[Merged] Henne and Offense | Dolphins tried trading up for Mallett

Hey, that's what I was saying. You need to know what you have before draft a guy like Mallett, or else you could be setting the team & Ryan up for failure. I thought he and our pre-draft offense was like oil and water together (not to mention who our head coach is).

 

Armando: Dolphins tried to trade up for Mallett

Basically, the Dolphins weren't 'less smart' than New England. They had the same valuation as the teams with the highest opinion of Mallett. They just had didn't have the ammo to get it done.

 

that also doesn't help us with defensive backs who are playing zone who can sit and watch his drop. That's why they knew what plays were coming. It wasn't because Henne was telegraphing plays; it was because the freaking plays, themselves, were. Ed Reed thinking to himself: "5 step drop, 5 step drop, 5 step drop"---- "hey we know what route combination this might be".

I'm surprised Henne didn't throw more picks than he did.

 

Bah, I didn't realize you'd combined the articles.

 

Great analysis on the impact the new offense will have on Henne. It seems like we were outcoached for most of the second part of the year because of a transparent gameplan, not merely an ineffective QB. Henne has many of the tools needed to succeed so I dont mind giving him another chance to execute in a more savvy offense. Makes us missing on Mallett that much more forgivable IMO.

The only part that still bothers me is that we benched the kid last season when the offensive playcalling is now being cited as the primary culprit for our offenses struggles. If they knew the playcalling was poor, they shouldnt have benched Henne. This regime rocked Henne's confidence and made him the scapegoat in our fans' eyes. That is the single biggest failure of the Sparano regime to date.

 

No kidding!
Henne might be more excited about this draft than he was the 2008 one.

It's gotta be a nice boost to his confidence & spirit, too---- knowing that his skill set will have a chance to be better utilized.

The Bears game looked like something out of a movie..... like the Bad News Bears of football (except we're the Bears). lmao.

 

I think it had to do with Sparano being too big of a ***** to stand up against Dan Henning.

 

You mean we finally get a playbook that was created after or at least around the time I was born? Woo hoo! Modern NFL offense here we come.

 

I believed then (and still believe) that much of the reason for his benching was to allow us to isolate the problem---- that they wanted to make certain it was Henning's doings before they asked him to "retire".

What's the best way to identify a problem when there are multiple variables involved? You remove one of the variables and see if the problem persists. Henne was removed, and the problem persisted.

 

Are you trying to tell me we ran one ****ing drop the entire year? I didn't even notice that, ALONG WITH THE PA, along with bull**** play calling when ahead in the game, along with the #2 Mastrud and the ineffective Polite, and then we make to not use Marshall in the slot except for two or three games. How the heck did Miami even score last year?

 

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As far as the QB position it's probably a "more" positive sign that they are not sold on Henne. I mean IMHO they should have more of a clue then "not sold". I'm always a little taken back how people seem to forget the many inadequacies of Henne last year. Poor throws, overthrown passes, miss reads, interceptions, even in several games, were the line actually gave him sufficient time.
Damn I'd love to think that Henne is going to turn out to be somewhat qualitative but I can't fool myself to that level. I saw a lack of ability along with the aspect of him not having the greatest tools around him.....be easier getting a new QB than acquiring the amount of players you'd need to "possibly make him sufficient. Maybe we got one or two, 3? who knows at this point

I think there will be a lot of QB available in free agency that are an upgrade from Henne, which IMO isn't saying much. Bad thing is although an upgrade, and would benefit us, we'd still be behind the 8-ball as far as that position. Only cure I see at this point is getting a top pick in next years draft.......(funny I first wrote getting some "luck" in next draft)

Also feel that in todays game the odds are highly against a team being competitive without a somewhat balance offense and that putting all your eggs in one basket (Ground gm.) will not cut it even if you had the old Bears defense.
You need a decent QB to have any kind of a shot and we don't and the organization I think or hope knows it and just won't admit it out right because it falls right in their laps. And the thing that surprises me most is as time goes on many of the fans are falling for the BS or at minimum rethinking the Henne possibilities.....
Hey but I wouldn't mind wasting this year with another attempt with him behind the center, it give us a much better shot at next years draft. But you can bet you bottom dollar Ireland will replace Henne as soon as possible....
Why ? his future

 

you're forgetting subbing in the wildcat on 3rd and long and in the redzone or on 1st down for no gains after Henne is marching down the field.

 

Keep the blinders on buddy. Keep em on.

Do you even understand the implications a freakin constant 5 drop has on an offense's and QB's success?

And about the "missed passes"---- you do realize that Peyton Manning has like 3000 incompletions right?

 

ToddsPHins

LOL

everytime I see your avitar I think How appropriate............

 

I don't have a problem with the wildcat per say....... but when it's running for 1.7 per carry and killing drives, you shouldn't be running it when the offense is moving without it. That was a problem IMO. It needlessly killed many drives that were doing just fine without it..... and you could see Henne's frustration on the sideline (and justifiably so).

 

why? because your other window has tranny porn playing on it?

 

Derrick Locke is a FA too? Heck I'd open a competition for a couple of these guys. Tell them I've got a NFL job to offer you of perhaps 12 touches per game right here. Derrick Locke and Graig Cooper.

 

Play nice and don't be a Boob

 

Sounds like a little bit of excuse-making for not finding a replacement quarterback, which admittedly isn't an easy thing to do.

With that said, I liked our draft.

 

That is like asking a painter not to paint or a singer not to sing.

 

what he said.

 

I thought the secret cabal of Henne homers agreed not to respond to abbi...

 

"And about the "missed passes"---- you do realize that Peyton Manning has like 3000 incompletions right?"

LOL what is that supposed to mean.. P. manning 3000 incomplete passes ya but not all to open recievers

KingMotion They haven't ..............but god bless them they are trying....lol

 

We protected with 7 guys for much of the season; where are these "open" receivers coming from? Did we sign Mike Wallace and DeSean Jackson without me realizing it?

You don't lead the league in throw aways when guys are wide open; however you do lead in throw aways when your're playing with 6 practice squad guys, no ground game, poor protection, horrendous predictable play-calling, and skill players who <as a collective> are timed with a sun dial.


You don't need to read between the lines. It means what it means--- that even Manning has missed 3000+ passes. You think Manning's receivers (2 potential HOF receivers and one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL) have been any "less open" than Henne's?

 

Since when is a second round QB expected to start right away?

 

appreciate the football talk. And to a point agree with some of what your saying. But Marshall and Bess I wounldn't consider practice squad but I do acknowledge the fact that for whatever reasons these guys at times weren't getting very open.

Where we differ is that I've seen way to many Open receivers, overthrown passes, open Wr not seen, or just flat out missed at times when the OL was giving the guy Lots of time to make a decision and throw the ball. How many times has he forced the ball into double coverage and made a stupid throw for a interception ( looks like he maybe he should have had a few more throw aways).

I have to go with what I saw consistently last year and nothing I read here seems to have change my mind. I know and remember what I saw the majority of games last year to the point it was even Predictable.......

"You don't lead the league in throw aways when guys are wide open"

Well, not making the proper progressions and not ever seeing the guys who are open can be a big part of league leading throw aways...
Which he did alot of ...
He showed a lack of pocket presence much of the time that can be factored into that same equation........

I agree that much of the time Wr were not separating but when they did they were either missed or not seen way to often for me to consider Henne a fuctional QB. Can he change sure, I just don't see enough of an improvement to think he will

 

I cant even count the # of times we said the problems w/ our offense are:

1. No speed at WR (we draft Gates)
2. No run game (we draft Pouncey & Thomas)
3. No seam threat (we draft Clay)
4. Offense predictable, not catered to the QBs strengths (see Armando's article)

I'm hoping we'll go into overkill mode and add Deangelo in FA, but either way, dont it feel good to be right ???

 

Hey Abbi. I've watched all our games 3-4 times and Henne certainly struggled at times, but I didnt see any thing that would make me doubt his ability to be a functional QB. Which plays are you talking about, which games caused you to feel the way you do?

 

I'm all for some overkill GM. It's not our money.

 

Haven't and don't want to go over re watching that crap any more.... Just take the last few games and see the over throwns the confusion in the pocket the miss reads the two minute fiascos. If you actually watch the games 3-4 times and you don't see it, let me remind you then that we are the team with the little Dolphin on their helmets......give me a break

 

No, I agree with you here--- I haven't seen too many open WRs either.

Glad to see you're coming around.

 

How about the first 6 games before defenses caught onto what we were doing doing? You know---- before the ground game took a dump, special teams became narcoleptic, injuries hindered the Oline Marshall got hurt, Henne got hurt, our starting flanker got hurt, and our only TE got hurt? Oh boy. <sigh>

Do you realize when you're playing with a dismantled Oline, no ground game, no flanker, no #1 TE, and 6 practice squad guys rotating in at WR & TE that there's bound to be some confusion?


If you dont want to rewatch our games, then how about watching the Colts' games mid-season instead when Peyton went 1-4 during a 5 game stretch with like 37 INTs. Tell me injuries to your starting skill players, no ground game, and horrible Oline play don't throw a monkey wrench in there even with good playcalling. I'd like to hear this excuse.

 

I dunno man, watching the games only once is a good way to NOT understand what's really happening. Players and coaches don't spend hours and hours poring over film for their health. Things aren't always what they seem at first glance. Was that a bad throw by Henne, or did the WR run the wrong route? Was that a missed assignment by Joe Berger, or did Ronnie Brown run the wrong way? Even after watching 3-4 times I still dont have a full grasp on what went on, but def a better idea than if I'd only seen it once.

I can understand not wanting to see the losses again, I'm just a wierdo and a football junkie. But I think you might have a different view if you went back and saw the games again.