Ckaps stock up ??..I like that, but its not good for us.

I'm not opposed, but I don't think this guys gonna beat Henne in his rookie season, especially since he's coming from the pistol. Most Shotgun/pistol guys need awhile to adjust to being under center.

 

It would help if we knew what kind of offense we are employing. CKap would blow in last year's Henning's offense.

 

I don't care about what a QB prospect can do the first year. I think its unreasonable to expect any QB to come in and start year one. There's been a few success stories where young QBs have been decent while protected by a strong running game, but those are the exception. And really they weren't even as good as I'd expect Henne to play under a better system.

 

Nah, that's the great part of being a fan. You get to just throw random names out there w/o any regard for system & personnel compatibility, learning curve, etc. Fun stuff.

 

I can see why you'd like him, but IMO he's a guy that wont be ready until year 3 or 4, and I don't see the Miami fans or management waiting that long. Henne just finished his 3rd year and most fans are calling him a bust. I just dont know if the patience required to develop a QB exists down here.

 

The only way this happens is through trade. Look at the teams in the bottom of the first:

26. Baltimore
27. Atlanta
28. New England
29. Chicago
30. NY Jets
31. Pittsburgh
32. Green Bay

Not a single one of these teams will draft a quarterback.

 

He has good size and speed. If this kid fills out he might be a good one.

 

No, but if you inch up one more Seattle might be tempted.

 

QBs lately are coming in and starting right away, and while they certainly aren't world beaters season 1, they are doing ok.

Unlikely, but considering it will likely take several years before he sees the field, maybe the Pats use one of their picks on him as a developmental prospect while Brady winds down for the next 2-3-4 years. Would be similar to the Favre/Rogers situation, though personally I'm not a fan of Kap at all.

 

I find the reports hard to believe, honestly. I don't see the talent in him that is being reported.

 

Seattle is probably after Locker, IMO.

 

Not world beaters and not even better than Henne was last year in a crappy system. And those are still the exceptions. So despite fans perceptions being skewed by their short term memories, the odds of any rookie coming in and giving the team a better chance to win year 1 is still very low.

 

I wouldn't waste a 5th round pick on this guy....... I really don't get the hype

 

That's a matter of debate, which is why you probably have some who have him in the late first and some who don't. Personally, I see his accuracy as at least good. When he has a clean pocket, I would call it great. He's also accurate while throwing on the run. When you consider distance, there is some variation. He is good to great on passes of about 20 yards (completions, not raw distance) or less. His accuracy is poor on longer passes. The same with his touch. As for reading defenses and going through progressions, I would guess he's at least average. Throughout the year his coach was often praising him for his reads. I think the offense primarily called for pre-snap reads like most college systems. He seems to be smart and I believe his Wonderlic reflected that. I don't think he was asked to go through progressions much at UNR. Although it seemed to me that he did go through his progressions in the Senior Bowl which would indicate either that he did it more than I recall at UNR or he's a quick study. My main issue with him is that he often takes a long stride (think pitcher) when he throws. I'm not sure if he needs to or if its a fixable habit. I am encouraged that he throws so well on the run though b/c he doesn't use that long stride on those passes. That could indicate that its fixable. Also he seems to be a very good athlete. I find that QBs who are very good athletes have an easier time making/learning adjustments that deal with the lower half of their bodies than those who aren't.

 

He's not projecting him in the fifth, brother. He's saying he's not worth it.

 

I personally believe this Kaepernick following is an exercise in polishing that will result in a product that's still not gold. My biggest qualm with him is he doesn't throw like a passer. He throws like a thrower, which was one of Pat White's biggest flaws IIRC. He just pushes the ball out of his hand. Playing in the WAC is a QB's dream. This kid has shown little statistical improvement from his first year to his last...in the WAC. Straight line max speed means nothing for a QB. This guy isn't agile. He's lanky and just seems labored in his movements. Scouts have been wrong about many people so I don't buy the line that scouts think he's up there. It's an argument from authority fallacy. In the words of a 2-bit Bills troll, "he doesn't pass the eye test".

 

Well said.

 

Good. Hopefully someone does take this bum in the 1st round. Anybody but us.

 

Definitely. Kapernick can be considered gold, but it's not real gold. It's fools gold. The athleticism and arm strength intrigue many, but the pure passing skills simply aren't there. Elite quarterbacks tend to not feast on the weak sisters of the poor and play well against stronger competition. Here's a big red flag to Colin Kaepernick:

Against teams with losing records in FBS/FCS, Kaepernick had a 69.1% completion percentage, 16 touchdown passes, and 2 interceptions.

Against teams with winning records in FBS, Kaepernick had a 58.6% completion percentage, 5 touchdown passes, and 6 interceptions. Against losing teams, he threw a TD pass every 13.4 pass attempts. Against winning teams, he threw a touchdown pass every 29.0 passing attempts.

The most comparable player for Colin Kaepernick? Former San Diego State quarterback Kevin O'Connell.

Credit goes to RC Fischer for the stats.

 

These are the same NFL scouts who have about a 27% hit rate when it comes to drafting first round quarterbacks. The same NFL scouts that think Cam Newton should go in the top 5 picks of this draft. The same NFL scouts that thought Vince Young was a first round quarterback prospect and Tom Brady was a 6th round prospect.

 

No matter where he's taken, it doesn't mean a thing until he does something in an NFL game. See the following: Russell, Quinn, Leaf, Klingler, Ware, Beck, Edwards, etc. and so on.

Not saying he's a 5th round pick, I just have a tough time seeing how his game translates well to the NFL, ESPECIALLY if he's pressed into action from the get-go. I doubt it'd be pretty.

 

I'll say it. Drafting this guy before the 5th round will be a monumental mistake for some team.

 

Generally saying "I believe" means that it's what I believe. Had I said "I know", that would apply here. That's the beauty of debate and opinion. Two people looking at the same thing but seeing different things. Someone will be proven wrong but until then, I don't see the point in pushing the word of anonymous scouts as gospel while breaking another's down as solely prognostication. All of us are prognosticating at this point. It's just, in a philosophical way, funny how we can make a distinction between what we look at and what we see.

 

You know what's ironic------ if you combine two of these colossal fart stains, Quinn and Leaf......... you get Queaf (which is close enough in IMO).

Or you could take it one further with Klingler........ and get Queafler. Not sure why but that makes me lol.

 

That's one thing I question about your analysis. I've certainly seen him make many people miss while at UNR. The question becomes whether he was just able to do that against lesser competition. The reports from the Senior Bowl practices were that he was unstoppable even when they knew it was coming. This would have been against top level senior talent and it suggests that he was agile enough even against the best college players. I think everybody saw him fail to elude Miller during the game and projects that that would happen against everybody. I have a pretty high opinion of Miller so I see that as the exception rather than the rule. I'd actually give Miller the advantage against even the most mobile QBs like Vick and Rodgers.

 

I am a Nevada Wolfpack Alumni and without a doubt he is the best player Nevada has ever had. It would be awesome to see him in a Dolphin uniform. If he can shorten his windup he has all the tools to be a top notch QB in the NFL.

His ability to role outside of the pocket and throw against his body reminds me of Elway. He continues to look for his receivers down the field before taking off. A flick of the wrist and the ball whistles down field. He will also make crucial plays with his feet when needed.

IMO he would be a big upgrade over Henne. Having said all that, I still can't see Miami spending their top pick on a QB given the needs at RB and the OL.

 

Great, I really hope we take him! Now I even think, if we trade down, we should take him in the first round and not the second. If we don't trade down, I don't know if we'd take him at 15. Personally, I guess I would. DON'T LET HIM GO TO BUFFALO!