[Merged] Henne and Offense | Dolphins tried trading up for Mallett

'Fins reportedly coveted Mallett, but couldn't strike deal'

Armando is saying we tryed moving into the 3rd round but could not strike a deal,


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We were willing to take him, we just couldn't get our hands on him," a source with knowledge of the front office's thinking told the newspaper. "We tried, but we couldn't do it. He's going to be a good quarterback."


Not sure what you guys thought on him were but i was not sold on him.

 

mallet is a roll of the dice. you either hit a home run and look like a genius or strike out and look like a fool for drafting him. 3rd round is where the risk to reward ratio becomes acceptable for that type of player. I think the same is true for Jake Locker who IMO was horrible overdrafted for his risk to reward ratio and should have gone in the 3rd also

 

According to 80% of fans on this board, that's all Henne's fault.

 

The only Qb i thought we should of drafted was Newton ,but to give him the 1st pick was to high of a risk.

Agree you never know what player you come up with.

 

You're pissed about that? Wait till you go back and watch the play designs. How many ****ing times can you run Levels and Smash for the love of God?

 

Is Armando seriously saying that Mallet reminds him of no great QB in the NFL?

 

There were 2 threads on this already.....

 

Damn that would have been sweet.

 

The only problem I have with the story is what were you going to trade for him? According to the story, he was not worth a 1st or 2nd round pick in the Fins eyes. Without a plethora of picks remaining, they would have traded a 2012 2nd round pick to move back into the 3rd round. Unless at the time they were trying to trade their 4th, 6th, and 7th to move up, which would have been the remaining picks. It would have been the 2nd round 2012 pick minimally. So he is not worth a 2011 2nd round pick, but he is worth a 2012 2nd round pick? Makes no sense. Story screams BS.

 

They're really close to being able to do basically anything in the run game if they can sign say a Kyle Kosier at LG. They probably can't pull Incognito left, but they'll be far closer to the Jets excellent and diverse run game this year.

 

I don't think this is accurate as well. However the conventional accepted value is a 3rd this year is worth a 2nd next year. You have the player one year earlier which changes value.

Like I said , I don't believe this. If Miami wanted him strongly enough at any point in the draft they could have and would have got him , imo.

 

yeah basically ireland was saying ib 1or 2 rds he wasnt clear upgrade to henne and thus not worth the risk there, but in rd 3 he was

basically they have enough confidence in henne that thaey didnt feel at any cost need

 

Dude, we pulled the trigger on Henne in the 2nd. Trading up into the 3rd round isn't exactly coveting.

 

Really dodged a bullet.

 

I don't believe this. If we felt that, we would not have passed on him twice.

 

I not sure if I believe that story. I also read Miami had Ponder as the top QB. I found that one hard to believe also.

 

That's not Pad's statement, I just quoted his quote from the article.

And there it is. Instead of getting someone in the most important position that will make everyone around him better, they do it backwards. Very telling statement.


And I don't get it, why would a #2 or even a #1 come in and start automatically? Did this very regime not sign Pennington after picking Henne #2? BS on that one.

IF this is true, and Mallett turns out to be good while Daniel Thomas doesn't pan out, it makes them look really really bad here.

Oh well, it is what it is.

 

The bottom line is we traded into the second round.
We had our choice of everyone on the board including Ryan Mallett.
We passed on him for a running back.
He wasn't a priority; end of story.

 

Josh McCown was our starter before Pennington sprang free. Btw, keep playing the what if game but you know that wouldn't hold up in court

 

Dolphins fans live in an insular world where opposing defenses and coaches aren't paid to succeed and no one else in the draft passed on Ryan Mallett.

 

Won't you miss the PA on third and long???? That was my personal favorite.

 

If the FO would have wanted him, he'd be a Dolphin. Brady will get hurt again, Mallet will come in and play all world, and the Dolphin fan's will suffer, nothing new.

 

You just reinforced my point. They're saying now if we draft a QB in #1 or #2 they would be the starter. But we drafted Henne in #2 and ... he wasn't slated to be the starter. It's a total contradictory statement, and in your attempt to refute my point (at least I think you were, I could be wrong), you just reinforced it. Thanks! Picking up Pennington was just another cherry on top of this completely farcical statement.

 

Yep. I really think the fact that we were so interested in him was a factor in the Pats taking him. They are so good and so stocked with draft picks they can basically **** block us with a draft pick out of spite. Oh yeah, they have a great track record of taking late round guys and molding them in their system....then trading them for a lot more than they paid. When was the last time we traded a Qb we molded for more than a cheese sandwich?

 

Mallett almost a Fin.........

The dolphins coveted Mallet and made attempts to move up into the 3rd round to take him. As most of you know New England got him @#74.

This opens several questions

1. Is Henne on the ropes?

2. Will Miami make a play on McNabb, apparently Washington is going to give John Beck a shot this year......this ought to be interesting

3. Carson Palmer insists he will never play another down for Cinci........I believe him. Question is how much time does he have and what is he worth??

//www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81f9f953/article/dolphins-reportedly-coveted-mallett-but-couldnt-strike-deal

 

That's usually do when I covet something too. Buy two other things, then when I probably don't have enough money, try to buy that.

http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...Offense-Dolphins-tried-trading-up-for-Mallett

 

If this FO actually wanted Mallet then Ireland is a damn fool. If he wanted Mallet as a QB no reason whatsoever he shouldn't have taken him when they traded up to take Daniel Thomas. QB is so much more important than a RB in today's NFL.

Now I'm not saying we should have drafted Ryan Mallet. Just that if Ireland liked him he's nothing short of a moron for not taking him when he had a chance.

It wouldn't surprise me if New England new an AFC East team would be interested him and took him just to keep him off our roster. That wouldn't be the only reason, but that coupled with a value pick and an opportunity to develop and deal him and it made perfect sense.

 

At this point Im thinking Chad Henne will be our QB this season, that doesnt upset me even though I think we couldve used an upgrade.

Henne will have a running game, hopefully a good offensive coordinator, a deep threat, and the feeling of a second chance. If these elements cant get Chad Henne to play at a high level then he may aswell enjoy his future as a career backup in this league.

I dont see a QB worth getting all giddy about, Id perfer Palmer but Mike Brown is a moron and will let him sit out. Mcnabb Id rather have Fiedler back, Kolb...system QB, infact if we give a 2nd round pick or higher for ANY of the guys who may be traded Ill wash my hands of this team until Ireland and Sparano are gone.

Your last chance Henne, now or never.

 

Deja Vu

 

I know there are character concerns with Mallet but I do think he will wind up being the best Qb from this class. I don't really understand why this team wouldn't have made a move for him if they were sold on him, you don't get very many shots at a Qb that you can win with in the draft unless you tank a season. I think the fact that the Pats took him where they did reinforces many of the things a lot of the fans here that wanted him felt. Belicheck isn't stupid, he would never have spent a 3rd round pick on a backup Qb if the didn't feel the guy had a chance to be a really good NFL starter.

We played it safe again, and in year 4 the regime is still spending high picks on the oline and running game which they've failed to establish in 3 seasons and tons of picks/money. Going into this year with Henne starting and a bunch of new rbs/olinemen doesn't strike me as a recipe for a Superbowl run.

 

Henne will be our starter in 2011, so it comes down to a personal choice. Accept it and hope he improves, or ***** and moan about it another 9 months.

 

Here's the thing though. With Ryan Mallett's upside comes an extremely high risk. The reason he fell to the third round is not anything related to his play on the field. It is solely based on what teams uncovered on him off the field. Honestly, for him to drop to round three, it is scarey to think about what they may have found. I mean, is this guy a raving meth head?

With New England, you have a team that has an established veteran quarterback, strong leadership, and an established locker room. You also have a team that came into the draft with two first round picks, two second round picks, and two third round picks. By the time this pick came around, the Patriots had already gained an extra first and an extra second in the 2012 draft. They can afford to take the risk. If Mallett ends up wrecking his brain on drugs and crashes out of the league, then oh well. They simply spent one of the four third round picks they have in the next two years on him. He's talented enough though that a guy like Bill Belichick is willing to use one of those thirds on him as a flier.

Miami isn't in that position. I believe that if they really wanted Mallett, they would have taken him when they moved up to get Daniel Thomas. They may have liked Mallett, but the risk was too great for them. If Miami drafts him and he bombs out, then it sets the Dolphins back. It won't set the Patriots back. They didn't foolishly trade two second round picks for a diva receiver.

 

Or maybe, Mallett wasn't worth a second round pick. The Cards and Bills didn't think he was worth a third.

 

I personally don't get this argument. We've used 2 1st rounders and a 3rd on OL, and we signed 2 guys to big contracts who didn't work out because they couldn't stay healthy (which by the way was anything but playing it safe). However, those 2 contracts are off the books already and it isn't like they had a lot of OL talent to lean on when they arrived (they only had Carey).

As to money and picks thrown at the running game, Daniel Thomas is the 1st RB we've taken before like rd 6 since this FO got here and they certainly didn't spend big money yet on any backs.


I'm sure I can find numerous examples of a team spending multiple "high" picks on a particular unit (OL, LBs, DL, DB, WR) over a 4 yr span (off the top of my head see NE patriots at DB and LB). Not every pick works out, nor does every FA signee. That's not an indictment unique to our FO.

 

Detroit for WR.

 

Because clearly these teams have had great success in drafting QBs lately.

I will say though, in the last few years, first round picks are batting damn near a thousand while second and thirds are close to .000. I was a Mallett supporter, but as soon as he fell I really dropped my interest. I do not have a problem so much in skipping him in rounds 2 and 3 as not getting one of the top guys. I really think we could have traded with Dallas for Gabbert or Ponder.

I also think we gave up to much too much for Thomas, but if he turns into a 1k a year guy and makes a few big plays a year, he will be worth it. It will be interesting to see his career arc compared to Ingrams. I am still not a fan of his, but his college numbers are good and I hope, hope can translate them to the pros.

 

You really don't get the fact that this front office has a philosophy of a power running game and tough offensive line and has basically made it priority number 1 every offseason and in year 4 we are still having to devote most of a draft and all of our top picks to get the running game and power oline as a criticism of the front office? This is our entire identity and philosophy on offense and we are still struggling with it in year 4? You honestly don't understand how someone would be critical of the front office in this regard? OK.

 

Don't get me wrong, I understand the way the draft fell we just weren't going to take Mallet, I can understand that. I also do not have the information that the front office might have. If he's a meth head or just a terrible character risk then OK, we didn't have enough draft picks to take the risk. I kind of feel frustrated, like a lot of our fans, that we see a team like the Pats just school everyone in the draft and put themselves in positions like they were in this year while we are having to hit homeruns on every draft pick to just have a playoff contender. We've basically been throwing draft picks away on Qbs since Marino retired and I think we missed the best one in this draft by not having a 2nd rounder.

 

Well, Miami has not yet learned their lesson. You don't trade your high draft picks for veteran players. I honestly cannot think of the last team a team traded first and/or second round picks for veteran players and it actually worked out. You don't see the Patriots doing that. Sure, they traded for Randy Moss, but they gave up a 4th for him. Not two second round picks like Miami did. A 4th.