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Chad Henne better than you might think

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan7171, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. Buckeyetroop

    Buckeyetroop Active Member

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    Just can't help yourself huh? And I ask you again, what current NFL team has YOU on their bankroll? I know, you know more than career NFL coaches and talent evaluators, that's why you're on a public message board throwing insults every chance you get. Fantasy Football King! Quit stalking me please. Haven't you been exposed on here enough?
     
  2. Ozzy

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  3. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :lol:

    Just wanted to remind you not to get ahead of yourself cause Henne will get another shot. I'll take Ireland's word over yours when it comes to Henne thanks.

    Exposed? I nearly pissed myself with laughter.

    It's a free world I'll respond to what I want. Who made you the internet police? :pointlol:
     
  4. Ozzy

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    I'd love to know how your eye was trained any better or different that the majority of people on a message board?

    At times you can seem like a pretty smart individual then there are times like these that are head scratchers......
     
  5. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    Chad Henne threw 3 touchdowns in his final game at Michigan. He hasn't done that since.

    January 1, 2008. 3 years and counting.
     
  6. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Not my eye bro. Henne is still the Dolphins QB so obviously they still have faith in him. I was reinforcing that but your right it didn't take a trained eye to see that Henning and Lee were a disaster for a young QB. Some don't get that at all and put it all on the player.
     
  7. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Yes, Henning did not do Henne any favors but Henne also screwed up plenty enough to make one wonder if it was all on his coaches...

    It's what the trained or untrained will not know until it's either good or too late..
     
  8. Buckeyetroop

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  9. GMJohnson

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    Grown Folks talkin here. Pipe down.
     
  10. Ozzy

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    Grown folks? I have a tough time thinking you're involved ...
     
  11. GMJohnson

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    I'm guessing you saw all of the posts I made about the topic in the OP, but you ignored them, as usual. Like I said weeks ago, you dont know the game, and once the discussion gets to a certain level you cant keep up. That's when you resort to the what you do know, pots, pans, and assorted cooking utensils. You don't seem to know much football, but I bet you're a stalwart in the kitchen :wink2:.
     
  12. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    See I knew I could get some insults out of you. Now you can stop trying to BS anyone here into thinking you're a civil poster.

    Just for your information, it is a far cry better to give an insulting opinion about a player than it is to a member of this site. As long as the insult was in line.


    As for football Mr. Genius, I have forgot more football than you'll probably ever know.
     
  13. Ozzy

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    Now, that is funny. Not laughing at anyone in particular but man.......thanks for the laugh.
     
  14. Buckeyetroop

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    Glad I could help.
     
  15. JMHPhin

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    I think Henne season was the result of many factors including Henne himself. If Daboll is the qb coach we think he is based on Penny, then it will be interesting if he can take Henne pre 10 and work from there. Let him compete, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
     
  16. finserg

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    I dont thing what he has now coming is any better.Hopefully im wrong
     
  17. Killerphins

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    The plan and direction should be quite different. Will the result as far as offensive production be positive?
    We'll find out soon enough.
     
  18. GMJohnson

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    IMO the next few months will tell us a lot. Are we committed to Henne? Are we drafting a guy? Trading for/signing a Vet? We already know what the brass thought of Henning, they tried to fire Sparano and failed. What we don't know is how they feel about Henne, and whether or not Ireland & Sparano are on the same page.
     
  19. Killerphins

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    It's true. It could be complete bedlam.
    If Sparano values his career now he has to get his concessions in order.
    He was Henning's enabler and took up for him as ugly and respectful as it was.
    Gave Tony a little more leeway in the draft . Damage control. Scares the piss out of me.
    I'm just trying to stay positive with the new OC developing the QB that is currently tops on the list. :up:
     
  20. Nappy Roots

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    Good post!
     
  21. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I'd still take Henne over the clown in your sig.
     
  22. GMJohnson

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    My thoughts exactly. I've NEVER EVER EVA seen a HC so visibly pleased after good drives stall and end in 40 yd FGs over and over and over. The guy seemed more psyched about 3 pts than 6 IMO. In any case, the word has pretty much been put out from Ross himself: No more conservatism, we want an exciting, attacking style offense. Ireland's comments have been in line with that also. He's been coy about QB plans, but made no secret about acquiring speed and playmakers so I with you, trying to be positive about the situation. Easier said than done around these parts though :lol:.
     
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  23. Robert Horry

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    Obviously Henning didn't like Henne at all. Taking him out for the wildcat regularly, telling the media he's worried about how much his QB can hurt him rather than help him, etc...

    I cannot fathom how a QB who can sling the rock 30 yards downfield on a frozen rope to the exact spot for 5 years including his rookie year just suddenly stops it his sophomore year. I don't understand why Henne who uses his weight to transfer from his back foot to the front of his body in all of his throws the past 5 years decides to suddenly throw off his back foot this past year on every route, even rifled routes. I can't understand how a QB who loves to throw the ball into tight windows and areas the past 5 years just suddenly decides to not even throw a ball to a player who has 2 yards of free space around him.

    What you saw was a player who was in the middle of terrible QB coaching.

    Let me give you an example. Theres something in football that Quarterbacks most of the time (unless your Aaron Rodgers) need to effectively do in their throws, and that is weight transfer. Weight transfer gives the quarterback to make throws they want to make with the right velocity,distance, accuracy, etc. One of the first things that should be noticed is the QB's weight transfer. You want to make sure he's stepping into his throws and there is a forward weight transfer. You don't want QBs throwing flat-footed or with a backwards weight transfer or no weight transfer at all. If you get any of the latter, you get a wounded duck, a one-hop throw, a pass way too short, or even way overthrown. You also don't want QBs stepping in a direction other than the direction they want to throw. The next thing that has to happen with the throw is that the arm must be in sync with the body and the weight transfer.

    Henne in his first year starting had good weight transfer on many of his throws. The stepping was in the right direction and his arm was in sync with the body and weight transfer as well.

    Then his second year? He had terrible weight transfer throughout the season. It wasn't good at all. It certainly has to do with your trust in your offensive line to think you will be protected when you weight transfer in the pocket, but it has to do with coaching as welll. But as a result we saw throws that one hopped on 5-10 yard outs. Throws that had one hopped or fell extremely short on 10 yard curls. Throws Henne made last year.

    he did well against the blitz when his wideouts can get off the press and get open in ample time. Last year? Did well against blitzes when teams tried to blitz him. This year? When teams blitzed him at the beginning he was able to go to Marshall consistently or Bess. Towards the middle and latter? Teams knew that when you blitz the Dolphins, you bracket Bess and or double team Marshall against a beat up o-line. The Dolphins had 3 bums that couldn't get open if 10000 bilions dollars depended on it agains the blitz. Then you had Ricky and Ronnie deciding to miss block and Henne calling out the wrong protection on some plays. Beating pressure and blitzes is just as much as the WRs/RBs/O-line as it is the QB. In fact once the play is hiked I believe its more of the WRs than the QBs as they have to identify they are the hot read and know where to sit or be.

    Henne did poorly this year I agree, but on the other hand I haven't seen in quite some time an inexperienced QB get as little help as possible as he did from his surrounding cast and coaching. Whether it be having two old RBs with no open space ability or burst, a TE that is adequate at route running but has no seam-busting ability, absolutely the worst depth at TE (Although Shuler is a decent prospect), One WR he had good chemistry with (Bess) and another he was building it with until he got out for the season (Hartline), a Dive WR he had no chemistry with, and 2 BUMS in Wallace and Moore that he had no chemistry with. You put on top of that zero speed at any position to break cushioning against DBs and give the QB space to throw to with a beat-up inexperienced O-Line, it was a disgusting sight to see. You add into the top a tight, no-mistake, predictable offense with Henne's penchant for throwing conservative picks is a recipe for disaster. He had like minimal "actual Henne mistakes" and more conservative picks.

    I want him to have an offense which is actually viable without a QB who has a 150+ IQ and is a genius in every facet of deciphering defenses. One that allows shots down the field multiple times per game. One that creates spacing with explosive skills players...etc...

    The problem with Henne is that he has stone feet and an inability to extend plays. To top it off he has inconsistent ball location. How do you negate these flaws? Well for one you get an efficient and good offensive line to buy Henne time in the pocket. Henne CAN beat the blitz provided his players get off the press and he gets adequate time from the snap. For the ball location issues, you get Henne a spacing offense where levels are divided by route combos and misdirections. Henne needs an offense that has wideouts at each level and creating space for him to throw the ball into.

    I'm not saying we will do that, but those are some of the issues that he faces. He faces others too though.
     
  24. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Hmm...you wanna show me where I've been a "Henne basher?" Go ahead. Give it a shot. I'll wait.
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I wasn't challenged on it. I was given a one-liner passive aggressive insult.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The coach who fists pumps at a field goal, also runs down all the way, and celebrates like a mad man when there is a touchdown. Sparano is an emotional coach who celebrates scoring points.

    This whole, "fist pump" thing is one of the most embarrassing thing I have ever witnessed as a fan. "Oh my gawd, the coach gets happy after field goals, he sucks." "Why does he clap after drive stalls."

    Seriously, folks?
     
  27. GMJohnson

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    The only FGs that a HC should be happy about are ones in OT or in the last seconds of a game. A HC should never be happy about reaching scoring range and failing to score a TD. IMO.

    Second, it goes much deeper than just FGs & TDs, I said as much in the post but clearly you chose to ignore the context of my post & zero in on the sentence of your choice. Our offense as a whole was poorly designed & overly conservative. It was slow to respond to tactical adjustments by opposing defenses. It placed to much responsibility on the QB, while simultaneously handcuffing him and schematically forcing him out of his comfort zone. The ill timed WC plays, the completely useless play action fakes, the end of the 2nd Buffalo game was enough to get any OC fired, criminal negligence in my book. The play calls and the players didnt match. There was no discernible effort to get Chad Henne into rhythm early, or Marshall involved for that matter. Incognito was used as a pulling guard a million times, a role he is ill suited for. Attention to detail was lacking, in playfakes from the QB, run fakes from RBS, our OL never sold playfakes either. Henne never developed a hard count, an essential tool in preventing sacks and negative plays. With a lead late in games, Henne would snap the ball with 8-10 seconds on the play clock, WHY? How many times did opposing defenders jump into the neutral zone while our OL sat completely still? All across the league, OL are drawing 5 yd penalties in that spot, while our OL behaved as if they were unaware of the rule change. All of these things point to bad, lackadaisical coaching and players. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but at times it looked as though the OC was sabotaging the offense, a protest against the benching of Pennington perhaps? I don't know. But the way the offense was run was noticeably awful, even for casual observers.

    My heart wants to put it all on Henning. But my head says different. How could any HC see these things happening and never step in? If Sparano allowed this to go on, he deserves to be fired. If he stepped in to fix it & couldn't, he deserves to be fired. IMO he only has a job here b/c he remains popular in the locker room & b/c we couldn't land an upgrade. I hope for the team's sake & for Sparano, that the problems on offense are addressed, both coaching and talent wise. If not, it''ll be another season of battling to stay ahead of Buffalo in the standings while barely showing up in the rear view mirror of the Pats & Jets.
     
  28. GMJohnson

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    "No, I'd say he's just about as bad as I think he is."

    This^^^. Negative comments about the QB, with not even a token attempt to address the OP or the article that inspired it. If an opposing teams' fan did as much they'd be (rightfully) called a troll. But go ahead, bash away man, it's your right as a member. But you will be called out for it.
     
  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I did not ignore it, I did not think it mattered after the first crazy part. Looking at what I bolded, that is crazy. Coaches should be happy about scoring, period. They are not fans sitting at home with their beer, like all of us. Points are points.

    It doesn't matter the context, it just shows that even the great GMJohnson can make simple fan mistakes like slamming a coach for fist pumps for field goals.

    I never agreed that the offense was overly conservative. I only thought it was conservative when the team had a lead. Fans like to call the offense conservative when they run on 3rd and 2 or throw the ball twice in the endzone, but run the ball once.

    The question no one can answer is how much was the offense shackled by the offensive game plan and how much was it shackled by having Henne as the quarterback. No one can answer because no one really knows. Myself I put it more on Henne than on the OC and the head coach. The rumors at the start, middle and the end of the season coupled with the track record of the coaches is what I use to back up my claim. Plus the watching and just seeing a quarterback who is not getting it and playing very inconsistant.
     
  30. HULKFish

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    I'm for Henne and an eternal optimist. I believe Henne will take a step forward with this Daboll guy who hung around Brady for a while. Not only that but I believe he beats out whatever competition is brought in... Marino even said they shouldn't give up on him. What other opinion do you need???
     
  31. GMJohnson

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    Are you kidding? Points are not points. A TD is 6, a FG is 3. When your K is booting 5 FGs in back to back games, there is something wrong w/ your offense. Settling for FGs was a major factor in losing to the Jets, Steelers & Bills, all at home, and nearly losing to Cincinnati.

    Calling me great is superflous, whatta you think the "G" stands for? Duh. :shifty:
    Who are these fans? And why did i spend 10 minutes explaining myself only for you to substitute it for what some random fans said?

    What rumors? What track record? You're placing the bulk of the blame on the young QB? Not the coaches, or the OL, or the RBs, or the TEs & WRs. On the QB. Wow.

    You're wrong that it cant be answered. It can, just not by us. The OC was let go, no press conference, no Movado for good service. In fact, his departure was leaked before the season was even over. What better answer is there? That is, IMO, why Henning started trashing players (Bess & Henne especially) in the press late in the year. We tried to replace Sparano, with Harbaugh, and who knows who else. What better answer is there? Meanwhile Henne is still on the team. Time will tell whether he's viewed as part of the problem or the solution. But when the season ended, one of the first things Ireland did was get rid of Henning and try to find a new HC, so apparently he disagrees with your "claim".
     
  32. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Ah, so you have NO IDEA what my thoughts on Chad Henne are and are just exhibiting a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
     
  33. GMJohnson

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    No one has any idea b/c you refuse to say anything substantive. My guess is that any day now you're going to stop with the silly one-liners and actually address the OP. I have faith in you. Maybe.
     
  34. Rick 1966

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    If you paid attention to other threads through the last two years, you'd know what I thought of Chad Henne and you wouldn't sound like a drowning fish.
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    Thanks for the tip. But if you're not willing to share your thoughts in THIS thread, then why bother saying anything at all? Surely you don't expect anyone to spend time out of their day researching how bad Rick1966 thinks Chad Henne is. On the other hand, do your other posts describe what a drowning fish sounds like? That might actually be worth reading.
     
  36. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    My posts don't describe it, but yours seem to. Think "flop, flop, flop..."
    And if you can't be bothered to research what I think about Henne, maybe you shouldn't be throwing accusations around about how I think. You assumed, and you know what happens when you assume.
     
  37. GMJohnson

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    Thanks for droppin all this knowledge Rick. But you seem willing to talk about everything except the topic of the thread. Just sayin.
     
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  38. Killerphins

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    Kidding right? Rick you see no chance with Henne come on now...
    Just let it go. You hate the guy.

    Unless you might be on the fence with our QB :shifty:
     
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  39. Pandarilla

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    Uh Oh, Killer's learned the PC game...This should evolve hilariously.
     
  40. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    In point of fact, I have been pretty supportive of Henne until around the middle of this season. At that point, I decided I had seen enough to make a judgement and I think he doesn't have the chops to be a top-tier QB. At best, he can be a game manager with the occasonal deep throw tossed in, but we could still win with him if we had a good running game and a stellar defense.
     

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