For some perspective in a more readable format I present ... Bill Simmons: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110304 and Rick Reily: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6177574 Read em and then still tell me you are on the owner's side in this debate.
I lean towards the owners no matter what. Notice I said lean! I do not want the players to get screwed but to me all owners deserve to get more from their investment than their employees.
This has nothing to do with negotiations but, do you not consider the increased value of any owner's franchise? The value of a franchise has has appreciated through the roof. Does this count?
The Dallas Cowboys could not play a UFL team if they Dallas Cowboys wanted to. The Cowboys' schedule is set by the NFL. The Cowboys don't choose who they play, that is determined by the NFL.
No, I do not consider the value of the organizations value. How often do we see these owners sell their teams? It has everything to do with the negotiations. Each side wants more for each individual season don't they?
But the Dallas Chronics can play whomever else is in their league. They must put a good to decent product on the field to try and earn profits.
Really? that is crazy. It isn't just selling the team, it is also having the collateral for other businesses as well. Your borrowing power goes up a lot when you have something worth $800 million dollars rather than worth $145 million dollars.
Yes thats true and how many owners own their team free and clear? Salaries, daily operation, rent on stadiums and so on. To think they're just trying to raise the value of their team is whats crazy. They want to fill certain bank accounts as well...
I believe Ralph Wilson owns the team, the stadium and the training facilities up in Orchard Park outrite. He built the dam thing in 1960. I know of no others
Snyder and Jerry Jones own their stadium. I know Snyder own the training facilities. I think Jones does as well.
Wow I am baffled at the conversation about unions and employees. Employers benefit from unions in the way that they get well qualified workers who they do not have to take care of. They do not have to provide education or training or individual benefits. They just cut a check to the player and the union. A union member is nowhere near the same as a regular employee. Union members benefit from job security and strong representaion in their career path. They also benefit from higher monetary compensation than other "regular employees" in their field. I think the bigger question here would be, What would the NFL be without the NFLPA? We know the NFL would survive, it would be a train wreck for a few years but they would get it figured out. Who needs who? Seems to me that the NFLPA wants a lot more than owners are willing to give them and if this is going to be a war of attrition, the NFLPA and the players are in no shape to win. Maybe the owners want to bust the union but do not want the fan rejection. Really I do not see other than providing benefits for retirees and current players and negotiating wage scales, why this union even exists. We know they are terrible with the wage scale cause I for one would not appreciate a rookie coming in and making more in one year than I had in 6. This Union goes against everything a true union stands for and is a mockery. Maybe it should be scrapped and start over with business minded people not football players. Maybe us the fans would not be put through this if it was handled more rationally than emotionally. I am sure the players would get more out of it both active and retired with "True" union representaion. Strong unions get what they want. This one is going to get played
There used to be unicorns but they didn't get to the ark in time because they stopped for a burger along the way.
By it I mean Money! WH never wanted to sell the entire team though. He did a lot of it because of the taxes his kids would have been hit with had he passed away. But we're talking about 8 billion dollars divided by owners and players. Lots and lots of profits there so I'm sure these owners are not saying I'll own the team ten years then sell it.
he also had to sell the team because his other business was losing tons of money and was close to going bankrupt. Also the fear of taxes was a part of it. Owners are saying, "I will own a team and then I will be a NFL owner. INSTANT CELEBRITY BABY! Oh you just bought a new mansion? I just bought a NFL team, suck on that!"
Do you also think McDonalds is a monopoly? The Dallas Cowboys is a franchise. Just like the local McDonalds, even though owned by an individual(s), still has to abide by McDonald Corporation rules and regulations. In other words, I can't buy a McDonalds and change the BigMac to the Big MPF. lol I have to cook my food to the standards and specifications that McDonalds tells me I have to cook. If I don't like it, then I don't buy the McDonalds. The NFL is not a monopoly. Period.
Just stop....You obviously are completely ignorant about this or else you wouldn't have written what you just did. No offense...but stop. Not if Burger King or Wendy's Corporation says you can't. They tell you how much, when and where. They make you sign a contract stating that you will abide by THEIR rules. Even as a franchise owner, you don't get ONE say in how you run the franchise. From the advertising, to food prep to the ****ing type of ketchup you have to use....NOTHING. Same with the NFL.
I'm speechless. You have got to be pulling my leg now. If not....All you're doing is repeating the same nonsense except you're changing the name of the franchise. Again, I'm not going to teach people here Business 101. The NFL is not a monopoly.
You think NFL football players are standard employees and the NFL isn't a monopoly. There really isn't much business 101 you can teach
Call them a a cartel then. don't call them a monopoly. Anti-competitiveness, and antitrust does not equal monopoly. For some reason I think a bunch of you guys are conflating the many different things.
And you can also buy a NFL franchise if there is enough money, and the NFL approves you. You cannot just buy a burger king or wendy's franchise. Burger King corp, or wendy's corp, must approve you. Trust me, I know, my parents are 7-Eleven franchisees. Try buying a Jamba Juice franchise. Your example actually illustrates exactly how an NFL is NOT a monopoly.
Edit: D’oh. The NFL asserts that it’s a single entity. The courts say the NFL is 32 separate entities.
I think you have it wrong. The NFL wants to be one entity. The Supreme Court has said its 32 separate businesses.
The NFL is a corporatio­n with franchises­. The NFL governs and promotes the game of football, sets and enforces rules, and regulates team ownership.The NFL owners voted in revenue sharing to try it out and have now voted against it. Thats called capitalism­.
It was ruled to have violated Anti Trust Laws. Last I heard, the Owners had narrowed things down to a 600 million dollar reduction, which spread out among 32 teams is what..16 million per team or so? Not terrible, and the Rook cap will help with the upper echelon salaries, but still in the last deal Owners got to keep 1 billion out of the compensation pool, and saved 1 billion or more due to canceling FA for some players in 2010, that is 5 billion they have pocketed that was supposed to go to "stadium improvements to grow the pie for everyone!". Which of course Owners are now reneging on, claiming they need even more money for that same purpose, but 16 million per team is nowhere nearly enough money for that purpose. Imho, it would be better to have a static Cap for X number of yrs, and use the supposed improvement fund investments to fund the retired players pensions and health benefits.
Yes, "if the NFL approves you" being the caveat. If I wanted to open a Stringer Burger, I would hope Burger King, McDonalds, and Wendy's wouldn't have to approve of me. Look at it like this. Paul Brown puts out a horrible product in Cincinnatti. I know I can put out a better product. I have enough capital to do so. Will I have the opportunity to compete with Paul Brown to play the Ravens, Steelers, or Browns?
Friend Dol-Fan Dupree: the NFL fits very nicely into economics 101 the market system, supply & demand Friend MarinePhinFan is right on the money: "The NFL is a corporatio*n with franchises*. The NFL governs and promotes the game of football, sets and enforces rules, and regulates team ownership.The NFL owners voted in revenue sharing to try it out and have now voted against it. Thats called capitalism*."
In the American Needle case they claimed to be 32 seperate businesses. This is one of the reasons why, along with Doty's ruling the Union is not just folding like a cheap suit, which is both good and bad.
