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I know at least one team that has Cam Newton off their draft board..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Apr 9, 2011.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Friend of mine had dinner with someone inside an NFL team who works directly in the scouting and player development depts..

    The team does not like Cam Newton, and i mean that literally, he rubbed them the wrong way at the combine..

    I dont think I should say the team, just because I wanna protect that source for some more info here in the near future..

    The team currently has strong leadership at the QB position and at the GM position..They are however looking into other QB's in this draft to groom...and this team, has had CKap in for a private interview..

    At least I know some of my analysis on both players Newton and CKap are shared by an NFL front office..

    The source also says the dolphins should select Mark Ingram if hes available, their very impressed by him..
     
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  2. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think I have a guess as to the team...

    And as to the team, it wouldn't really surprise me, if it's who I think it is.
     
  3. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    DJ can you elaborate on why he rubbed them the wrong way ? Was it immaturity ? Glibness ? Work ethic ? Please be more specific.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Iam sending a text now.
     
  5. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I don't intentionally dislike players who don't abuse animals and/or small children or don't consider giving a woman Rohypnol as "taking her to dinner", however something about Cam rubs me the wrong way, too.
     
  6. JimToss

    JimToss Thank You Chad Pennington

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    I feel like the whole board has been info-blocked.
     
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  7. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    What happened to that text DJ ?
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    nothin yet, but I'll ask again 2maro..
     
  9. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    So essentially, this thread was here to push your belief in Kaepernick. Didn't we also have Bryant in for a now famous private interview?
     
  10. Vaark

    Vaark Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium

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    that team wouldn't be in a city that begins with an "H" and ends with an "n" now would it?
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Its here because Its worthy news ya know, especially with our QB situation, I added my projection on both players because I take player evaluation probably much to serious, but I love this team, and spend a lot of time trying to be as accurate as possible on this board, so when I hear some info that may give my position some weight, sometimes i say something, sometimes I don't..I only want what's best for the building of the team.

    So to answer your question directly I would say Initially no, essentially?..iam not sure what that means in your context.
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Its a good source Vaark..not gonna mess it up.
     
  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    cam no! :morning:
    use the pick for the best possible talent & a probable starter @15 regardless of position
    too many issues unresolved & questions unanswered
    next year should sport a better selection of QB's
    draft a winner​
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Where are all the cam newton fans?, not much to say?
     
  15. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I think people are afraid to support him because they don't want to appear "wrong" when he fulfills his "bust potential". :couch:

    Just kidding to all those who like the kid.
     
  16. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    unfortunately he opted away from tight end. Oh well. lol.
     
  17. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    I am not venturing a guess.Too much smoke in my eyes.:wharf:
     
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  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    No offense dj, but I don't put a whole hell of a lot of stock in a friend of a friend's cousins brother's aunt twice removed type inside scoops.
     
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  19. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Are you really expecting this to turn into another Cam Newton debate. Why? Because of your unnamed source from an unnamed team? This thread is a joke and I've been ignoring it for that reason. But if you're gonna call us Newton fans out, I'm happy to respond.

    I'm not calling you a liar, but....
     
  20. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    I was going to guess Indianapolis. they are looking to draft a QB, but they have no need to take a risk on someone like Newton that doesn't fit their philosophy.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    its not that at all...
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    what sucks for your case is that I dont lie, and the source is real.. Put me on ignore please if you really think that..

    Botttom line...Cam newtons flaws that have been reported on all offseason have made a team take him off their board,and you aint got sh$# to say about it, except try to convince yourself that it must not be true..
     
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  23. rafael

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    I expect that there are several teams that have Newton and/or Mallett completely off their board. Those two are polarizing players. Every team has to make their own decision as to how much of a risk they're willing to take on those two since they clearly have some red flags. I have no doubt that there are teams that have come down on both sides for each player. The question each team has to ask is whether they feel their past character issues are simply due to maturity issues which they have outgrown or things that are likely to be continuing problems. After that question is answered, they have to evaluate what they think the upside is and compare it to the risk they see. Personally, I would not take Newton off my board. I wouldn't trade up for him but I'd be fine taking him at #15. Mallett I would have off my board entirely.
     
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  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    he wouldn't be off my board either..but apparently, some serious NFL people disagree with us.
     
  25. rafael

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    I'm not even saying they're wrong. The draft is all about allocating risk and matching you're own risk tolerance. Say you decide that Newton has a 50/50 chance of being franchise/bust. Depending on your risk tolerance that may or may not be worth selecting in the first.

    BTW I'm not talking about the standard "all 1st round QBs bust at about a 50% rate" since I believe that individual evaluation can improve those numbers.
     
  26. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Are you 11 years old?
     
  27. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I'm guessing it's a team that holds a pretty high draft pick. Otherwise, why even comment? My guess...Denver, or Arizona maybe?
     
  28. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I think you should say the team because that's precisely what the guy had in mind when he let the 'info' slip to an untrustworthy source.
     
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  29. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    So you're saying you wouldn't trust this guy?

    [​IMG]

    My personal opinion is the team in question is the Patriots. It would be just like Bill the Butcher to not want to touch a guy like Cam. They have already expressed an interest in Mark Ingram. Now, the news is that Fred Taylor is "retired."
     
  30. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly.

    Either you're completely making this stuff up, or you've proven yourself to be untrustworthy. Your attempts at withholding the name of the team does not make you more credible. You immediately ran to an internet message board.
     
  31. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    You mean to tell me that there's 1 of 32 NFL teams that doesn't like 1 specific player in the NFL draft? Wow. I'm shocked.
     
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  32. arsenal

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    who cares... im sure some teams had Dan Marino off of their draft board...

    even in this draft, im sure some teams have Ryan Mallet off their draft board too

    every team has different opinions on different players, some are right some are wrong...
     
  33. rafael

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    I'm surprised people are giving DJ so much grief over something that is so obvious. Whenever a player has character questions (for example being investigated by the NCAA or being kicked off of a team), there will be some teams that take him off their board. Why would anyone question that DJ spoke to someone who told him this? Do they just refuse to believe that anyone in the scouting department would tell a friend this? I could see if it was a new, unheard of poster, but why call a longtime poster a liar regarding an issue that is so likely factual? And no, he shouldn't say the team and violate the trust. I still speak to NFL agents from time to time and I would never say more than what they say I can say. I usually keep it to myself or just say I've heard "x" in some vague way. If people choose to believe me it's up to them.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    I think its the right thing to do to withhold the teams name, another reason is because my friend asked me to do so..

    I came to this message board because this is my home, and was excited to share some pretty serious information..

    I trust the source, The exchange of words did happen, if you dont trust me, than piss off, what can I tell you..
     
  35. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    what does any of this matter??.....Miami isnt drafting Cam Newton, he wont be around at 15.....
     
  36. djphinfan

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    ive been hard on Newton, his character, and his ignorance this offseason, maybe this info is too ironic with my comments for them to think it is real..
     
  37. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    It just sounds a bit like "I disagree with you're opinion on Newton therefore you must be a liar".
     
  38. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Only answering for myself here, but when I say I didn't put much stock in it, I wasn't trying to say I don't believe DJ. I have no problem believing he had this conversation. For me, and it's just a personal thing, but even when someone says they talked to an inside source directly I don't take it as gospel. For numerous reasons. One being it could be a smokescreen. Also the inside source could not be much of an inside source at all. People LOVE to pretend to know more than they actually do. Everyone seems to trump up their sources around here as being incredibly reliable, but how often have we seen them be completely wrong?

    Now, in this case you add an extra degree of separation between the poster and the "inside source" and now I'm really not putting a lot of faith in it.

    For the record, I want no part of Miami drafting Cam Newton.
     
  39. GARDENHEAD

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    Maybe you need to learn how to properly use the word "ironic".

    Whatever it was you posted in the OP was nothing more than unsubstantiated speculation. When no "Cam defenders" wanted to argue with you, you called us out, looking for a fight. Well guess what, buddy? I know people have concerns with Cam Newton. I don't care. The guy will DOMINATE the NFL and I him on our team. I could care less what one team thinks. One team's decision to take him off their board doesn't mean anything. Sorry your thread with your inside scoop didn't pan out the way you wanted it to.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    also,The reason why the info was exchanged is because when they first met they realized that they had played for and were in the circles of the some of the same football people...My friend was a big twelve tight end who is now in his forties..They know some coaches that were under the same tree.
     

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