CBA Talks Cancelled

The players are not workforce. The players are the product. They are what people are paying to see.

If they replaced all the players with CFL players there would be a huge drop off in ratings. Especially if they switched players.

If the NFL owners want the best they should pay for the best.

 

I wonder how many people would pay $1500 to sit in a luxury box and watch UFL players.

 

I guarantee that there are thousands of football players in our country that would die for the chance to play in the NFL for half the money. That's where the problem really is....these players today think that they are some kind of "special people". It really has become ridiculous. I understand the "risk" they take every time they take a snap, but that's their job. That is what they chose to do. If anything they should feel blessed to be given the chance to play at that level and for a substantial amount of money. Show me another business that the owners split profits with employee's at 50%. That isn't smart business, plain and simple. When it comes down to it, the NFL is a business. Rookies come into this league and get $15-20 million guaranteed, and they haven't proven anything. Teams are paying unproven, immature, kids millions of dollars while league vets play for far less. NFL has become ridiculous in my opinion.

The players need to stop being greedy and play the game of football. If they want to get paid like owners, I suggest they invest in their own business

 

You are right, they would. however they cannot, because they are not good enough.

The players today ARE SPECIAL PEOPLE. These are the best athletes in the world.

 

If there is another industry where businesses can be poorly managed, yet still continue to make exorbitant profits, I'm sure there would be lines of people to invest.

 

There is plenty of highly talented players that don't get a chance to play. The level of ability isn't leaps and bounds from a good NFL player, to a good CFL or AFL, etc..... If it were all the same teams wih all the same rules, it would still be an exciting game. The rivalry over time and love of the GAME is why fans watch. Sure we all have favorite "star" players, but where did they come from? College level ball and they played for the love of the game, not money. Sure they hoped to make it, and plenty of good talent doesn't end up making it. I won't except that any of these people are anything other than darn lucky. Not some breed of special people that deserve preferential treatment. It's just plain ridiculous

 

just like any job, if they don't like how things are run......then gtfo!! Just like police officers who are "heroes" for doing their jobs. That's what they choose to do, everyone has choices to make

 

that is called not living in the real world. if the owners could replace the players with cheaper players from the CFL, do you not think they would have already?

 

I'm not saying that they would, or even could re-place ALL the players. I'm simply saying that the players have become far to greedy and theoretically someone else could do their job for far less.....as in most cases in any job today. I guarantee that the players will eventually realize they are asking far too much and end up playing at some point for substantially less than 50%. But to think that any of them are entitled to 50% of earnings is ridiculous

 

Of course. That's what a spokesman does.

You have to show strength no matter what.

 

First thing to remember about any job; ANYONE can be replaced.

Would the NFL be on the same level if players replaced the ones currently
on the teams? No. But it would still be NFL football, bottom line.

 

Unless they all die, as a whole they are not replaceable. The owners are much more replaceable.

 

Just so I'm straight on your contention; It's impossible to replace guys that play a game for a living? It's hard to replace them?

Air Traffic Controllers can be replaced...But guys that toss around a ball for a living can't.



Riiiiiight.

 

There are many more air trafic controllers than there are PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS.

They are not similar positions at all. I love how people keep on acting as if the NFL is like any other business. When I go to fly a plane I am not flying a plane to watch John Gilkutty do his job as air traffic controller.

The workforce of the NFL is the people who work the sidelines, the stands, the front office and the like. The players are the entertainers. The same reason why Tom Cruise gets paid 20 million dollars for a film.

 

College Football is typically more exciting to watch than the NFL IMHO. They are nowhere near the talent level of NFL player save for those 300 souls who get drafted every year. You put similar talent on a field and football will still be entertaining to watch. USA Soccer gets the leftovers as far as athletic talent is concerned in the USA....people still go to watch MLS. Football will still be watched if the players walked. Push comes to shove....lingerie football gets the primetime slot.

 

Can somebody who understands the CBA lockout explain what happens if this does bleed into next season and the players are not allowed to take the field. What happens to the players who are under contract to a team? Do they still get paid or are they released from thier contracts? It seems to me an owner should either be obligated to retain the player under the terms of the contract or release him so he can find gainfull employment elsewhere. If what I am saying is accurate I think it creates an interesting situtation if it gets to that point.


My personal belief is that both sides bring legitimate issues to the table and the best solution is a complete restructure of how they conduct buiness with one another. Owners are entitled to expect returns on the huge investments they lay out and players are entitled to certain ensurances to protect thier interests. The problem is neither side really has that from the current way things are structured.

 

I do not agree. College football is typically a lesser product to watch than a NFL game. The chances of getting a good college game is really small. Heck in college football I feel lucky if there are three interesting games a week. The rest are Hulk Hogan versus Pez Waltley.

Also if European soccar was easy to watch in America, Americans wouldn't watch USA soccer. USA soccer is still the best in the USA and it is still a niche sport. Does it have more spectators than the WNBA?

NFL is by far the most popular sport in America right now. It is not even close. Four of the top five most watch shows of all time are Superbowls, the hall of fame game gets higher ratings than the baseball playoffs and that game does not even matter.

 

The issue is not of whether CFB is better than the NFL. We can all agree that the NFL is the ideal football product. The issue I'm speaking to is in the hypothetical situation that all the NFL pros packed up and moved to Alabama, would a product still be able to put on the field despite the "BEST" athletes not playing. Based on other sports where the "BEST" athletes aren't put on the field I think a good product can be put on the field by the owners. Although not the best situation, its not the end of pro football as we know it. Professional football can/will exist regardless of who plays.

 

hypothetically if all the NFL pros packed it up, you wouldn't think there were billionaires who would jump at the chance of creating their own footbal league with the Best athletes in the world?

 

Nope. They would have to accept the same deal the union is currently offering with considerably less revenue to share amongst both sides

More likely scenario are the players going to play for one of the lesser established leagues like the CFL or a UFL. They would then fall under those union rules.

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And the UFL would expand due to the HUGE influx of all-star players. Especially if they give them a better deal based on revenue.

if all the owners wanted to sell their teams, there would be plenty of billionaires willing to pay for the rules that exist as they are now.

 

You bring up an interesting point about the draft. Of course it will still happen buiness as ussaul but in terms of signing contracts I think that gets stalled. The rookie cap is one of the big issues and both sides seem to favor the idea of putting one in place. I doubt any team will agree to a rookie contract (especially the early round ones) until the cap details are agreed upon.

 

I'm not aware of any such arraingment.

Under US labor law employers have the right to carry on boing business, and, the union has a right to withhold labor.

They can hire and play whomever they choose. (Owners) and guess what? We'll watch it.

 

the ratings during the strike were way down, as well as attendence.

In today's age there are plenty of distractions. Even way more than 1987.

 

None of those factors pay into player's checks.

Dunno if you noticed, or were even alive in 1987...But times are different.

 

exactly, that was my point.

Really? Money is no ta factor into player's checks?

 

Not during a strike.

You understand the basic concept of not getting a paycheck if you don't
work for it, right?

We need to have at least that level of understanding if I am to proceed further.

 

aw, we are having two different conversations

 

So what's your contention then?
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