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NFL Players’ Association files for decertification

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Desides, Mar 11, 2011.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    NFLPA has already decertified. The fact the NFL refused to open its books doesn't matter. Chances are there will be a lawsuit.

    that means that if the season is played there is a lawsuit
    if the season is not played there is a lawsuit.

    If the season is played there is one lawsuit
    if the season is not played due to all 32 teams closing down, there is multiple lawsuits.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    They will get the money if there is a season.
     
  3. Stringer Bell

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    They file for bankruptcy, and turn over their books to the courts, instead of turning them over to the players, and costing themselves billions of dollars in the process? I find that hard to believe.
     
  4. Stringer Bell

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    Why would there be a lawsuit if the season is played?
     
  5. Stringer Bell

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    Yes. Or they could just operate without a CBA.
     
  6. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the NFLPA has already decertified. They did so because the NFL did not open its books. Cause and effect. No one’s claiming that opening the books going forward means anything. The argument is that the NFL is so determined to keep its books closed that they were willing to let talks end over the issue. That means they were willing to go to court, not just with the NFLPA but with their partners if they need to pull a tactic to win the antitrust suit.

    I don’t think you realize how far this can go.

    They won’t. Unfortunately.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    my understanding is the whole point of the NFL decertifying was to do a lawsuit
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Then why didn't the NFL just shut down in 1987?
     
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Because that was a strike, not a lockout. The players refused to play.
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    There can only be a lawsuit if the NFL locks the players out. It looks like it will happen, but until it does, you never know.
     
  11. JMHPhin

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    Oh i didnt say I thought it would happen, but if they do cease, then they would have to file bankruptcy, no other choice,they would owe too much. so if they did file bankruptcy the lawsuits wouldnt matter. If they dont file bankruptcy the lawsuits would force them to. So really if they cease, that would be their only option.
     
  12. MarinePhinFan

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    Come on Sick, this is that circular logic I mentioned in another thread. What employer doesn't "make money" off of their employee? That's why they risk their *** to buy a team. Also, doesn't the employee make money off of the employer? If the players want a share of the profits the OWNERS make then the players should have to give up a share of their endorsement profits. Only fair....

    Without the players the owners would make less money in football...at the start...and as time went on the talent woul dagain increase and the pay would increase with it. Without the owners the players would make NO money in football.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Then I am mistaken
     
  14. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    De Smith speaking. Master demagogue.


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  15. JMHPhin

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    No if they want to be full partners and share the revenues/assets, they share the expenses/liabilities. That is ownership. To say your entitled to the revenue brought in mean your obligated for the debt incurred to generate teh revenue.
     
  16. Desides

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    Man… DeMaurice Smith is even worse than I thought.
     
  17. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    PFT: NFL bracing for free agency:

     
  18. bojack72

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    Screw them all! I hope the owner and players both go broke. These people are a bunch of greedy idiots!
     
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  19. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Well at least Rex Ryan and the Jets will go 2 straight years of missing a "guaranteed" Super Bowl. :dunno:


    GO FISH!!!
     
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  20. I do not know if I necessarily agree with this as being the only form of partnership. Why cant two parties not form a partnership where one party says I will incurr all the operating expenses and you are responible for providing the product and the results of that we will split between us %60/%40 or whatever the two agree too. That seems fair to me if they both agree to it. I only brought up the fact that players do not share endorsements to show how greedy and absurd both sides are acting. BTW who gives a rats *** if the owners open up the books over the past 5 or 10 years. What difference does it make in regards to future earnings. It is a dumb thing to fight for IMO.
     
  21. MarinePhinFan

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    I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I agree with you. I've written the same thing in other threads. The players want to be partners but only to the extent of sharing profits. That's BS. I'm 100% on the owner's side with this.
     
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  22. Desides

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    Antitrust suit filed.

     
  23. GISH

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    Will Directv sue the NFL as well? owning exclusive rights to something that doesnt exist will cost them hundreds of millions.
     
  24. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Doty already threw out the lockout money the NFL accumulated. That includes DirecTV. The networks don’t have to pay money if there’s no football.
     
  25. Finfangirl

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    Good thing the world is coming to an end sometime in may.......
     
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  26. smahtaz

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    Seems like a big mistake to me.

    As long as the owners honor their existing contracts, can't they just move forward with business as usual and start free agency tomorrow. Then use the money they were paying for ex-players benefits and redirect them to legal fees.

    I don't get it.
     
  27. first&goal

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    But the owner are provinding all the infrastructure to the players, making sure that football is a profitable business.
    I really believe that the union try to hard to be tough without having nothing to show and frankly are looking totally ridicules, with an idiotic had honcho jmho,
     
  28. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Well if they play a season with scrubby players, maybe the Dolphins will actually win a playoff game!
     
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  29. Desides

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    It’s a lockout, not a strike. No scabs.
     
  30. ether79

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    If I am correct, the owners cannot lock out players that are not under the banner of a collectively bargained contract agreement. So in essence the union "saved" the football season by descertifying, as long as the judge rules as expected.
     
  31. ether79

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    and if they attempt the players have a SLAM DUNK collusion case.
     
  32. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    [​IMG]

    Falco > Henne
     
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  33. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    DeMaurice Smith is a piece of crap. He is the reason we will have no NFL in September.
     
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  34. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    One question with the Union decertifying does that open the door for another Union to be formed that represents only the future players now coming out of college? The union doesn't have those guys in the fold as they are not pros. Has the union opened the door for another separate union to be formed outside of their control? They can't argue that their rights are being infringed upon as they now individuals rather than a union.

    What happens if the collegiate athletes get together and form a union of their own to represent them as they move forward to refill the league with talent?
     
  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Talk about a union that needs its head cut off...........this is one. Greedy, Greedy, Greedy. **** them I already canceled directv anyway
     
  36. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    What gives these guys the right to "DEMAND" anything. What happened to the employer and the employee? Holding the owners hostage is bullsh*t!!
     
  37. Desides

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    This would be so totally worth it just to see the look on De Smith’s face.
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    Nobody can play. They are being locked out by the owners.
     
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  39. padre31

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    Owners hold the keys to the kingdom on this one 2socks, they were the ones who voided the contract 2 yrs ago, they are the ones who want paycuts when they are making money with both hands then crying poor, or impending poverty, meanwhile they tried to take a loan out vs tv revenues to tide them over.

    Perhaps if they had tried Good Faith negotiations I'd have some empathy for them.
     
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  40. Hurricane

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    In all fairness, the NFL is the only business in America with steady employment and rising salaries over the past few years. Something had to give.
     

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