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CEO Dee: "We have an aging facility"

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    The whole problem in the 1st place could have been solved 25 years ago when Robbie wanted Dade County to contribute to renovating the Orange Bowl. They wouldn't do it, because it was owned by the City of Miami, which didn't really want the county involved in their facility anyways. The squabbling between those two, drove Robbie to frustration, that he decided to build his own place.
     
  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You should have no problem arguing an actual point then rather than insisting that you don't have to?
     
  3. Desides

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    :lol: Nice try.

    No, I’m genuinely embarrassed for you. You’re becoming a caricature at this point. You claim not to care about the Marlins, but here you are on page three railing against their existence and connecting them with everything from Ross’ inability to get public funding to the recall of a hack politician. And you seem genuinely unaware of how utterly hypocritical you appear.

    Seriously, stop. Just stop.
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don't have an argument. You've spent the entire argument from the very beginning trying to characterize it as me hating the Marlins and strenuously avoiding either providing or refuting a single fact, argument, demonstrable opinion, statistic, or anything like that. Now you're just getting more shrill and diva-like about it.

    This is about the level of discourse you're at right now:
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    I'm playing chess, you're playing whack a mole, and talking **** while doing it.

    Claiming something is stupid or wrong over and over is not the same as providing it's stupid or wrong. Put up or shut up, basically.
     
  5. Stringer Bell

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    Ross will manage to get the taxpayer to foot the bill. Might have to wait a couple of years but it will happen.
     
  6. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    You have no idea what you are talking about. The Marlins are in the top 1/3 of all teams in both radio & TV ratings. Which, given the proclivity of much of the locals to root for Yankees, Mets or others rather remarkable, and one that looks promising for the future of the franchise.

    And the Marlins will be hosting an All-Star Weekend, probably in 2015 or 2016, which brings in about $ 150 million. That will pay for 1/3 of the stadium, which by the way, is on time, and under budget !!!

    Which team has won a world title in the 2000's ? Which team has had more winning seasons in the 2000's ? Which team is likely to be competetive this season ? Which team has one of the super studs of the future or their sport ? Psssst, hey dude, its not the Dolphins.

    As for the economy, that is going into the crapper for some time to come, just like that of Japan. China & India are the economies of the future, not the USA, which is going the way of the old British Empire.
     
  7. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Embarrassment has turned into riotous laughter. Check your ego at the door, please. It can’t fit through the frame.
     
  8. Roman529

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  9. Hurricane

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    I took a sociology course a few years ago, but I didn't think that was necessary to understand this concept.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_of_population

    You used it yourself in defending the Miami Gardens location. Stop it.

    Joe Pro Dolphin Land Life Stadium Capacity: 75,192
    Joe Pro Dolphin Land Life Stadium Average Attendance (2010): 67,744 which is 90.1%
    Joe Pro Dolphin Land Life Stadium Average Attendance (1986): 58,411 which is 77.7%

    Orange Bowl Capacity: 74,476
    Orange Bowl Average Attendance (1985): 67,812 which is 91.1%

    So by the numbers, not only was the Orange Bowl better in its outdated years than Sun Life is now, it completely blew a BRAND NEW STADIUM out of the water.

    I'll tell you why.

    No one wants to go to Miami Gardens. It's in the middle of nowhere and it's dangerous.

    Even with the supposed Broward County outreach, the numbers went down. There's no explanation for that. Even if you say it's due to the team's play, that doesn't explain '85 to '86.
     
  10. DolfanJake

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    But they didn't go, as you use the Marlins attendance figures to make your points, so why build a new stadium for them, as a reward for not going ? It takes 20 minutes to get from downtown Ft Laud to Sun Life, and about 1 ½ hours from downtown Miami. Now Miami people can finally go to a stadium of our own.
     
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  11. Disgustipate

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    Are those, or are those not TV ratings posted there?

    As for radio, no one listens to AM radio. And for years, Neil Rogers would point out the dead spots their Marlins radio contract would put in WQAM ratings.

    Completely irrelevant. Dolphins could lose every game for the next decade and Miami will see more Super Bowls than the Marlins World Series.
     
  12. Disgustipate

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    Once again, there's a huge difference between the World, the United States, and South Florida. South Florida is a strip. At it's widest, it's about 20 miles wide, a little as 5 miles in some places. And further, it's not as if there are two separate poles of population in the area at opposite ends of the North/South region. Your criticism is totally pointless.


    Couldn't have anything to do with the relative success of the teams then vs. the teams now, could it?

    If you're afraid of Miami Gardens, you are an absolutely irredeemable yuppie.
     
  13. Disgustipate

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    You're not really doing a good job of what you are trying to do here.
     
  14. DolfanJake

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    You can't assume it will suck, because unless you are the Great Carnac you can't see into the future. Other examples have been shown here in this thread that show otherwise (Detroit Tigers, AZ Cardinals, San Francisco Giants, and Cleveland Indians) as when new ballparks were opened, attendance increased.


    And those people don't go to games now, as you have noted numerous times before in this thread. So why placate them any longer ? Now its time for the people in Miami to be closer to the stadium than those in Broward.
     
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  15. DolfanJake

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    The Dolphins also had a 28 season head-start on the Marlins, and also the Marlins started just as cable TV and then the internet and satellite TV really cut into their future. Its now very possible to watch every Yankee game, yet live in So. Fla. That has admittedly hurt the Marlins in securing new fans, and as such, its why this stadium is all the more important to them.

    Is it you just hate baseball ? Because other than that, I can't understand why you have this hatred of the Marlins.
     
  16. Disgustipate

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    That's not a gamble that's actually worth it? Let's throw millions of dollars at something to see if we can fix it?

    As for at least the Cardinals example, it's really terrible. The stadium coincidences with the Cardinals beginning to not suck.

    People from Broward and Palm Beach don't go to Marlins games, yes. But neither do people from Dade county. No one goes to Marlins games.

    Do you have any evidence that attendance from Dade fans is significant enough to make up for a drop in Broward and Palm Beach attendance? 'Cause right now it's essentially on the dividing line between Broward and Dade.
     
  17. DolfanJake

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    Being that it takes 20 minutes to get to Sun Life from most places in Broward, and 1½ for most of the population of Miami-Dade gives me a clue that if the attendance right now is split about 50% from Miami-Dade and 50% from elswhere (which is what David Samson has said on his radio show) the chances that if you bring the stadium closer to the majority of the Miami-Dade population, it will increase. Its a given it will during the 1st year as they have already sold about 40% of the stadium for season tickets for 2012.
     
  18. DolfanJake

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    And yet you refuse to accept that the reason the attendance is low, is because of the stadium. The rain delays alone cause most of the people I know, that want to go to games to opt out of going in person, and to watch on TV. Its not that people don't care, its that they just don't want to pay good money to sit in the rain during a delay on a weeknight.
     
  19. DolfanJake

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    I think part of the anti-Marlins feeling is these people are really scared. They are afraid that if the Marlins do well in the new stadium, their absurd hatred of the Marlins will make them look silly.
     
  20. Hurricane

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    As is your bringing up two coasts. It's not the American Dolphins.

    Nor is it the South Florida Dolphins, which you seem to be advocating.

    The fact that you'd rather have a Miami Gardens stadium than a Downtown Miami stadium tells me you're from Broward or Palm Beach. Notice you have like 3 people arguing against you? You're biased based on your location.

    Oh and another piece of advice, we will all hate this abomination even more if you fund this renovation:

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    Lol buddy, I don't know about you, but I'm from New Jersey and I've spent nights in both Camden and Newark. People from the very worst parts of Florida wouldn't last a minute there.

    I never said I was afraid to go there (I've been to Dolphin stadium MANY times, mind you); I said it was dangerous and in the middle of nowhere, neither fact of which you (were able to) debated.

    Again, if your team goes 12-4 in '85 and then gets a brand new stadium, your attendance goes up the following year. Period.

    ... but it didn't, because Joe Robbie put his stadium on the cheapest plot he could find. You get what you pay for.
     
  21. padre31

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    I'd hope Ross would feel that way as well, as Joe Robbie is 25 yrs old and more than likely needs to be replaced imho, the problem being performance has not equated to New Stadium, which is what will be required to have one (imo).

    That is why I'm opposed to yet another remodeling as the stadium itself is just about maxxed out, to build it properly would require a tear down and replacement.
     
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  22. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's not really an remotely accurate estimate. Try it out:

    Sun Life Stadium to "Miami": 44 minutes
    Sun Life Stadium to "Fort Lauderdale": 82 minutes
    Sun Life Stadium to "South Beach": 78 minutes
    Sun Life Stadium to dead center Broward(Broward Blvd & Turnpike): 64 minutes

    Play around with it:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1C1...n+Life+Stadium&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=w
     
  23. Hurricane

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    Here's the link for people living in real life: http://www.beatthetraffic.com/ajax/traffic/map.aspx?regionid=27&viewname=Miami
     
  24. DolfanJake

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    By the way Mike Piazza (a Miami resident for the last 10 years) thinks the stadium will be a hit......

    http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news...06&content_id=16839908&vkey=news_fla&c_id=fla

    I think that says it all.....
     
  25. DolfanJake

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    When was this done ? On a Sunday morning ? If you live in the real world you know with rush hour traffic it takes more than 44 minutes to get to downtown Miami from Sun Life. And 82 minutes to get to downtown Ft Laud ? How did they go, by horse & buggy ?
     
  26. Disgustipate

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    ... I'm talking about bringing up how the population center of America is in the middle of nowhere. The population distribution in America is mostly along two opposite coasts. South Florida does not have that kind of polar distribution.

    The name of the team is utterly irrelevant. Teams are regional.

    I live closer to the Orange Bowl/New Marlins stadium than Sun Life. Good try, though, at least you put a little bit more thought and effort into calling me biased than the other guy.

    You said people were afraid to go there without admitting that you yourself were. Either way. It's absolutely ridiculous to claim Miami Gardens is dangerous.

    And please pay attention. I've said repeatedly that the current stadium, while not surrounded by a high population density in itself is in the middle of high population areas. See: Google Maps post.
     
  27. Disgustipate

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    http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=4&om=1&layer=t

    Google Maps tracks traffic, and integrates it into the route times. Click "traffic" when you check it, I did when I posted those times with current traffic.
     
  28. Hurricane

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    I have other things to work on, so this is all for now:

    You shouldn't have brought up coasts in the first place. It has nothing to do with anything being discussed. The rest of irrelevancy was tied to your original comment.

    Teams are not regional, based on the business argument you've used countless times.

    Sun Life was privately financed, so the example is not valid, but let's take a look at Miami Ballpark for the supposedly regional Florida Marlins.

    Perfect example; where is the money coming from? How much is Broward giving? Ft. Lauderdale?

    Why are they being forced to change their name to the Miami Marlins?

    Oh. Right.

    Addressing your first two points renders your last two useless and they need not be addressed.
     
  29. Disgustipate

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    You brought up the population "center" of the US being in the middle of nowhere, which is a horrible comparison if you understood how what you were talking about works. You were either being purposely disingenuous and still are, or you were talking about something you don't understand then managed to confuse yourself from there.

    The Marlins have every right to do what they're doing, it's just stupid and bad business, and I don't like it because it effects the Dolphins chances of getting a new stadium.

    The team, however, is regional. The concept that a team "belongs" to a city is ridiculous. Teams are granted to areas, essentially, the name on the team is irrelevant. The Patriots don't belong to "New England", nor do they belong to "Foxborough", it's the general area.

    Better than Desides but still bad, I appreciate some effort to be honest.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    please , lets stop arguing and do something about our franchises biggest weakness, the stadium...Lets start the revolution now while their thinking along these lines, lets email Mike Dee..lets let him know that if he were SMART, HE could be revolutionary and BUILD THE FIRST STADIUM IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS to do one thing.. INTIMIDATE through intelligent archetectual design...THE OB2...He would be a hero, our culture would embrace and support, our team would be incredibly grateful, and everything throughout the franchise would benefit, most importantly, the performance of the players, a real connection for our players to their fans, and our owners pockets.

    Iam telling you all, its the most explosive way to make money, and inspire a whole god damn town...

    Please, if we get this chance to do something, and if you really love our team, you will contact mike dee and profess your passion for the OB2..

    DolphinJake.....what can we do?..I know you feel me on this...Lets start a fuc$in revolution man...
     
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  31. Hurricane

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    I will write one over Spring Break (next week) and share.
     
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  32. Ozzy

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    Dangerous? That's simply not true. If you drive from Broward, or Southeast Dade County, and you take the I95 extension, it brings you right into the stadium. You drive from anywhere else and you're in your car, surrounded by hundreds of cars going to the exact same place. What the heck is so dangerous about that? Like someone is going to run up and rob someone else in front of 100 witnesses?

    As for the area. I was a season ticket holder from the day the stadium opened until two seasons ago, and I never once parked my truck inside the stadium. I parked in someones yard right across the street. Some of the nicest people I've ever met. That is no ghetto if that's what you're implying but like I said, if someone was even remotely askurred of that area, they never once have to touch their feet in it....
     
  33. Hurricane

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    Do you see that? All.... the way.... over there?

    That's the point of my statement--you missed it.

    As another poster mentioned, the Patriots have a giant complex of all sorts of things you can do around the stadium before and after the games other than sit in traffic. There's nothing around Dolphin Stadium and if you do venture far enough off, it's a nothing but a bunch of low-income housing.

    Maybe there's a publix. I wouldn't know. That's not how I have my fun anyway.

    Throw up a mall, some movie theaters, a park, cafes, clubs, etc. It's a win-win for everyone involved.

    Of course, that's the absolute last resort. The stadium shouldn't be there in the first place.
     
  34. padre31

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    Well, keep in mind Ross is building a water park in the area around the stadium as well.

    As for me, if I lived in the Miami area I'd probably take a shuttle or something to the games simply to avoid the hassles of driving.
     
  35. Hurricane

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    I didn't know that was a sure thing, but if it is then great--but it's still something that should've been there 25 years ago.

    As for the shuttles, that's exactly what I do.
     
  36. Hurricane

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    You know, I'd be interested to know what the fanbase's opinion is on this quantitatively. There should be a poll:

    Is Sun Life Outdated?

    Yes
    No
    Yes, but this can be remedied with renovations

    It seems the point of this thread was lost in translation. We're focusing on location now. The main problem is whether or not this stadium is still suitable to host a very fast-advancing NFL. I may be mistaken on this, but the lifespan of NFL stadiums seems noticeably shorter than those of other sports--especially baseball.
     
  37. Pandarilla

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    Is there any way to airlift Mr. Dee to Libya? Perhaps even an atomic trebuchet...
     
  38. padre31

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    The manner it was constructed would make a revision difficult as the lower section is in the general bowl shape, and the boxes are recessed from the field, if you move the seats significantly closer to the field, columns would have to be added, the way Robbie designed it, a multi use facility, short sheeted the Dolphins in favor of things like World Cup matches and baseball diamonds that much floor space down on the field is another problem.
     
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  39. Ozzy

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    If the point of your statement is something different that its a dangerous area, which is exactly what you said.....................over there.......................in case you missed it..........then don't say it!!!!

    Your full of little smartass remarks............acting like people are stupid which takes plenty of nerve.............yet that area is dangerous............


    lmao
     
  40. Ozzy

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    That's the only problem with the location of JRS. There are very little forms of shuttles or commutes. He built the stadium there so it was a central location between Dade and Broward Counties. It's probably a little far for each and every person but being right off the turnpike, it's not really a bad drive at all. I live almost as far south as it gets but I'm close to the turnpike so it only takes me 30 minutes tops to get there. There is plenty of parking and if you get there early enough the traffic is ok for a game day.

    As for the theme parks, I don't know man. I mean it's a football game we're going to see so who really cares about the other stuff. I'd say it like this. What are we going to do? Get up at 6am, grab whomever is going, get the tents, food, beer and ice. Then bolt up to waterworld to see if Kevin Costner is up? The run over to Wally World to see if John Candy rose from the dead? lol

    Again, it's a football game and the gates open 4 hours prior to kickoff. That's barely enough time to get the tents set up, get the BBQ going, play some catch, get mentally ready with a six pack, check out the chicks then eat so you can knock off some of the buzz. If we're lucky, we might have 30-40 minutes to go check out another friends tailgate while walking towards the stadium...
     

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