him, if he slides in the draft that maybe is the chip on his shoulder that he requires to get over it.
     
  33. rafael

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    I expect that in the end that won't even be an option. Realistically, we don't have the ammo to get above #8. My guess is that he'll be gone by then unless you convince him to knock off a liquor store between now and the draft.
     
  34. GARDENHEAD

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    Boomer, thank you for being more eloquent than I am. MINDCRIME, please read this post by Boomer once again. It would be nice if everything didn't have racial overtones, but unfortunately, usually things like this do. The pure hate and bile shown towards Cam Newton during his Senior year from SEC fans has been disgusting. I've seen it up close and personal as a Louisianian.

    Furthermore, any criticism of Newton that claims he's got bad mechanics, bad accuracy, and does not have the intelligence to read defenses is code for "black guy who relies on his natural talents to get by". When in reality, Cam has displayed none of those flaws.
     
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  35. Fishweiser

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    One thing to note, Everybody says he "stole" a laptop. He supposedly didnt steal anything.....He bought a 1000 dollar laptop for $120 bucks from somebody selling electronics from the back of his car. He was then arrested for possesion of stolen goods......... At least thats how it was explained on several pregame show interviews and discussions. I dont know if the gameday shows were wrong, or if it just eventually mutated into "he stole a laptop" because it sounds more increminating, which in turn helps feed the wolves who were just hungry to bring Cam Newton down......
     
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  36. padre31

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    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/college/cam-newton-lame-laptop-thief

    Well, the charges wound up being dropped, I'd say this is more a college age indiscretion than some sort of act of malice on Newton's part, the academic fraud stuff bothers me more as it shows a lack of mental discipline and that is one thing a NFL Qb has to have to succeed long term.

    A guy doesn't have to be a Rhodes Scholar, in fact that could be a detriment, but he does have to do the work at being a professional Qb, there is no way around that being a prerequisite.
     
  37. dolfan22

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    I don't know , I think if we want to bad enough , we can move up. For me , that is a defeatist point of view if the organization approaches it that way. Who knows how they will of course ,but they have the ability , pick wise , player wise to make it happen.

    On a side note , this morning Chris Mortensen was saying he thinks Mallet rises and in the end the negatives being stated don't affect that he is a high number one. He also said he heard that Newton has been impressive from scouts , fwiw.
     
  38. Killerphins

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    Ironic how the value of these QB's continues to be inflated by the media as the draft gets closer. Everyone loves a QB heavy draft. Especially the NFL and it's bean counters. :wink2:
     
  39. dolfan22

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    And fans of teams that don't have QB's , as you can't really win without them ..... sigh..... 1985
     
  40. padre31

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    Oh, a team can win the other way "we will run the ball/play defense/outstanding special teams" but results are inconsistent to say the least, and it is just flat out hard as everything else has to work to make up for being lame in the passing game.
     

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