Rumour: La Confora reporting Dolphins are trying to get into round 2 for a QB

I'm on the Brooks Reed list ..... not for a QB .... all the SOLB will be gone shortly that have the speed required to be an impact player -- and Reed is Matthews-esque .... QB is a smoke screen to me

i just don't think we have the juice to do it ....

 

you will not move up in the 2nd round without giving up a first. The Chargers have done this quite a bit. A lot of this will depend on who is available next year in spite of Luck. If the Dolphins are in a position to get Luck next year this current regime will not be in Miami.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first

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The only way that'd work is if one of the first round picks was a top 5 pick. We're not a super bowl team, but we won't be picking top ten next year IMO either. Same goes for any team in the 20s who'd have been willing to trade up to 15.

Nope, the only real shot we have at Luck is to Suck.

 

and thats a bad thing how??

 

HA! oh i wasn't trying to make any sense, i was just blurting out the nerdiest star wars reference i could think of. Thats hysterical that theres an entire wiki page dedicated to that tho.

 

Still have yet to figure out exactly what Belichick is thinking by consistently rolling over current picks into future years? They have a window on Brady that's closing - he'll be 34 at the start of next season - so why they aren't all in to win another championship(s) right now is beyond me, especially considering they're not always going to have the luxury of the best QB in the league on their roster.

Oh well, screw them - its great for us.

 

I like CKap and would be fine spending a second on him, but I wouldn't be fine spending next year's first or second as well. I also thought that we couldn't trade players in this draft. If so, that would make the Wake portion of the rumor b.s.

I would not be fine with Mallett before the third. His issues are lack of athleticism, leadership, drug use and possibly lack of work ethic. Some have disregarded those but there is no question that those issues are out there.

 

My understanding is that teams can trade players today

 

Dude relax, you may have been part of DF-Dupree's quote/reply, but his cynicism was pointed at a much broader audience than just you that has been upset since last night.

 

Color me unenthusiastic about another 2nd round QB. I'll believe one can be successful for the Dolphins when I see one take us into the playoffs. I'd be pissed if they gave up a first rounder next year. Probably won't happen though.

 

i personally think Finyank is on to something and it scares the living hell out of me...

 

factoring what we would have to give up, stanzi in rd 3 much better option, draft picks way too valuable. in rd 2 there arent any qbs that are close to guarentees, so to sell the future for 1 too big a risk

 

I openly admit that there is 0 rationale or logic behind being afraid of drafting a QB in the 2nd. That being said, holy crap does the idea of taking any QB in the 2nd round scare the crap out of me!

My honest thoughts on this - Don't leverage the future for a 2nd round QB. Ireland decided that Dalton or Mallet weren't upgrades. If they liked either of them, even Colin K., as the most important position on the field they should have taken him at 15 or traded down to get the second and grab one at the bottom of the first.

 

All Ricky Stanzi would do is make Chad Henne look amazing in training camp.

 

Oh believe me boys and girls, go listen to WEEI, thats scenrio is talked about alot.....listen BB knows how important a quaterback is in this league, and he also knows that guys like Brady dont fall off trees, Luck is going to be the surest thing coming out since Manning, it is a no brainer to stockpile 1st and make a run....no GM wants to be the guy to turn down 3-1st rounders......

my stomach literally turns at the thought of it....

 

No offense, but this is exactly the thinking that has left us without a legitimate player at the QB position for a decade-plus.

If they believe in one of these guys, with conviction, then they should draft him. If you hit on a QB, does the cost really matter? Its an invaluable asset in today's league.

 

That's the key. If they believed one of the QBs left was an upgrade over Henne, and decided that they still would rather have Pouncey, it's a mistake on their part and shows they still do not understand the importance of a QB in today's NFL. If they thought none of the guys left would be better than Henne, then I'm ok with them upgrading the line.

 

I was thinking the very same thing LOL

 

No to letting this regime trade away future picks.........Bill Cowher will need those next year

 

So you were thinking of trolling as well

 

I can't wait for everyone to complain bout Bill Cowher

 

the only solace you can have there is that even 3 first rounders might not get that trade done. Especially if none of those picks are in the top 5-top ten area. (And right now the saints and pats 1sts are almost locks to be late 20s...) Any team picking first overall almost certainly has qb issues and would be ridiculed forever for passing on Luck when they had the chance.

but if someone like the raiders has a hard on for andy dalton or Ryan mallet and trades their first next year..........

 

What if Miami trades their #1 draft next year and there is no draft next season?

 

That's absolutely right.

NOBODY is going to pass on Luck if they need a QB. I don't care if you offer 5 first rounders. A legit franchise QB secures your team for the next 15 years. If your offense is potent enough, your defense can even be just average and you can win a super bowl.

 

I'll leave the trolling to you.
Setting the world on fire today are ya?

 

Tell that to the Vikings (90's), Pats (2006-Present), Dolphins (Marino Era) and many other great offensive, but average to below average defensive teams.

Not many teams with an average defense have won Championships. However, many average to below average QB's have.

 

I personally didn't think any of the QBs in this year's draft was better than a 2nd rounder. If we take Mallet, I'll be okay with that. He needs to work on his delivery, IMO, but he could potentially be a steal. I think he is the most complete QB in this draft. But I would rather see us grab a speedy receiver or a RB if we move into round 2. But if we give up a 1st next year to do it, I think I will vomit.

 

Sadly, I think Ireland and Sparano are pondering doing just that. Why worry about 2012 when you need a good 2011 to keep your job? Let the next GM/coach deal with not having a first rounder.

 

If they are thinking only of 2011 why in the hell would you move up to get Mallet or Kaepernick.
Come to think of it why in the hell would you move to get these two if you are thinking long term.
Trading picks to move up in round 2 is clown shoes anyways.

 

That was 20 years ago. The NFL has changed.

also, the Pats almost went undefeated in 2007. Brady got injured in the very first game in 2008. There is a reason why the Pats didn't win a SB in that time frame, but they sure almost did something historic.

Regardless, QB is the most important position on the team. Are you trying to argue that?

 

Id wait and trade with someone other than NE if their target is still on the board. Giving NE an asset terrifies me

 

Take a look at the last 10 Super Bowls and tell me what the defensive and offensive rankings were. Points per game and not any of that yardage crap.

So the Pats ALMOST won the Super Bowl in 2007? Well, so did a lot of other teams that year if you want to play that game. Brady got injured and yet they still won 11 games...hmmmm...defense maybe? lol

And yes, I'm arguing that you can't definitively say that any one position is more important than another when talking about the extreme TEAM sport of NFL football. If Brady played for the Lions do you think he'd have 3 Super Bowl rings? If Rivers, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Ryan, Flacco, McNabb, Cutler, and a few other QB's played on those same Pat teams they'd have three Super Bowl rings too.

 

Did anyone forget we drafted Scott Mitchell?

 

Because you have ruined Henne and need another QB. You draft Mallet hoping he has a "Bradford-like" year as a rookie. As long as the team finishes the year on a strong note, especially with a rookie QB, you probably keep your jobs.

 

I don't take that route at #15.

 

Perhaps you wait until the middle of the round and see if there's a RB you like enough to pick and you offer San Diego your first rounder next year for their second and third this year. You land Ryan Williams and add say Lance Kendricks as well. Then you add another RB, a speed WR, and a fifth round quarterback. Would Ryan Williams plus Lance Kendricks do it for anyone for next year's first?

As far as Ryan Mallet goes, apparently they didn't like him enough to pick him in the first. I don't think you need to know much more than that about him. It would be shocking if they traded into round two to get him. Heck if he passes Cinncy that especially tells you they were never all that high on him. I think Miami stays where they are and adds one of the talented receiving TEs, perhaps Williams or Kendricks. They add a RB or two and then begin to attack any remaining skill position needs in free agency.

The one possibility I still see is Miami adding Carson Palmer perhaps for Devone Bess later in the off-season and then adding say Greg Camarillo and Jacoby Jones to fill in.

 

I have no desire to see this front office trade any of next years draft picks in an attempt to trade up into the second round this year. I would much prefer that the new front office, which will certainly take over after the Dolphins finish last in the AFC East this season, have all their draft picks available to them next year. I have no faith in Ireland or Sparano and Ross is to blame for the mediocre team on the field since he has done nothing since taking over ownership of the Dolphins, to improve the front office or the coaching staff. Right now with the lack of talent the Dolphins have on offense and special teams, they are going to be in the running to have the first pick in the 2012 draft. I would much rather take a chance on having an opportunity to get Andrew Luck next year than trade next years first round pick for a second tier QB in this years draft.

 

Not the case anymore. It's become a passing league. Also, it's amazing how a great offense can make a below average defense look pretty damn good.

 

No, you fix the OL at #15, then you decide you have nothing to lose by a longshot gamble on a QB and trade away future picks. Note: I don't want this to happen, I just don't trust Ireland/Sparano to avoid damaging the team's future prospects for the sake of trying to save themselves in the present.

Look, if the gamble works you have a franchise QB, if not you won't be around to worry about the lack of a first rounder.