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Gabbert has to be the pick

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Big Red, Jan 28, 2011.

Who should the Dolphins draft in the 1st round?

  1. QB

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  2. RB

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  3. WR

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  4. Center

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  5. Trade back and get another pick

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Ponder is a good player though. The more I see him healthy, the more I like. I'm with Wes Bunting on that one. I liked Ponder way back, heading into the year. I thought he was definitely one of the top seniors, probably THE top senior (because I was skeptical of Locker), and even a 1st round possibility.

    If I'm predicting WORST case scenarios where the Dolphins don't get a crack at Gabbert, Newton or Mallett at #15 (or in a trade up), then I have to start thinking about the next group of possibilities. And if Gabbert, Newton and Mallett were imperfect options to begin with, the next wave are even farther from perfect. If you miss on the 1st round guys and someone like Carson Palmer ends up not truly possible, then I would be looking at whoever is available among Ponder, Kaepernick and Yates in the 3rd round...and then after the Draft, I'd look toward a smart acquisition. If one of the reasons we don't get a crack at Newton/Gabbert/Mallett is because the Bills went ahead and took someone at #3, I'm inquiring about a trade for Ryan Fitzpatrick. I would rather have him than Kevin Kolb. Whether I would take Fitzpatrick or Orton, is still a little more up in the air for me, but I don't think Denver will be parting with Orton easily until Tebow actually pans out...and that puts Fitzpatrick on deck, especially if Gailey is able to sign Thigpen in free agency.

    I would hate it, but if you don't get a crack at a franchise guy, heading into the season with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Christian Ponder would be a...I guess the best word is VALID...consolation prize.
     
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  2. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    AMERICA!

    Mistake or huge gamble? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
     
  3. CD13

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    So what do they do ? No second round pick, don't want to reach with the first pick, assuming top 3 are gone, which I think they will be.
     
  4. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Have some conviction and trade up.
     
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  5. rafael

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    Not trading up could be evidence of conviction as well.
     
  6. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe, but if not now, when?

    If a team can't find something they like in the top 3 guys (who I feel are far superior to the 2nd tier of Ponder, Kaepernick, etc.) who have varied skill sets, then I have to question what it is they are looking for in the position and if they will ever find it.

    If the biggest reason not to take a guy or trade up is that he isn't as good as Andrew Luck then you will never be drafting or trading for a 1st round QB.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'd rather take a gamble on a guy and have him turn out to not be very good, than pass on a guy and have him turn out to be good for someone else.
     
  8. dolfan22

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    Perhaps , it may also be an indication this organization is till not assertive enough when it needs to be.

    They could chose to be safe , the problem is no one is going to tell the public what Miami believes as far as rating QB's.
     
  9. rafael

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    IMO it still comes down to your evaluation. It seems to me that many want to take a 1st round QB regardless and that's a bad gamble. IMO there are two QBs in this draft that deserve 1st round grades (Gabbert and Newton). So I have a conviction about all four potential 1st round QBs, but whether I trade up or would reflect different parts of that conviction. I think it's fantasy to think we have enough ammo to get above pick #8. I also expect that at least one if not both of those two goes in the top 7. So the issue becomes whether either of the two QBs I have positive convictions about fall past #7. If they don't then I would demonstrate my conviction by not selecting either of the other two 1st round QBs.
     
  10. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    Conviction. That's a good word. Our front office hasn't had enough conviction to pull the trigger on a QB in the 1st round since 1983. That's 27 years. LONG time.
     
  11. rafael

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    But depending on how the draft plays out this year, not taking a QB may be the right call and indicative of having a conviction that neither Locker nor Mallet is the right guy. I completely get that Wanny didn't value the QB position enough and in fact I ripped him for it repeatedly. That has nothing whatsoever to do with this regimes' conviction about the QB position. I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that if Gabbert and Newton are taken early and the Dolphins don't take Locker or Mallett that it's b/c they lack conviction.
     
  12. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    This is the same regime that passed on Matt Ryan. Change that one pick and this year's draft has a completely different feel. We'd be looking at Castonzo, Smith, or Solder instead of Gabbert, Newton, or Mallett.
     
  13. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I don't think so. I think Ryan would have looked very similar to Henne in our system. So change that one pick and we're probably asking the same QB questions.
     
  14. Big Red

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    Agree to disagree. :knucks:
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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    I'd guess Ryan would be closer to Pennington, sans the dangling arm.
     
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  16. rafael

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    Ryan has had the benefit of #1 WR, receiving TE and a good running game as well as play calling that protected him early. The result has been a QB that completes about 61% of his passes for about 6.5 YPA and an 87 - 91 QBR (it was a bit lower his second year starting but that often happens). Henne, for about half this year was completing about 62% of his passes for about 6.7 YPA and an 85 QBR before he lost the only element of the offense that stretched the D at all. That was without the benefit of the same level of run support, a receiving TE and decent play calling. IMO Ryan is and will be the better QB, but play action without a running game is a disaster for any QB, as we saw Peyton struggle with the same problems. Its practically a no-win situation for a young QB unless he has incredible ability to extend the play or is just deadly accurate. Ryan is better than Henne at both of those, but he's nowhere near good enough to have overcome that situation. Our impatient fan base would be calling for his head.
     
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  17. jim1

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    Good to see the positive comments on Ponder- this is my target in this draft, the guy who I'll be following. I think that he's very underrated right now, but not as bad as he was before the Senior Bowl. He's close to the total package imo. I kind of like the TCU QB as well, can't remember his name. I saw Jake Locker in that ESPN QB challenge thing- dude loked awful, sloppy mechanics and just horrendous accuracy. Still like Carimi and Clay from Wisconsin, keeping an eye on the other Pouncy from UF.
     

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