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#1 Rookie RB vs. First RB taken

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by NolePhin15, Feb 12, 2011.

  1. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    Alright so ESPN just showed a stat that had CJ Spiller (first RB taken last year) compared to Legarette(sp) Blount (most productive rookie RB last year). CJ Spiller had something like 250 yards rushing, 3.8 ypc, and 0 touchdowns while Blount had over 1000 yards rushing, 5 ypc, and I think 5 touchdowns.

    This just shows that IMO drafting Ingram at 15 first is not a good idea. I hope the Dolphins trade back and get a later first with a second.
     
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  2. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    Also Blount was an undrafted free agent and CJ Spiller was taken at number 9
     
  3. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend NolePhin15:
    maybe, maybe not.
    when it comes to most things, you get what you pay for...
    only sure thing is that we need to acquire a franchise RB to shore up the offense asap
    you can rest assured Ireland & company are on top of it
     
  4. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed 23. I hope they can acquire D-Will. But I really want them to trade back and I would be ok taking Ryan Williams later in the first
     
  5. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    Sometimes I think this happens because the undrafted or lower drafted guys feel as if they need to prove something and thus try harder. The #1 overall RB will usually have a nice signing bonus that makes it so they are set for life. The 7th round RB or undrafted guy will start at league minimum and try and get paid.

    (This doesn't just go for RB's either)
     
  6. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    I agree .Unless the RB is special such as Adrian Petersen there is no need to spend a high draft pick on a RB when there will be some very good ones available later on.
     
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  7. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Not a valid argument. You can't know for sure if he will be good or elite. For every CJ Spiller and Blair thomas (drafted 18 spots before Emmitt) there is a Marshall Faulk and Adrian Peterson
     
  8. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    wonder if the Raiders have tired of McFadden yet?
     
  9. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Of any position in football, in terms of overall production the difference between a round 1 RB and late round RBs is the smallest. In today's NFL where passing rules the game, teams simply don't need an elite RB to win.

    I hope our FO realizes this. Otherwise we'll be no different than the idiot who drafts the top kicker in the third round in his fantasy football league.
     
  10. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend MonstBlitz:
    I honestly think you're wrong on this one
    between the first & late rounds is a serious stretch
    you usually get what you pay for & what you see is usually what you get
    there is always the element of chance in any transaction
    & when the exceptional pick crops up
    it usually has to do with exceptional scouting & exceptional luck
    you want a franchise back to carry the load?
    there is a reason why these guys are ranked where they are
    you pay the piper to dance :yes: if you want to party!
     
  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Friend 23rd,

    Do you have any evidence to support this besides cliches? All due respect, but the OP gave a great example of an undrafted RB outproducing the first overall RB. I'll agree that in all positions in football first rounders tend to outproduce later round guys overall. But in the position of RB, the difference in production is smaller, and furthermore this difference in production has less to do with winning or losing.

    We just saw a team win the superbowl with an undrafted rookie RB starting the game for them. He was also on the PUP list most of the season.
     
  12. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend MonstBlitz:

    just an opinion, some cliches
    & yes there are always exceptions,
    I've already admitted to that ...
    but I still think I'm right
    & I'm sure there are pundits & research & studies
    that would support my point of view
    research & studies are like that
    having said that
    did not mean to come on too strong
    no disrespect intended
    in the end just two differing opinions
    you can do anything you want with statistics

    I just honestly think you're wrong on this one
     
  13. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Blount was not your typical UDFA. Before his senior season, he was considered a likely 1st round draft pick. He fell out of the draft because of the incident that led to his suspension during his senior season.
     
  14. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

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    Although I agree that you an find a quality back later in the draft, this argument is based on faulty logic. The fact that the first RB taken last year wasn't very good has no bearing on the type of player that Ingram will be.
     
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  15. ToddsPhins

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    The team also has to be a good fit for the RB. Spiller was doomed the second Buffalo picked him...... and Blount was cut by the Titans before showing up at TB.
     
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  16. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Mark Ingram is a top ten RB the minute he is drafted...
     
  17. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Lets just look at our own team here in Miami....We have 2 RB's that were drafted in the 1st round, then we have 3 that wern't. Anybody wanna compare career yards??
     
  18. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Which is why we should take him if available.
     
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  19. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Ingram makes the most sense. Both Ronnie and Ricky are free agents. Ireland said he won't bring back both, but would like to resign one. Neither appear capable of carrying a full load for the season. Miami could address the position by signing D Williams, but would have to wait until the CBA is resolved which will be after the draft. Not securing the position in the draft would leave Miami in a probable bidding war. With the salary cap being reinstalled, not a good idea.

    The only other player that makes more sense is Cam Newton if the Ireland falls in love with him. But not likely Cam makes it out of the top 10.

    Unless Miami trades down I think it is most likely we hear Commissioner Goodell saying with the 15th pick in the 2011 draft the Miami Dolphins select Mark Ingram, RB, out of the University of Alabama.
     
  20. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Probably not considering the light went on and he had a career year.

    I don't think you can evaluate a prospect by prospects that have come before - you look at each one individually and make the determination. Is this cat good enough to be picked at X slot, or is he not worth it?

    You can't simply say "last years top guy didn't work out, lets pass on THIS years top guy because of it!"
     
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  21. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Ok, so we should take a QB then. Anyone know when Tom Brady was drafted?


    Just bc the dumbass Bills took Spiller there and Blount's stock fell criminally low, doesn't mean we shouldn't take Ingram.

    Since we don't have a 2nd, I'd rather take a lower risk pick instead of hoping a rookie QB is going to lead us somewhere quickly.
     
  22. rafael

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    I'm mixed on the idea of taking Ingram b/c I don't like taking RBs early, but he may just be the best available player. However, I'm more bothered by the idea that anybody thinks that what happened with two unrelated players in last year's draft is a logical argument for or against drafting Ingram.
     
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  23. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Look at the top 5 running backs through 05 then talk to me about drafting a stud RB.
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The reason why Ingram is worth it because #1, hes a sure thing at a need position, and because of how he balances and compliments your offensive philosophy..The contrast of marshall and Ingram, having the ability to attack a defense depending on their weakness is what its all about..

    The example he sets for your team has value...

    and bottom line, hes a great football player, and accumulating as many of those is what its all about...especially to achieve that balance throughout..

    My goal is to come out of this draft with a whole new potential backfield including QB..

    Ingram...CKap..Havili..
     
  25. DHPVW

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    I think Ingram would be a steal at 15, but I personally think trading down and acquiring a 2nd would be ideal. Backs like Nic Grigsby from UofA for one example would be a great pick up if we can get them in the 3rd. You can always get productive backs later in the draft. OL is an area we could improve on, and good lineman aren't so easy to find in the later rounds
     
  26. padre31

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    To me, I'd only take Ingram if they felt he could shoulder the burden of the offense, meaning do everything at a high level.

    Eh, who am I kidding they would take a another Tackle before they will take Ingram.

    Ireland is the same guy who sent a breathless text message "We got Brian Hartline!"

    Oh yeah, these guys go for sexy offensive players..:lol:
     
  27. Onehondo

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    I prefer the trade down option considering we have a long wait between the 15th pick and our 3rd round pick. I wouldn't mind Ingram however and I think he would have a more immediate impact than Cam Newton. Thats JMO and I am not bashing Newton.
     
  28. LikeUntoGod

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    Unless we suddenly become the power running team that we were suppose to be over the last couple of years, I can't see the logic of drafting a RB in the first round.

    I love running the ball, I became a Dolphin fan in 1971 and I watch us tear up the NFL with our 3 headed monster of a running game.

    But even I have to admit that the game has changed. Today's NFL is a passing league.

    What ticks me off is that we did not go after Blount ourselves.
     

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