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Williams sees changes ahead in Dolphins' backfield

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by xphinfanx, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ead-in-dolphins-backfield?module=HP_headlines

    Since he never recieved a new contract can he be traded draft day for a pick? I sure would not like seeing him in Jets or Pats colors.
     
  2. ToddsPhins

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    Stick a joint in him. he's done.
     
  3. TiP54

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  4. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I would love for the Dolphins management to make trading players they do not have under contract part of their philosophy. Could you imagine! Tom Brady becomes a free agent and the Fins trade him to an NFC team for a couple first rounders... We get Tom out of New England AND we get a couple first rounders... It is a win, win situation for the Fins!

    :)
     
  5. finserg

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    He done ? 4.2 per carrie over 600 yards as a back up, 2009 ran for over 1000 yds


    Do you even watch the games ? :pity:
     
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  6. CANEPHINS

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    Right now we only have 2 RB's on our roster...Hilliard and Sheets. I believe Brown and Williams will sign elsewhere and Cobbs won't be offered a contract. If 1 is kept, it will be Williams. However, he is going to have to do some repair work with the staff and team since he blasted them after the season. Maybe he has already done that, but I think the team is more open to keeping him over Brown.

    That being said...RB is our #1 priority heading into this draft. If we don't take Ingram in the first round, we HAVE to take the best available in the 3rd round. Other option is trading down to hopefully drop back in the first and then pick up a 2nd in the process. Then we can take a RB in the 2nd round.
     
  7. Desides

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    Actually, I think Sheets’ contract expired and he’s now an exclusive rights free agent. So, we have Hilliard on the roster and that’s all. I’m sure we’ll pick up at least one running back in the draft, and free agency (when, not if, it begins) will present a treasure trove of quality rushers.

    Fixed that for you. :lol:
     
  8. CaribPhin

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    If a second year QB couldn't do it, NO QB in this draft can do it on this team. Not a single one of these guys have shown they can be a day 1 guy.
     
  9. djphinfan

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    Iam ready to start from scratch...clean slate..

    Mark Ingram and Stanley Havili would smell nice and fresh.
     
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  10. finserg

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    We really need to keep one unless were sure we got someone as good or better ,I would take who ever comes cheaper
     
  11. ToddsPhins

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    <Sarcasm begets sarcasm> Yes, but you obviously don't because you'd know that his average is 3.97 if not for an EASY 45 yard TD at the end of the Raiders game where the ref blocks the only defender and there's no one else in sight to contest it. He had an UNTOUCHED 12 yard run on a toss before that.


    Titans game: Tack on the back-to-back, UNTOUCHED identical wildcat runs for 40 yards where the DE crashed down massively leaving a NOTHING outside to prevent a decent gain. The 2nd run SHOULD'VE been a 51 yard TD if it were a running back who hasn't lost a step. 3 runs and he's dropped to 3.79 YPC b/c he doesn't pick up the consistent tough yards we desperately needed.


    Cincy game: How about the 18 yard UNTOUCHED run where he couldn't finish the play for a TD? I could've pushed a double-wide through the hole (and daylight) he was provided. That was ALL blocking and zero Ricky. He had a 10 yarder at the end of the game where he was again UNTOUCHED again but couldn't break a big gain.

    Add on an UNTOUCHED 10 yard run vs NE that was ALL BLOCKING and ZERO Ricky. That could've been broken for a long run but Ricky held us back.

    Do you know what the following numbers represent?: 1, 8, 3, 8, 2, 6, 8, 6, 9, 8, 11, 6, 16, 8, 7, 28? These represent Ricky's longest run each game <when not including the 3 above mentioned EASY untouched runs>.

    If you remove the 7 aforementioned CAKE runs, his YPC is 3.55. That's PATHETIC.
    Out of the top 100 rushers, do you know where he ranks in 1st down %? How's 88th sound?
    How's 2 TDs sound despite Sparano giving his backs more opportunities than his QB inside the redzone?




    How'd he do on first down for us all year? How many times did he leave us in 3rd & long b/c he couldn't pick up yards on 1st & 2nd? What kind of threat or safety valve was he in the passing game? How many times did he fail to break through the 2nd level for a big play b/c he's lost a step? How many runs inside our opponents 35 did he fail on, leaving us kicking a FG rather than potentially scoring a TD?


    Why do you ask if I watch Ricky play when it seems you only watch his stats? lol.
    If you'd like a stat on how many times he rushed for 1 or less yards on 1st down, I'd be happy to look it up.


    By the way...... you do realize there's something called a "SHELF LIFE" for running backs right? Quoting 2009 stats is meaningless, especially when you could see Ricky hitting a wall late in the season that carried over through 2010.
     
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  12. finserg

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    If you want to go to if that if this i could go that way too ,If we drafted Ryan we would be in better shape ,if we never drafted ronnie we would have a better player , If we won more games we would of made the playoffs ,Lets stick to the facts ,Fact is he ran for over 1000 yds in 2009 and in 2010 as a backup he ran for over 600 Thats far from done in my book.


    He makes a perfect number 2 back and with a nice line he can break another 700 to 1000 yds easy.
     
  13. pennphinfan

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    Along those lines though if you eliminate the 7 longest easy TD catches that say Desean Jackson had last year he'd have about 7 fewer TDs and about 350-400 fewer receiving yards. I bet that would hurt his 'averages' if you didnt count them
     
  14. pennphinfan

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    That being said I don't see how he can say he brings positivity after what he said about this regime
     
  15. ToddsPhins

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    That's ridiculous. DeSean's ABILITY is what created his easy TDs in the first place, where as Ricky's current LACK OF ABILITY prevented him from breaking those runs into something more. If anything, Ricky should be penalized for it. None of the gains on those 7 runs were thanks to Ricky. Those 7 runs completely inflated his stats and are insignificant when compared to his other 153 runs that averaged 3.5 per carry. When you're a big, slower back who can't pick up solid yards on 1st down, that's a problem. He's not a COP back, so that's not acceptable.
     
  16. ToddsPhins

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    what are you talking about "if game"? You're using this to segway into a "we shouldve taken Ryan"? That makes zero sense. If Ricky is 2 years younger, he breaks those plays for TDs. There's no if game. He's lost a step plain and simple. What's not to understand about a player losing a step is no longer the same player he once was?

    RIcky's not a good number 2 for MANY reasons:

    a. He's old and can't be relied upon to carry the load if the #1 goes down.

    b. He's lost a step.

    c. He was ineffective gaining yards on 1st down. NOTHING about that says "perfect" #2.

    d. He's now limited in his ability to make plays out of the backfield.

    e. Clearly you choose to ignore the fact that Sparano wants a running back by committee where the backs COMPLIMENT each other more than they did with R & R. Tony wants the explosiveness of a Jahvid Best type, a guy who is a threat to score at any moment, which is NOT RICKY WILLIAMS.
     
  17. Desides

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    I have no problem starting Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, or even Ryan Mallett day one if it means Henne is riding pine. Greg McElroy is on the bubble.
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    then I guess you have no problem losing from day 1 either.
     
  19. NJFINSFAN1

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    And that will be different from last year how?
     
  20. finserg

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    Do you think the teams thinks anything positive of Saprano after the owner travels to meet with another coach ,Mark my words and i hope sure i get proven wrong,We will have another losing record and We go back next year to finding a new coach and back to square one.
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    uhhh probably because we won from day one.

    And day two. And shouldve won day three if not for special teams and the sputtering wc. There's no way a rookie gives us a chance against NY's defense if the Jets offense puts up 21 early points like Henne did. A rookie will most likely not carry the team against GB and Pitt in what shouldve been 2 wins. We shouldve began the season 6-1. I don't see a rookie doing that against Buff & Minne on the road followed by toughest 4 game stretch in football.
     
  22. djphinfan

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    This defense deserves better production from their backs..
     
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  23. NJFINSFAN1

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    We were 7-9, we stunk. No would of, could of, should of's count, you either win or lose.

    I like Henne, but if we got Gabbert or Mallett, you start them unless Henne beats them out.

    If we get Newton I puke!
     
  24. CaribPhin

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    Regardless of dislike of a player, that has no grounding in success. You dislike a player so much you'd actually hurt the team?
     
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  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Iam about to watch the third game of the season from last year, after the 2 incredible weak *** fumbles that R AND R had that almost cost their team the game, iam anxious to see their disposition going into the next game, it should be nasty as hell if they have any heart...cause right now at this point which is after 2 games of the season, they're the only 2 players that are on my sh$# list..the rest of the team has played great.
     
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  26. CaribPhin

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    No one is saying start Henne from day 1 without competition. But we do have some posters who would start an unproven rookie straight up without competition. If one beats him out, of course you start them. But you don't just throw a rookie out there without him competing with the 3rd year player. Rather than use an emotion response because they dislike Henne, they should actual be rational.
     
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  27. ToddsPhins

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    even combining the best traits of both, they still combine for nothing more than an average back. That's not acceptable for a "supposed" running team. The A#1 most important part of this offseason is gaining the ability to pick up solid yards on first down. You can't operate an offense on 3rd & long with a possession based offense/personnel. That sets us up for failure and puts any young QB seriously behind the 8 ball. While youre re-watching the games, notice the difference in our passing results throughout the year when the ground game is picking up yards on 1st & 2nd compared to when it's not.
     
  28. texanphinatic

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    They can't rationally think think that the future of the team would be better served by having a rookie get a year of game experience instead of throwing out a mediocre QB? I'm not saying we should or will start a rookie over Henne without competition, but I would be neither surprised nor bothered if it happened. I don't see that Henne has a future starting for us, and maybe the coaches don't either.
     
  29. CANEPHINS

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    Just curious as to why everyone loves Mallett? This guy makes as many bad decisions as he makes good throws. Sure he has the height and the arm, but his brain isn't one of the best when it comes to decision making.

    Why would we be better off with him starting over Henne on day 1?

    I am not in the Mallett camp as a fan. I would be just as happy if we went Ingram in the first and then someone like Stanzi in the 3rd...who gives you all the physical tools that you can get with Mallett minus the horrible decisions.
     
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  30. ToddsPhins

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    I agree on the puking.
    and I agree on a rookie strarting if he beats Henne out. I just don't see that happening in year 1. I'm not sure if some people realize just how QB unfriendly our offense was last year. If that trend continues, it could destroy a rookie QB; if the trend doesn't continue, then I see no reason why we can't make a playoff run with a more experienced Henne while the rook develops. In the 2nd year is when I would expect the battle for #1 to occur.
     
  31. ToddsPhins

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    heck, they'd first have to beat out Brandstater for the 3rd spot if he's still on the roster. That might not even happen right away.
     
  32. ToddsPhins

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    that means potentially sacrificing a season when instead the rookie can take a year to develop without being thrown into the fire.
     
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  33. NJFINSFAN1

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    32 TD's last year and 12 ints in 2008 he had 30TDs and 7 ints.

    Look at Henne's stats from Michigan.

    Again, I like Henne, but Mallett is growing on me more by the day.
     
  34. NJFINSFAN1

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    You act like the teams he played were nobody? Your going to use the senior bowl, really????

    Again, I like Henne, but Mallett has all the tools.
     
  35. Desides

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    Benching Henne helps the team by default. The quarterbacks I listed are all better than Henne. Win-win.
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    In other words, Henne is subpar and our quarterback situation is in the crapper.
     
  38. MikeHoncho

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    Go away Ricky. Have a nice rest of your career elsewhere, preferably out west.
     
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  39. ToddsPhins

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    NJ, easy there...... I was just busting your chops.
     
  40. ToddsPhins

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    That's amusing you say that despite none of them ever playing an NFL snap or proving they can beat a team like the Packers in Lambeau.
     

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