During Free Agency if Ted Ginn is available, would you take him back? Or would you rather draft a speedy receiver?
Depends on whether or not he's grown hands with fingers on them. Wouldn't mind him coming back as a Special Teams specialist.
I'd probably take him back... unless Julio Jones drop to #15, I don't see us taking a WR. We have way more pressing needs, IMO. Ginn would be a good #4 receiver, IMO.
It wouldn't be a horrible idea as far as talent....but his time has run its course in Miami. He was loathed by a lot of fans and probably doesn't like us now.
I'd do it if the price was right just so I wouldn't have to see Hartline or Bess or Marshall on any more end-arounds.
If we could get him cheap, sure why not. We need a return guy. Pretty nice to be able to trade a guy for a pick, then sign him back at a discount in free agency. Remember Jason Taylor?
Why not? Though I'd tend to doubt they would do it, the other FA's that would be interesting: -Anthony Armstrong, a surprise in 2010, he avg's almost 20 ypc -Matt Roth 77 tackles from SOLB
Add Vince Young and we will have months of entertainment ahead of us with dueling "Ginn suxs!" and "Young sux!" threads.
Oh for the love of Christ. No, no a thousand ****ing times no. Ginn is garbage and will always be garbage. I wouldnt want him as a Fifth WR.
Worse than Ted's hands is his toughness or lack there of. I recall plays on 3rd down when he could have fought for the 1st down, but instead chose to head out of bounds to avoid being hit or catching and falling the ground immediately when the defender has given him a 5 yard cushion. And letting punts bounce and roll instead of making the catch in what looked to be fear of getting hit or making the catch and sprinting to the sideline. IMO he is the type of player that brings down the moral of the ball club do to being a *****. Could you imagine him being on the Ravens or Steelers? Ginn is addition by subtraction. Unless the coaches can convince Ted the goal line is actually the side line. He is the smallest playing big-play (according to the experts when he came out) player in the NFL.
If he learned how to catch, and stop running out of bounds. sure. Its not a bad idea though, trade him away, then re-sign him afterwards. I dont see it happening though.
Ginn did have a large number of drops, but no more so than Brandon Marshall had for us in 2010, we need a cheap speedy Wr Ginn would fit that bill and he is a explosive returner, so if they signed him it would not surprise me..but I'd heavily doubt they sign a player they just gave away the yr before.
The speed fetish on this board has gotten absolutely obscene. It's like Al Davis has used whatever dark, arcane rites he's used to stay alive long after his body has moldered and decayed to infect the minds of fans of other teams. People have gone waaay around the bend with Ginn in this thread, but he's not really worth a roster spot and he's not going to do what people are expecting a fast wide receiver to do to this offense, that's for damn sure. Ginn caught almost 15% less of the passes thrown to him in '09 then Marshall did in '10, and had almost as many drops(10 vs 13) in almost exactly half as many targets. It's not remotely comparable.
He's mediocre at best on a per-return average, and it's not worth giving him all those the chances for the 1 or 2 big plays he will break a year.
It's your opinion, I went over all this in the last Ginn thread, Im exhausted..lol, besides he would come relatively cheap I think.Besides,I would much rather have Ginn returning kicks than Cobbs. Edit; just for the record, I'm not looking for any arguements with anyone, question was asked, and yes I would want him back, have a nice day.
Sorry, I disagree. He's MUCH MORE worthy of a roster spot than Marlon Moore is. At least teams have to respect Ginn's speed. It's not like he would need to be the focal point of the offense; he'd be a complimentary guy or a stop gap until we find a permanent replacement. W/o a second rounder it's possible we don't get anyone from the draft to impact at WR in 2011; at least Ginn can provide some sort of impact. If you're telling me that Ted running down field in single coverage wont pose a threat to a defense, then I'd have to disagree with you. Have you already forgotten that he won a few games for us in 2009? There's value to that as a #4 or #5 receiver. If the cost is low, then I see no downside to it. And there's no "speed fetish". We don't have any freakin speed. The only thing "obscene" is your complacency with an offense that's slower than most NCAA schools. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE here has stated that we need to become the Raiders, so please stop your petty whining and blowing this out of proportion. QUESTION: If you could push a button and have Davone Bess run a 4.3, would you do it?........ or would you keep your same attitude and say "Eh, heck with it; speed doesnt matter; there's nothing Bess can do at 4.3 that he can't at 4.65!"????
I'd be surprised if Ted Ginn is on an NFL roster next season. He's no better than the hundreds of really fast guys that failed in this league.
No, they most certainly do not have to respect Ginn's speed. They in fact repeatedly do the polar opposite of that. When he was here. And it was a point of repeated and sustained conversation here. Where were you? When Ginn was here, he was constantly jammed at the line of scrimmage with little to no regard for the threat that he may defeat that jam and consequently be in a position to exploit cornerback misstep. That is not respecting his speed. When he was here, we saw teams consistently flood the short area of the field, drop safeties into the box, etc., exactly what this cult of speed has advocated would NOT happen if we only had a wide receiver who was fast(Seemingly in complete disregard for any other attibutes). Ted Ginn will be on the field playing wide receiver? That's downside enough. He caught barely 50% of his passes in 2009, and that's with his catch % being padded by a bunch of bubble screens he did very little with. He's an absolute black of hole targets. Sure?
Two pages and no references to bringing back his family? You guys are just too serious around here. EDIT: oh yeah and Ted Ginn sucks
So you'd rather have Marlon Moore or Roberto Wallace as our 4th or 5th target? They're more reliable than Ginn? He doesn't need to even be a starter. He can rotate in occasionally and contribute on 4 WR sets. His potential game-changing big plays take precedence over catch percentage b/c he wouldn't be the main guy. How important is catch percentage if 1 of his 4 passes during a game potentially goes for a 60 yard bomb that wins it for us? He'd be a vertical threat, not a possession receiver, and the last time I checked, vertical threats don't need to catch 50% of their passes to be effective if those catches have an impact. Plus, he's only 25, so there's still a possibility that his light comes on during the next couple years. He was directly responsible for 29% of our wins in 09. He's not worth a roster spot if he beats the Jets twice for us again? Didn't teams jam him more b/c they had safety help over the top? Will teams be so quick to do that with Marshall on the field?
You're so quick to forget that he was the reason we beat the Jets twice in 1 season. I don't want the guy any where near us as a starter, but as a 4 or 5, then all that matters is that he's better than what we currently have and possesses the ability to positively change a game.
Oh don't even. Brandon Marshall was thrown to over a hundred times and had 1,000 rec yards. Percentage, not volume, Padre.
Yes, absolutely. Their full potential is not tapped, and their presence on the roster is essentially a non-commitment. I think it's really illustrative of the disconnect here that "He doesn't need to even be a starter" is something you feel the need to mention. You're dramatically overrating the amount of 4 WR sets we will run that you think Ginn would have an impact in that position. He has had very few of those in his career as a Dolphin, and they are so few and far between given the snaps that no, it's still not worth it. That's not how it works. Ginn didn't draw extraordinary coverage, and on any given play it's more likely than not you're going to have safety help over the top. The bread and butter NFL coverage shell is two safeties playing deep halves of the field.
