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The NFL Is Illegal

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Southbeach, Mar 12, 2011.

  1. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

    Adam, tired of explaining. Maybe this is better.
     
  2. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    That makes no sense. I have no idea what you do for a living. However, if you were told you can no longer do it but, can look into a different line of work, you would be happy with that?

    I sure as hell would not, and I would look to get to heaven by RAISING A WHOLE LOTTA HELL.
     
  3. Southbeach

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    Coaches are on the other side. For the most part, they are well compensated with no restrictions as to how much they are paid. Sounds like American business. :)
     
  4. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    They can go play football in the CFL, UFL, or AFL, or play semi-pro if they are that bent on playing football. No one tells them they can't play football or a professional sport.

    You can't work for whatever company you want in ANY field or line of work, just because you want to. That's not how jobs/occupations work.
     
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  5. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    Gotta disagree my friend. I can, and do not know of anyone else who cannot.

    What do you do for a living where you cannot go where ever you want to go?

    The military is the obvious exception, with good reason, respect, and admiration.
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    My job is irrelivant to the discussion, but I did sign a non-compete agreement so no, I can't go work in the same field without remaining unemployed for 6 months (assuming I voluntarily leave my job).

    However, if I (or anyone) want to got work for GE I can't just go and start working. They (GE) need to have a desire for me to work for them. If I want to Hemlock Semiconductors but don't want to live/work in Michigan, I can't force them to offer me a job elsewhere.
     
  7. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It is silly? No it is crucial. The point being made is that you cannot claim entitlement to the revenues/assets without absorbing some of the liab. This bleeding heart BSD well we break bones to earn that rev, yeap and at a min you get hlaf a mil per year to do it. Noone force you to play football, you knew it was physucal, you knew you broke bones, you also knew the pay is generous to say the least.


    You dont ignore the stadium debt as it is part of ownership that is what the players views imply -> "we are partners in teh gross revenue but you are on your own with the debt."
     
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  8. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They are only entitled to the monies the owners agree to pay them. The courts noone can force the owners to play, to pay a certain wage courst no matter how blindly biased like Doty can control ownership rights. The playrs options are to negotiate a contract or dont play for the money being offered. The players arent entitled that is a joke.
     
  9. Southbeach

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    Your job is relevant, regardless of what you think. It appears that your former company is paying you to find a different line of work for a while. Aside from that, after the non-compete, you can go anywhere in the world to work.

    How does that differ from NFL players?
     
  10. DolfanJake

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    But the players, who actually ARE the NFL, have been more than willing to play for the old contract. Its the owners that have done this. They locked the players out, its not the players striking.
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    How much do you think the Lions make?
     
  12. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    I'm gonna try this one more time before calling it a day. In today's NFL, there are no liabilities or financial risk. TV has taken care of that with guaranteed money. Hell, they were gonna pay 4 BILLION DOLLARS to owners without playing.

    Can anyone tell me how that makes sense? How did that work without involving players?

    IMO, there are many things owners wish to keep secret, and it does not appear that it is going to work the same as it did in the past.
     
  13. MarinePhinFan

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    If I'm drafted by the Lions I don't have to play for them. Nobody will come to my house and drag me to OTA's or games. Now, I won't get another job in the NFL because ALL owners have decided that this is how things will be done. My refusing the offer from the Lions makes me responsible for that.
     
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  14. MarinePhinFan

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    I can't go and be a shrimp boat captain in Iowa. :)
     
  15. adamprez2003

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    "Holding a dominant position or a monopoly in the market is not illegal in itself" your post implies its a antitrust type of monopoly. its not if there is no other competition. you need another league to be hurt by its actions. what other football league is being hurt by the nfl today
     
  16. Southbeach

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    True story Marine. However, my not wanting to play for the Lions should not stop me from playing for the other 31 teams, and you know this is right, at least in this country. It's known as FREEDOM, and you know about that much more than me.
     
  17. MarinePhinFan

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    My freedom ends when I infringe upon another's rights. The 32 owners of the NFL have the right to decide who they hire.
     
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  18. Southbeach

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    Aaaaargh. You will see the owners fold under the anti-trust laws. No one is disputing that. The only question, in my mind, is if the player go for the throat changing football as we now know it.
     
  19. Southbeach

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    Well said and agreed. The owners went to the US Supreme Court last year to attempt to change their status. The highest court in the land ruled against them in an astounding 9-0 verdict. This is like a 70-0 football game, it just does not happen.

    How does one justify the inability to decide where they wish to offer their skills for payment? Not in this country, as far as I know.
     
  20. MarinePhinFan

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    First, we have to clear a few things up. If i want to play professional football I have a few choices, CFL, UFL, NFL etc. If I want to play for the NFL I must be willing to abide by their rules. If I work for say, FedEX in Miami, Florida I do not have the "right" to tell FedEX that I want to move to California and they better hire me. The same goes for the NFL. If I am "hired" on by the NFL, I must work in the designated area they decide I must work.
     
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  21. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the players arent the nfl, the owners, the players everyone make up the nfl. the players are employees like it or not. yes they are specialists ib their field n thus why they are paid alot more. does not ENTITLE them to ownership rights
     
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  22. Stringer Bell

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    When did they ask for ownership rights? They aren't on strike, they're being locked out.
     
  23. MarinePhinFan

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    When they asked for a share of the profits...profits are the rights of the owners.
     
  24. JMHPhin

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    The things they are losing out in court are things that are against fed trade laws, like collusion to break a contract. the 4 bil was a result of the owners working out an agreement for the tv to pay less now to guarentee rev during lockout, it was illegal because it was part of a pool agreed to be shared by the owners in the cba.

    second of all the ruling also stated, no games, no money so how is tv goinng to pay off the 1billion dollar debt on the new cowboys stadium? thats 4 billion among 32 teams.

    Dude you side with the players cool, I dont side with either. But to try to say the owners dont really own and the players who took no financial risk should get ownership rights is a flat joke. That stadium debt is a perfected debt, you know what that means right? It means if teh NFL were to fold and fiel bankruptcy, then lets say the stadium was the only perfected debt, the courts would sell off all Jerry Jones assets and turn it into cash, then because it is perfected debt, the stadium would get first dibs at that cash, then whats left over if anything, is used for the secured debt, then the unsecured debt, then the remaing creditors including employee contracts. They can go and take Jerry Jones house if his assets are not enough to liquidate the debt, thats right, it not just company assets, it is also personal assets.

    SO I will agree that Drew Brees is entitled to ownership % of the rev when he is going to put up his own assets to secure the debt. Then he is entitled to the rev. Those arent opinions, that is business 101
     
  25. JMHPhin

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    When D Smith states "the players are asked to write the owners a check for 500 mil in 1st year, the players are asked to write the owners a check for 750 mil in the second year , the players........." is a statement that the revenues belong to the players and they decide the % the owners get. He has it reversed.
     
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    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Kind of like Obama Care Huh. If you b*tch load enough your given an exception so you don't start an out of control snowball rolling.....................
     
  27. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    What about Ross? He just shelled out $1B+ cash and lost at least $8M last year. The last thing he wanted to see is a labor dispute.

    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_Miami-Dolphins_303017.html

    The owners that have been in the game long enough to recover their initial investment are making some serious cabbage for sure. The superstars are raking it in as well.

    Look at Jake Long. If he has invested his money wisely, he could walk away today and he and his heirs would be set forever.
     
  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    excellent excellent post.....now that's what I'm talking 'bout:up::up::up:
     
  29. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    When they sign the contract to receive millions of dollars. As a condition of employment they agree to play in the city they sign in.
     

  30. Just so you know, if you are in a right to work state then no compete cluases in your contract are unenforceable. That is one of the tradeoffs employers give up for not having to answer to unions. You are free to earn a living and your former employer can not stop you from poaching his customers. Just an FYI for you.
     
  31. I understand that coaches are not included in the union but what I am saying is if you agree with the players logic then coaches should be part of the union. They are part of the entertainment we as fans enjoy. We root for coaches and we watch their pressers. They have a very specialized skill set that a very small precentage of people can do yet they seem to do just fine without being in the union or playing these games with the owners. Players want to be treated like partners why don't they accept paying their staff out of their cut of the money. They can afford it, they live in 6 million dollar homes and drive 1/2 million dollar cars. Other then moving a football up and down the field what responsibility do they take on to justify them demanding over half of the profits generated? Can you explain that to me?
     
  32. GISH

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    The idea behind this thread is dumb. Players choose to enter the draft for a chance at their dream job. They arent chosen by the NFL and forced into slave labor. The draft is a system put in place to preserve parity and balance amongst the teams. The salary cap was put in place for that same reason. It hasnt stopped rookies and free agents from signing record breaking multimillion dollar deals every year. These arent even the issues facing the NFL today. Its rather pointless to have even discussed this.
     
  33. GreenMonster

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    Yes, the draft is legal. Players coming out of college have to apply to the NFL draft, or they can choose the UFL, Canadian Football League or Arena League. Since the leagues are the employers, players are free to choose a number of options, with the best players picking the NFL for obvious reasons. Being part of league requires following the rules of that league, when it comes to picking a league players make a very free choice.

    Every business is limited by caps, public workers and company's with budgets all limit pay.
     
  34. padre31

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    Problem being, the NFL itself has colluded to create the system of hiring new employees, the prospective employee should be able to market themselves to whomever they wish to market, in it's place the NFL tries to use a sham of players' "rights" being owned by the system they have created, the fact that the employee cannot then go work for whomever they wish is a problem for the NFL.

    Do agree though, all of this stuff is sort of pointless as it is in the courts and they do not care what we think at all.
     

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