This team isn't going to the next level if it can't run the ball. You do understand that we were 6-1 last year when Ronnie & RIcky combined for 100+ yards right?
It is hard to consider the 3rd when it comes to "giving up." No team is going to trade a third for a second.
Honestly? How about you have pointed out 6 needs; I will counter with 4 remaining picks. With that fact in mind it appears to me that we will again come up short. As for comparing us to the Pats how can I when they operate at warp speed while we are in reverse. I would cry but football men don't cry they just say "Wait til next year!"
How did we give up a 3rd rounder? You realize when you take a person with a pick, you give up that pick, right? He WAS our 3rd round pick. it simply cost us a 5th and 7th to move up. VERY SMART MOVE.
I heard a guy who's covered Florida Football on Sedano's Podcast say that not only is Pouncey half the player his brother is, but also isn't even the best interior O-lineman in Florida (some guy from Florida State). I saw the highlights of Daniel Thomas and he's tall, doesn't lower his pads, and holds the ball loosely when he runs. Zero fumbles my a$$. But yeah, all of it is just a gut reaction on my part. BTW-I was counting the 3rd rounder when I say they gave up 3 picks...
we got a second rounder, the skins got a third, fifth and seventh. Yeah it needed to be part of the trade, we still gave it up along with 2 other picks to move up.
B. Pouncey wasn't a sexy pick but he'll definitely be doing some hard work for us for a long time at a critical position. Same thing with Jake Long a few years back. Turned out pretty good eh? As far as Daniel Thomas only time will tell. Definitely a head-scratcher. I'm hoping to get some more weapons on offense with our later picks and ufa's. Please get Noel Devine.
There will/may still be free agency this year. Not many teams fill ALL needs in the draft. I know it's throwing people off this year since FA usually precedes the draft but if there is going to be NFL football this year, there will be a FA period. We can fill any remaining needs then.
Most people seem to love what their FO is doing/has done, but they have won just as many playoff games as our FO. That's all.
Uh... ok, I've had alot to drink tonight, but how do you rate one pick an A, the other a C, and end up with an overall C-??? Shouldn't your average be somewhere in between I give the Pouncey pick an A. It filled a need, he can contribute day 1, should open up the run game, provide extra protection in the pass game and should be solid for many years. Thomas, while Im still learning, I'd say B-. I don't like the concerns with fumbles, I dont line the fact we gave up alot to move up for him. I like the potential of the pick, and the filling of a major need. RB though is still a position that isnt complete here. Whether that means another draft pick, or the signing of a free agent, or the resigning of ronnie brown, or ricky. The job isnt dont at RB
And I've heard more than 20 NFL analysts say Mike Pouncey has all the makings to become everything his brother was this past season. I like our odds with him. And again, if he's average...we still come out with a win in this one, given that our other LG on the roster is Ray Feinga. There wasn't much else at the 15 spot for us.
Its not benefit of the doubt, it's just a basic understanding of the game. You have the draft, and then FA, mini camps, training camp, etc. I want to see these guys on the field before I declare them good picks or bad picks. I want to see who we trade/sign between now and August. Mallett has apparently been annointed as some great QB, kinda like Brady Quinn was. We do have one thing in common though, you don't want to give the benefit of the doubt tol the front office, and I don't want to give it to the fans.
We gave up a 5th and 7th rounder to move up for a guy who is probably our starting running back right now. We'll probably have to take another back, or sign one in FA, but he was the last starting caliber RB available so I dont mind losing a couple late round picks to make sure we get him.
And some fans just enjoy keeping their heads buried in the sand........... I will be looking forward to seeing who's foolish in Dec. I guess guys like You and Sparano, Ireland and owner of the team will need all that time to December to realize the trian wreck that has been created. Think most of us have already got it..after observing the last 2 years.......hey I'd love to be wrong......... As far as a Bills fan, Probably be less frustrated but Ive been a dolphin fan since their inception and you were probably not ever a thought....so I will die with aqua and orange running through my veins. And continue expressing my opinion and pain to an organization I grew up with and went through the ups and downs with for over 40 years. So don't lay on me your holier then thou routine because you can't deal with reality........ You got a problem with whinning ? first look at yourself.............
Yes, because you are clearly the only person with a "basic understanding of the game" on this board. I am stunned you aren't employed by the Phins to be frank. I think most of us have an opinion of the picks, and some are happy, some are unhappy, and some are ambivalent at this point. If Thomas comes out and rushes for 1500 yards I will be happy to be wrong, and will welcome his production. For the moment though, it is a pick I am not happy with.
As you have enjoyed saying, their is also FA and more picks. Passing on a guard in the first round probably would not have been the end of the world.
Pounceys a solid pick....i say A- or B+. Thomas could end up being good, we have no clue yet. That being said, based on the trade and what i do know, id give it a B-.
Who else would we have taken there? Mark Ingram is the only other guy I could have seen there. Mallett has never deserved a 1st round pick to me. Other than that, I can't think of anyone.
B- ...solid players, not spectacular. Filled definite need. Addressing the interior OL and RB were easily the biggest need for this draft. Went from a B+ (talent level) to a B- because only having 4 picks in the first 5 rounds to begin with and then trading one of those picks to move up means both Pouncey and Thomas have to pan out or this draft will likely be a total bust. If both players don't pan out may rival Cam Cameron's draft...ouch!
Fixed it for ya. No, I'm not employed by the Phins, but there are hundreds of scouts and coaches who are, and they felt like taking Pouncey & Thomas was a good idea. Obviously their thousands of hours of hard work and study is no match for your superior football acumen. Perhaps you should send your resume' in and restore order.
Starter maybe, "starting caliber"? I don't think so. If you can name another starter type RB who we could've gotten 17 picks later I'd love to hear about him.
doesn't that bird in your avy stick his head in the sand all the time? just sayin. You're acting like a troll. There's nothing "holier than thou" about telling you that.
gotchya.... so you're OK with mediocrity at running back but you're complaining about our draft and losing a 5th and 7th round pick?
Incredibly lame "argument." The FO has been horribly wrong before many, many times, and the people who criticized them have been right.
Yes because they have NEVER EVER EVER been wrong before. Righto, Gotcha. Gods amongst men they are. I am looking forward to seeing Turner haul in some bombs from Henne, while Shawn Murphy and Donald Thomas level the opposing defenders who dare stand against our might! God knows a fan can't have an opinion now. And that opinion never actually turns out to be correct ever. I am sorry (want to be GM)Johnson, your mighty intellect clearly has put me in my place. I will now humbly prepare for another amazing season, our continuing offensive onslaught and more wins than I can count.
Those aren't starters.... and Carter does NOT what this regime wants. You don't just toss em all into a hat and pick at random. They have to FIT what we're trying to do. Daboll had a big athletic back who could hurt teams in multiple ways. Daniel Thomas is possibly the closest fit to that left on the board. You don't "pass" on your running back of desire b/c your 5th round pick is now more important to you. that's insane when we don't have a starting back.
hey, if you're not a fan of his, then that's ok.... and I haven't had a beef with much of what you've said Phins. I'm more in disagreeance about the whole "using our 5th and 7th" to trade up.
are you ever optimistic about anything? just curious. This is actually a draft that SHOULD give us optimism. We are GUARANTEED to be better because of it. I'm not sure why someone would be disappointed for having an improved team.
Yes, I was highly optomistic about last season. I was waiting for Henne to break out, for Marshall to explode here in Miami. Unfortunately it was yet another disappointing season. I am losing optimism. I will cheer when they do well, but I am over giving them the benefit of the doubt at this point. I am not entirely sure how a center with snapping problems and slow fumble prone RB make us all that much better. If they prove me wrong I will eat some delicious crow - I don't mind it. With this franchise I am at the point where I would rather be proven wrong as a pessimist than as an optimist.
Uh huh. And the fans on the message board are batting 1.000? C'mon man. If you're going to give an opinion, at least try to make it an semi-educated opinion. If you dont, and you're overly negative, I'm gonna call you out for it, period. If a Jets fan cam in here talking like some of these so called Fins fans, people would want to have them banned, and rightly so. It's April, get a grip. Crying over spilled milk is one thing, now we're crying over milk that hasn't even left the cow yet.
I count 26 previous draft picks from this current FO and 1 pro bowler from that group. Our "hundreds" of scouts/coaches might need some overtime. Time will tell for every rookie but as of now it doesn't look like we are changing our losing ways.
When you're done being a douche, try watching some film on Thomas & Pouncey, maybe read a scouting report or two so that you'll have somewhat of a clue. Hiding behind sarcasm is kinda lame.
