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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Jt0323

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    Sorry forgot to post spoiler tags. My cousin went to smackdown last night. I apologize
     
  2. muscle979

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    Yeah I thought it was pretty odd seeing Truth out there considering the last time I saw him in the ring he was jobbing for Jack Swagger who seems stuck in the Lawler/Cole feud for the time being. It seemed completely out of left field. I was fully expecting Dolph Ziggler to pin him.
     
  3. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm and he inferred this from smackdown?
     
  4. Samphin

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    Lucky....it was ANNOUNCED on Smackdown. It is taped every week on Tuesdays.

    Finkle, I am not saying they shouldn't feud. I actually think it makes a ton of sense as you do. But the WWE just won't pull that trigger.
     
  5. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    Thin ice indeed

    I hope things get cleaned up as I don't want them to give up on him too soon.

     
  6. Ray Finkle

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    I figured they would dump the entrance since he almost botched it in his first appearance. He looked kind of sloppy on Monday too. You have to wonder if the WWE will move him to Smackdown during the annual draft so they can control his matches a little more with different camera angles and the magic of editing to make him look smoother.
     
  7. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    http://pwinsider.com/article/57139/the-rocks-return-to-wwe-is-set.html?p=1



    Interesting
     
  8. Ray Finkle

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    Very interesting. Part of the appeal of WM28 will be seeing Rock wrestle for the first time in 8 years. I can't see The Rock sticking around full time since it will be very hard to keep him and Cena away from each other or 11 months and if Rock starts wrestling the aura will die down. Maybe it's just an advertisting error since The Rock is filming a movie right now but we will see soon.
     
  9. muscle979

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  10. TheAnswer385

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    The Rocks Twitter page:
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    Matt Hardy is claiming that Jeff needs back surgery and might retire. He's also saying he broke his arm last night at the TNA PPV. Meh to both sets of 'news'.
     
  12. Samphin

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    Raw is taped tonight. And without giving too much away...I will just say that I am going to go ahead and stand by my thoguht that the rumors of John Morrison being in the doghouse because of WM were completely overstated.
     
  13. unluckyluciano

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    damnit you ruined this night for me!!!
     
  14. Samphin

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    What if I share some of my hot turdicken?
     
  15. unluckyluciano

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    Then I will declare this night saved and declare you to be a saint.......
     
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  16. Ray Finkle

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    I guess we're just going to agree to disagree on this one. It seems to me like the WWE changed their minds during the week. There's nothing that happened tonight that couldn't have happened last week, except making R-Truth look dumb for accepting a no win situation match. I do hope that the main event turns into a 4 way now though, might as well keep R-Truth in the main event too.

    For whatever it's worth Dave Lagana, a former writer for the WWE, tweeted that he believes the plan with R-Truth changed.
     
  17. Silverphin

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    That was a freaking cop out. I mean, really?
     
  18. Samphin

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    Oh it absolutely changed Ray. Probably due to Truth asking for water during a live telecast and showing how blown up he actually was. But they put Morrison right back in the main event spot, which should shed some light on how he isn't really in any doghouse to begin with.

    Not when they could have put a myriad of others on Raw tonight to accomplish the same exact thing. Punk, Orton, Sheamus, or even someone like Bryan could have easily been called upon to walk out, talk trash about Killings's conditioning and then take his spot.
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Again agree to disagree, because it makes zero sense to have R-Truth beat Morrison last week only to lose his spot the following week. Why even bother with Morrison losing? If the ultimate goal was to simply turn Truth heel it could have been done last week. It seems to me like the WWE wanted to send Morrison a message and let him know they could job him out at anytime and once they saw Truth was gassed out they decided to make the switch back. Explain to me why they would job Morrison out one week ago and now he's ok to be back in the main event again? It makes no sense when it's not going to put any added heat on Morrison that way. And just because he's back in the main event picture doesn't mean he wasn't in the dog house for his comments, there's not a set limit of time as to when someone has to stay there. For all we know Morrison could have apologized to Trish or washed Vince's car or went over Pat Patterson's house to watch Glee with him and got back on their good graces.

    As for why the WWE went back to Morrison? Because he was the original plan? Because he makes the most sense to put in there if they're going with a fresh face in the main event scene? Punk and Orton are still feuding with each other so they're out (plus it wouldn't be fresh), Sheamus is the US Champion right now, and I don't think the WWE loves Bryan enough to put him in a main event. There's really no one else on RAW who could be up in that spot outside of Triple H.

    But hey you make very well be right just like I could, the WWE has done stranger things before.
     
  20. Samphin

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    It makes no sense because the plan DID change. And for a couple of reasons. My time in the business taught me that everything has a domino effect, so what else happened besides Truth gassing on national TV?

    Edge retired. The biggest babyface on Smackdown! other than Taker had to instantly call it quits, which means the WWE is in full on panic mode. And now, all of a sudden the draft is announced and it is next week. An event that is usually hyped for a few weeks is hastily announced 7 days prior with very little build up. Why?

    Because they have to fill the face void on Smackdown, which means guys like Orton (most likely) are going to be moving over. And guys like Morrison, will have to, by default, be higher up on the card.

    As for losing one week and winning the next, the WWE does it all the time. Hell, Jack Swagger went from losing every week to winning MitB and the Heavyweight Championship. The WWE is notorious for building guys up, then bringing them down, only to build back up again.
     
  21. Samphin

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    And speaking of the draft, I have a feeling that Smackdown is going to be the big winner this year. Not sure what the format is this year (the last few has been based on matches won), but I assume the big name that will move is Randy Orton to Smackdown. I also wouldn't mind seeing Sin Cara move to SD as well, but that presents all kinds of problems with Misterio being there already. Plus, HHH is pretty much responsible for Sin Cara being here so I assume he will stick around.

    Sheamus is stagnating right now, even as U.S. Champ, so I could see him following Orton to Smackdown and figuring out a way to get either Barrett back on Raw, or at least the IC title. Dibiase needs a change too, but having Orton, Rhodes and Dibiase on the same show is asking for trouble as people will remember that faction still.

    Big Show/Kane...I could see one of them switching to Raw. My preference is Show.

    I also wouldn't mind seeing Evan Bourne, Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, Jack Swagger or Drew McIntyre switch brands. I like the idea of McIntyre and Sheamus teaming up as some sort of European Powers tag team.
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    Right, I get and understand all of that but it still does nothing to help prove your originial theory/point that Morrison wasn't in the doghouse. You just dismiss it because he's back in the main event now, when there are certain factors that could have contributed to him being re-inserted, like what you wrote above.

    The WWE knew last week that Edge had to retire yet still went ahead and had Morrison lose. It's not like the Edge thing happened mid-week. You could argue with the void left by Edge it makes no sense to turn Truth heel now certainly since the WWE has a pretty solid heel group with Miz, Punk, Del Rio, Barrett, and even Sheamus and Jericho waiting to return once DWTS is done while the face side of things is thin with only Cena, Orton and Mysterio as true main eventers with Taker and Triple H (when they can wrestle) waiting in the wings.

    Again maybe it's just me.
     
  23. Ray Finkle

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    I was actually going to post my predictions on who goes to RAW/Smackdown. I pretty much agree with you on who should go/stay definitely think Sheamus needs to be switched with Barrett. I could see swapping Mysterio with Cara too. Dibiase needs to be moved since he's done nothing on RAW, maybe Cody Rhodes will be switched to RAW to keep Legacy away from each other. Rumors is Jack Swagger is going to turn face soon so he might stay on Smackdown longer to help fill the face void there.
     
  24. TheAnswer385

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    Was it me or did Raw really suck last night? The R-Truth/Morrison thing was a joke and made both of them look like idiots.
     
  25. TheAnswer385

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    Speaking of that, doesn't it look like Dolph is in for a face turn? I don't like the new look compared to the burnt out white hair of the past. They put him against Mr. AllStarBumpTaker so he could look like a force again.
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    RAW has been bad for months now, outside of anything CM Punk has done (as he's been carrying RAW), The Rock's return promo in Feb, the big Rock/Cena/Miz segment the week before WM and the Triple H/Taker/HBK promo. Everything else has been bad/boring. I love The Miz too but I can't remember anything he's done on RAW that has been meaningful either outside of his matches with Morrison in early Jan and the Lawler ladder match.

    And yes the R-Truth/Morrison thing was a joke and it especially made R-Truth look like a fool for accepting the "no win situation" match only to lose. I mean Morrison didn't even have to twist his arm to accept it. Granted the WWE probably wanted to embarass Truth a bit for the water stunt but still.

    Yeah Dolph doesn't have anything that makes him stand out anymore. He's just another generic WWE wrestler now. Not sure why he made or was ordered to change his look.
     
  27. Samphin

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    The Europe Raws are always bad. Like a house show.

    And Ray, I think our only bone of contention is how JoMo got into the doghouse. I still feel that the Trish Stratus stuff is overblown and didn't really hurt Morrison more than anything else he has done.
     
  28. Ray Finkle

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    Figured I'd post my thoughts on some of the WWE docs on instant Netflix:

    I watched The Big Show doc the other day and was really disappointed in it. The stuff with him growing up was pretty good but they totally ignored everything he did with WCW except for his debut feud against Hogan, they really glanced over his WWE career too outside of a few events like his Big Boss Man feud, winning the WWE title the first time, him and Brock breaking the ring on Smackdown and his match with Floyd Mayweather. They spent more time showing Big Show's tour bus he rides in. It was less than an hour long too. Don't get me wrong I didn't think it was going to be anything special but it was a let down.

    I also watched the Hart Family doc over the weekend while was boring, I don't care about any of Bret's brothers and sisters who never wrestled. They barely talked about Owen, Bulldog or Anvil which was really disappointing. The DVD should have focused on Stu's background and anyone of the Hart members who wrestled and a briefly talking about all of the wrestlers the Harts trained that made it big (like Jericho, Storm, Pillman etc).

    I loved the Ricky Steamboat one, just very well done like the WWE usually does with docs. Everything was pretty well covered except they really didn't talk about him leaving the WWE in 1988 and the reasons why and they really didn't cover his return to the WWE in 1991 although he was really only there for a few months and never did much.

    The 50 Greatest Superstars of All Timewas pretty entertaining if you don't get caught up in the listing/rankings. It was fun to see some of the bios on the older guys and older footage of them wrestling. Again I know a lot of people who hate it because they didn't agree with the rankings, but that stuff didn't really bug me since you have to know with the WWE they're going to rank guys based on who they like/don't like at that moment. It was definitely funny seeing guys like Batista or The Big Show in it though.

    I started watching the Hardy Boyz doc last night and although I'm sick of the Hardys and their kliq, I found it to be pretty enjoyable so far. I only watched Matt's part it loved seeing old footage of OMEGA and how him and Jeff got started. It was pretty interesting. Again this is coming from someone who's sick of the Hardys too, maybe it's because I'm a sucker for footage of older stuff (I loved seeing clips of Matt and Jeff fighting guys like Razor Ramon, Owen Hart or Hakushi in the mid 90s on RAW).

    The ones I have left are the Bobby Heenan doc which is next on my list and the John Cena one, although I'm not sure I will be able to watch that one.

    Eventhough a lot of the docs available aren't the best ones the WWE has produced it's still nice to be able to watch them since I'd never go out and buy any of them to begin with. I recommend any wrestling fans to really watch the WM one, Jericho one, 50 Greatest Superstars and the Steamboat doc for sure. It is too bad the matches aren't included but I've either seen or have most of the matches on the available docs anyway so it doesn't bother me too much.
     
  29. Rocky Raccoon

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    Why is R Truth drinking water between matches such a big deal? I don't get it. He had already wrestled 2 matches at that point.
     
  30. unluckyluciano

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    Because people are self righteous pricks.
     
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  31. Ray Finkle

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    Because real men don't drink water, Mikey! Seriously it's because he did it on live TV and was gassed during his match, it makes him look out of shape and weak. Not saying it's right or wrong but that's how it's viewed in the WWE's eyes.
     
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  32. Rocky Raccoon

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    Yeah, I would understand but he had already wrestled 2 matches in a row. That's pretty ridiculous on WWE's part.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    Eh others have wrestled back to back matches or matches that lasted 30 to 60 plus minutes and haven't taken a water break. It just shows the powers that be he wasn't in condition to wrestle. I understand he wrestled for awhile but still, he should have known better.
     
  34. muscle979

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    I enjoyed the rise and fall of WCW. It was really disappointing to me back then to see the decline of the organization, the documentary was entertaining and gave some decent insight into what was happening behind the scenes.

    The top 50 was enjoyable. I'd really like to get a hold of the Jericho documentary plus some matches. I'd definitely like to rewatch some of his WCW cruiserweight stuff. The Rock's DVD set was a great pickup and I want to add Jericho to the collection. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a good Mick Foley set in the future. I agree it's nice to be able to watch some of these on Netflix that I normally wouldn't be forking over the money for.
     
  35. muscle979

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    I agree, if you hydrate and prepare sufficiently ahead of time you should be able to work for half an hour without a water break.
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    Good call on the WCW one, I didn't mention it because I own it but yes I did enjoy that one too but felt like they could have done so much more with it. The ECW doc was great too, I strongly suggest that one.

    And yes Jericho's and The Rock's DVDs are must owns too.

    If you want a good Foley set, seriously check out I believe it's called "Mick Foley's Greatest Hits and Misses". It's just straight up matches but it's all his best ones, I own it and love it. You could probably find that one cheap now.
     
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  37. Silverphin

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    But that still is stupid. Just absolutely stupid. It irritates the heck out of me whenever a wrestler is de-pushed over something so trivial.
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    Well if he truly is out of wrestling shape then I don't blame them for the de-push. You can't be in a main event program and be sucking wind. If it was just for grabbing water then yeah it does seem silly. I mean most people wouldn't have noticed or cared or thought anything of it if Morrison didn't bring it up on RAW. Unfortunately people have been pushed and depushed for trivial crap all the time, it doesn't make it right or fair but it's part of the business.

    But my question is is Truth getting de-pushed? I don't think he will/is. I think this is going to turn into an angle and will be a 4 way match at the PPV. The WWE wouldn't have invested air time to Truth turning heel and beating up Morrison and then smoking. They would have just let Truth do the job and walk away if they were really that upset at him. I mean think about it, Truth is the newest heel on RAW and it was sort of a big deal and people are now talking about him more than they have in a months or years. If you want to bury someone you simply job them and take them off TV. You don't run angles with them or turn them.
     
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  39. Samphin

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    I am convinced that Dolph ****ed up his dye job and was forced to cut his hair as a result. I think it made him look like a roided up Evan Bourne, ironically enough.
     
  40. charlestonphan

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    that is pretty much exactly what i was thinking, especially the separated-at-birth from Evan Bourne part!
     

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