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2011 Draft: Who do you want?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Hurricane, Feb 11, 2011.

Who do you want to select in the 1st round of the 2011 NFL draft?

  1. Blaine Gabbert

    9.9%
  2. Cam Newton

    25.4%
  3. Jake Locker

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  4. Mark Ingram

    31.0%
  5. Mike Pouncey

    1.4%
  6. Other Player (specify)

    2.8%
  7. Trade Up

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  8. Trade Down

    29.6%
  1. Hurricane

    Hurricane Guest

    Too often, I scour these boards to find one million and one reasons why not to draft __________, so I got thinking; why not create a mega-thread to discuss the positives of these players... who do YOU want to draft?

    Now, the poll is obviously directed towards the first round, but feel free to contribute your own full 7-round mocks.

    My only rule here is to stay civil.

    This is an opinion thread. No one here is an idiot, racist, New England spy, etc. We're all Dolphin fans.

    And one last note, if you don't choose a player in the poll, please elaborate!
     
  2. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Cam Newton

    -Dominated the toughest defenses in college football
    -Great leader
    -Great mechanics
    -Great accuracy
    -Hard worker
    -We need a QB who isn't afraid to take chances

    I think we should trade up to get him, but I clicked on Cam Newton instead of Trade Up.
     
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  3. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    For me, it is between Mark Ingram and Mike Pouncey. Mark Ingram is just a special back. He's got tremendous balance and vision, a tremendous burst, changes his speeds well, and is great after contact. Looking at the numbers according to football outsiders, our running back position was the biggest reason for our drop off in rushing last year.

    However, I am an offensive line guy as well, and if there is a chance to add a good player that will lock up a position for the next ten years up front, I am all for it. I have yet to determine if Mike Pouncey is better suited for the right side or the left side, but I'm interested in him along with some of the tackles like Derek Sherrod, Anthony Castonzo, Gabe Carimi, and Nate Solder.
     
  4. uab_phin

    uab_phin New Member

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    Trade back and get us Titus Young!

    Could be our Desean Jackson.
     
  5. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Trade down and still get Pouncy, then take RB with our #2
     
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  6. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

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    Titus Young.
     
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  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Trade down, draft Mike Leshoure and Randy Moffit, or Korey Smith.

    Much hinges on whether we resign Nate Garner and whether or not he is the new Joe Toledo.
     
  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I want us to trade down and stockpile 2012 picks, that will give us ammo for Luck or whoever else emerges as a sure thing QB (draft or FA) that year. We need to resign ourselves to really building the future and making some sacrifices this year. Basically, its time we took a page out the Heat's team building playbook. We find an all world QB and with the defense we already have, we'll become the next dynasty.
     
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  9. Robert Horry

    Robert Horry New Member

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    I want Jernell Jernigan in the 3rd/4th round.
     
  10. Fishweiser

    Fishweiser New Member

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6109802

    I believe Newton has the determination to be something special in the NFL, and he has all the tools and the competiveness to reach that goal. He just dosent fold under any pressure, but rather gets stronger. If you take in to account all the hate and scrutiny he went through all season, and then watch the Arkansas game, the Kentucky game, and then the Alabama game just to name a few, you should easily see the winner in the guy. The media, and all the critics have set up the challenge that he wont amount to anything in the NFL. I feel he'll scorch that challenge, just as he did all this past season, and become a phenom in the NFL.
     
  11. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    Trade down with Patriots for 28th and 33rd. Justin Houston OLB, it would make me groan but we still need more pass rushers. Torrey Smith WR, he'll be a work in progress but provides everything this offense and ST needs to go from game one.
     
  12. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would love Ingram, and therefore voted that way. He should help our running game immensely IMO. Of course, so would more dominant OL.

    That being said, personally, I see us trading down though.
     
  13. baboo72

    baboo72 Bleeding aqua & orange

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    Mark Ingram. What Brandon said ^
     
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  15. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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  16. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I'm salivating over Pouncey at LG with Incognito at C. If we took him at 15 I wouldn't complain but I'd love to trade down, grab a 2nd rounder & use it on a Ryan Williams, Michel Leshoure or Jerrel Jernigan. This is a defensive draft, especially at the top, so I'm hoping that some of the better offensive players slide down to us later on.
     
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  17. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Ingram.

    Fix the running game = fix the team IMO.
     
  18. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I say trade the 1st rounder to somebody for a 2012 1st rounder, ammo to trade up for Luck.
     
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  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What we do in the first, all depends on whether or not Irish can recoup the pick..

    If he can move a player or players to get it then I would go Ingram in the first and Ckap in the 2nd..
     
  20. DHPVW

    DHPVW DuB addict

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    I voted for Ingram, but would rather get Ryan Mallet in a trade down scenario and go after U of A's Nic Grigsby in the 3rd. Either way I think this draft is gonna be a rather odd one
     
  21. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    Not really.

    Mississipi State: 21st in Points Against- 57.9%, 136 pass yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
    Clemson: 13th in Points Against- 50%, 203 pass yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
    LSU: 11th in Points Against- 62.5%, 86 pass yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
    Alabama: 3rd in Points Against- 65%, 216 pass yards, 3 TD, 0 INT

    Every other team he faced had an awful defense. So, pretty much he "dominated" terrible defense and was very average against the "toughest defenses in college football". The only legitimate defense he torched was Alabama.

    Yes, I am aware he put up some good rushing stats in some of these games, but I could care less about that if we are talking about him being an NFL QB. Learn to dominate a game with your arm, rather than your legs, because you will not be able to dominate an NFL game with your legs at the QB position no matter who you play.

    I swear, every post you make I agree 100%. My dream is to trade down to mid 20s, pick up a 2nd and spend those two picks on Pouncey and Williams/Jernigan. I'm still interested to see Joe Berger play though at C. I don't think he was bad this year, but if Incognito can step up and compete for the job, I'm all for it.
     
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  22. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I selected Blaine Gabbert. I believe he has all of the tools needed to be a top QB in the NFL.
     
  23. Whitedolphin54

    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    Trade down and get a good O Line prospect, or just pick an interior O Lineman at the #15 pick
     
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  24. Whitedolphin54

    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    He wont be there when we pick, unless we trade up, and I don't like that idea
     
  25. Hurricane

    Hurricane Guest

    Per Rotoworld:

     
  26. whiskeyCoke72

    whiskeyCoke72 Active Member

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    Cam Newton, If we can get 'em @ 15 or moderate trade up, I would not mortgage the farm for him though. Would've thought long and hard about giving up J Long to move up to A Luck but not for Cam.

    I still do not get the infatuation with getting Ingram @ 15 given our needs vs picks ratio it does not make any sense, playoff running backs can be found anywhere in the draft, and we may already have 3 given a Good OL. So if you cant get Cam, trade back and get OL, TE, WR, and A Dalton and continue to look at FA QBs. If you have Henne, Dalton and Other in camp with a solid OL, more Pass options and a OC who is not henning we have a shot and worse case add the QB next year.

    Get Cam @ 15 is my pick though!
     
  27. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Great minds think alike lol.

    I like Berger, he did a decent job IMO. If we were a passing or west coast type team I'd prefer Berger b/c he's more mobile. I just think Incognito matches up a little better with the big NTs and DTs and I assume we'll continue to be a run first team, especially if Henne or a rookie is our QB.

    I'm w/ you on Newton. He looked awesome against a bunch of undersized and overmatched college players, but all of that is over. I think he has a ton of upside, but needs to sit and learn for at least a year or two, and he needs a system & supporting cast suited specifically for his skill set. He won't be getting any of that here, so I hope for his sake (and ours) that he goes to a team where he has a better chance at maximizing his potential.
     
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  29. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I'm not for drafting Cam Newton at all because I highly doubt he will ever develop into a legitimate drop back passer. However, I disagree that Miami isn't a team that would utilize him to his best ability. Miami is the first team in the modern NFL to incorporate the single wing concept as a major part of their offense. With Cam Newton, I'm absolutely certain that they would use him as the point man in the single wing while they develop his quarterback skills. It didn't work out with Pat White, but Pat White wasn't big enough to be the inside runner you need to be to run the single wing stuff. Pat White was simply a misevaluation all the way around. They overrated his skills for the single wing stuff, and they overrated his skills as a quarterback. Newton can run the single wing stuff.
     
  30. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    I'm favor of the trade down, unless I Gabbert is there (which he won't be). I love Ingram, but I think Ireland undervalues the RB position as a general rule.

    If you can drop back 10-14 spots and get a 2nd and change, I think that's the way to go. Just pick the BPA. If that results in a defense heavy draft, so be it.

    Ireland is pretty darn good at evaluating defensive players, not sure I trust him yet to go get quarterbacks and receivers.
     
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  31. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I don't think we were uniquely able to use the single wing. I think we were uniquely desperate enough to go with it and it caught teams by surprise temporarily. I totally agree on Pat White, I can honestly say I hated that pick from the 2nd I saw it on a mock draft in February. I agree that Cam will struggle to be a traditional drop back passer, and I think it'd be a total waste for any team to try to turn him into one. I think he'd be average at best in that role, while he has the potential to be a devastating spread type Qb. IF A TEAM IS WILLING TO GO ALL IN. We'd basically have to design our whole offense around the spread the way McDaniels was trying to do in Denver. That means giving him all the reps, teaching the spread team wide, acquring a quicker/more agile O-line, quicker/faster WRs, receiving TE's etc. It also means abandoning Chad Henne, probably keeping Thigpen (V Young maybe?) and letting those two duel it out for the starting spot. I dont think we can have one offense for Newton & one offense for Chad, which is what we'd need for them to coexist.

    Obviously that is a huge roll of the dice. The type that gets coaches and GMs fired if they don't work. I see a lot of people are Cam fans, CK & Boom included. I wonder though, if they realize the risk involved, not just in using #15 on him, but on scrapping most of our offensive roster and philosophy and rebuilding it around one guy. One guy, who has one year of Div 1 college football, and serious questions about influence and intangibles. I'm not totally against it, but I havent seen enough to make me think its a good idea for the Fins.
     
  32. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    I'd trade for someone else's #1 next year (possibly more).
    if not
    I'd try and trade down to recoup a 2nd, take Titus Young and Noel Devine.
    if not
    I'd take BPA at #15, possibly Tyron Smith.
     
  33. ToddsPhins

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    For me, this draft would be all about "offensive playmakers".
    (Trade back & if draft is before FA)
    1. RB- Mikel LeShoure
    2. WR- Titus Young
    3. TE- Lance Kendricks
    4. WR- Greg Little
    5. Hback- Charles Clay/ FB- Owen Marecic
    6. WC QB/WR/PR- Tyrod Taylor

    No trade back:
    1. Mikel LeShoure
    3. Jerrel Jernigan (or trade up for Titus Young)
    4. Greg Little
    5. Charles Clay
    6. Tyrod Taylor
     
  34. fastball83

    fastball83 Active Member

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  35. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    minimal: RB, C, LG that can start or the #1 QB available & the draft is a success
     
  36. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    And much of those Clemson yards/TDs came off receivers running wide open IIRC.
     
  37. ToddsPhins

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    I'm going with Mikel LeShoure for right now.

    He's a big, franchise-caliber back who has good hands out of the backfield and can catch the ball downfield. If the goal is to open up the offense and go with more 3+ WR sets, then the versatile LeShoure would be a more dynamic back than Ingram b/c of the greater ability to move him around, and as such, would be a better fit here IMO.

    You could pair him with Jamie Harper and we'd have two big 230lb RBs with great hands who can catch downfield. Just an idea.
     
  38. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    An offseason of: LeShoure, Titus Young, Greg Little, Logan Mankins, and Mercedes Lewis (or Owen Daniels/Zach Miller) would add some serious pop to our offense. If we want to be more dynamic and unpredictable, then this group would greatly fit the bill.
     
  39. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Mankins is getting the franchise tag. We won't be getting him unless we trade for him.
     
  40. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    Some guys I am interested in at the most important needs:

    RB- Mark Ingram, Ryan Williams, DeMarco Murray, Kendall Hunter, Dion Lewis, Noel Devine, Quizz Rodgers, Derrick Locke
    WR- Julio Jones, Leonard Hankerson, Titus Young, Jerrel Jernigan, Austin Pettis, Jock Sanders, Torrey Smith, Greg Little
    TE- Lance Kendricks, DJ Williams, Luke Stocker
    OG- Mike Pouncey, John Moffitt, Rodney Hudson

    I think we have endless options between the 2nd-4th rounds. However, we only have 2 picks between those 3 rounds. Tbh, I wouldn't be entirely angry if we completely trade out of the first and pick up a 2nd, 3rd, and future picks or players. Sure, we wouldn't have a legitimate shot at Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, or Mike Pouncey, but we would still have a hell of a lot of options.

    With the RBs I named, I see 4 guys that could start for us (not including Ingram)
    With the WRs I named, I see 4 guys that could be our #2 (not including Julio Jones)
    I could see all the TEs and OGs I named starting for us as well.

    This doesn't include the guys I didn't name either (ie. LeShoure, Todman, Thomas, Baldwin, Rudolph, Ijalana, Cannon, etc...)

    I think our biggest rounds are in the middle of the draft this year. Lots of offensive talent, whereas the first round is mainly loaded up with defensive talent. I'm definitely fine with sticking in the first or trading down in the first as long as it's a smart pick...but I think trading completely out of the first would be the best bet for us, even though it's less likely.
     
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