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Vern Carey not healthy?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, Omark can overreact, but in this case he goes way back with Big Vern C, if he is not 100% by August/September that would throw a wrench in offseason plans as Nate Garner is also coming back from injuries that is two Right Tackles, or one Tackle and one Guard who are in Donald Thomas land.

    The alternative would be Lydon "glass" Murtha who has been unable to survive even small amounts of time as a Starter at Right Tackle.
     
  2. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    I'm going to be pissed if in a few more months they
    decide he needs surgery
     
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  3. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Hope he gets better, I wouldn't write him off, seems like he would work hard and come back strong.
     
  4. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    They have to make a decision on Carey pretty soon. Add to that, no one knows how Jake is going to be come the season. I am sure he had surgery on his shoulder and no one on the planet will say how serious it was. Murtha is not ready, not sure if he will ever be ready. McQuistan is not the answer either. I would rather go OT in the draft in the upper rounds if they are looking for an Olineman rather then a G/C.

    If I was Carey, rather then just rely on Team Drs I would have 2n 3rd opinons. Then again, maybe Carey has something surgery will not help.
     
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  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Rumor at the time he was put on IR was a microfracture condition was a possibility.

    I like Murtha more than most do, but I think he should be in a Doug Free role, spot duty while he hardens up and goes through a couple of training camps, McQ is a journeymen type, which means unless James Martin somehow develops we are sort of in a bad way atm.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/2909.html
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    limping means no squats, no cardio during a critical part of an athletes season....the offseason...the only time you get better physically for the upcoming season..

    Ive had arguements about Carey before too many times...The man is overweight period...

    Hopefully the overweight Carey is not eating whatever the hell he wants during this critical stage.
     
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  7. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    More then a possibility. Sometimes they attempt to fill the spots with epoxy and see if it heals, which is not considered surgery. It does not go away, ever.
     
  8. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Carey will be healthy by season start & don't underestimate Murtha
     
  9. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    My aunt had Gastric Bypass; it's worked well for her so far. Just sayin.
     
  10. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    At least we have an owner who will spare no expense in going after a guy in case there's a serious void in the Oline come FA (especially if it falls after the draft). I realize that doesn't mean we'll necessarily get someone, but it is somewhat reassuring.

    This has the makings of becoming another boring draft. grrrrrrr. If we lose Incognito and 1 or 2 other key guys, then we could be fighting to just get back to where we were last year. That would f****** suck.
     
  11. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    get all three: center, left guard & a tackle, then let them compete.
    it all begins up front
    there are a number of outstanding linesmen available in this draft
     
  12. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    The what do we do about RB, WR,QB, DB ? After round 3 its a crap shoot at best. People can waive the flag for whichever draftee they choose but sooner or later they have to get dressed and go to the dance. In regards to FA, these days, thats a crapshoot too.
     
  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    It begins at quarterback. What’s in front of the quarterback comes second.
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Logically Des, what is more likely to happen:

    -a "franchise" Qb lands in our laps
    -a running game is reshaped
     
  15. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    If big Vern has to have microfracture surgery he could be done.
     
  16. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly what that means. He will show up to camp probably fatter than last year and we are looking at either drafting his replacement or signing a high priced FA.
     
  17. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Do not forget, if there is a lockout, no player can work out at Davie and no contact with players. Vernon may be pushing 500LBs if not monitored
     
  18. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Or

    Big Vern needs the outright rest and knows what he needs to do to be in shape after the lockout ends?

    I think we have reached the point of diminishing returns with intensive offseason programs, that is to say it may be better if Vets are not required to participate as their bodies are no longer those of 22 yr olds, what good is yet more powerlifting going to do for a Olinemen with surgeries on his resume?

    To me it leads to more breakdowns during the season.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That BS Pod...hes not 50 years old, hes a 29 year old man...The body has recovered from the season by now and if trained properly, { and noone is suggesting a powerlifting offseason} can make so much more gains from a health, quickness, and agility perspective than just a sedentary way of healing. Your philosophy is probably what has gotten him into this mess in the first place...
     
  20. mommabilly

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    No, a person like Carey needs to work out at least 4 days a week. No one expects powerlifiting or break Olympic records but all of the better athletes work out in the off season. For Vernon not to work out would be a crime and most definately would shorten his career quickly.

    What leads to breakdowns during the season is more likely to the ones that do not keep in shape in the off season. They show up when its mandatory or even at OTAs with excuses they cannot do this or that, the team sucks up to them, they practice in the summer and thats when it all comes out. No, if you ask the better athletes I would wager they all work out in the off season, especially ones that are 30 and above.

    I do not know why people think powerlifting, powerlifiting , powerlifiting. Thats complete BS, its many repititions with lower weights, cardio and plain ol, keep yourself fit. Carey would look like a giant chocolate Pillsbury Doughboy if he does nothing in the off season and know what ? I think people would then even make excuses for him. Sad.
     
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  21. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Disagree Deej, a older lineman needs more rest and probably more flexibility, Carey may be 29 but consider he had not missed a start in yrs, there are a lot of miles on him, an offseason of rest and light conditioning to me is exactly what he needs.

    Put it this way, 3 offseasons of power lifting has probably accomplished all that it is going to accomplish for him, now it is maintenance and recovery.
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Light conditioning during the offseason and a 370lb professional football athlete does not belong in the same sentence..

    You want an atrophied 370lb man come season time.?

    Let me get this strait, the man is in his twenties, is WAY overweight {fact}, is a professional athlete, makes millions of dollars a year, and you want to give this 370 pounder an offseason of light conditioning for his craft...Hes at a point where he could be getting better at his craft, not sustaining...Losing weight and become more flexible and agile should be his regimen for the offseason..

    If it was me, and he wasn't willing to get down to the 330 range, I would trade him.
     
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    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Lots of reps at lower weights is not light conditioning. This bs power lifiting bs is just that. Nobody in the NFL teaches power lifting as the norm. Yeah once in a while you could try to outbest yourself on a certain lift here and there. You really think they try to press 225 30 times daily ? no, they may do reps with 225 but at longer intervals. You are not going to see NFL players trying to bench 500lbs on a daily basis. Thats what would get them injured.
     
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    Define what you call " power lifting " that the players do and what weight you imagine they do it at.
     
  25. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    You have to be joking if one imagines I'm going to dig through Google or Bing looking for articles on Evan Marcus's weight lifting techniques.
     
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    Thats what I am saying, do not confuse power lifting with lifting required to stay in shape. Vernon Carey needs far more cardio then any power lifting right now. He can drop 30 lbs in a few months by just changing his diet alone and lifting moderately for his upper body. Players have knee surgery and start rehabbing for it within 48 hrs. Its all light stuff to start and thats what Vernon needs A YEAR AGO. Carey MAY be doing it, none of us know for sure but power lifiting is not what Carey needs at all.
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Old school principles for these athletes has become just that, Too old, The modern athlete has so much at their disposal to get their body, their machine to function at such a hi level, anyone who doesnt use the resources available, combined with putting the effort into it imo, is a lazy millionare who completely takes his talent for granted, and, is hurting the franchise on different levels because they are not reaching the full potential that the body has to offer..

    The time has come for change, across the board..

    The florida state football program is starting to do some very cutting edge techniques for the olineman..maybe others should take a clue.
     
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    Whats Florida State doing thats different ? I know some teams are doing Yoga with their Oline. Others have called in Marshal Arts instructors for Oline. Mostly to fend off hand moves by Dlineman and cardio, cardio cardio along with quick blasts and twitch movements. You can make anyone strong but making them move correctly is of Biblical proportions.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    Monitered caloric input relative to size and body fat ratio's..specific cardiovascular programs, plyometric, and agility training..and just an overall change in philosophy and approach for the olineman...Their keeping very close eyes on those specific players..The concept is just because your an offensive lineman doesn't mean you have carte blanche to eat whatever the hell you want..Their treating them like real athletes, and most importantly taking real steps in getting those huge bodies to perform at the highest levels possible.
     
  30. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I think he should have been replaced a long time ago.
     

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