Q: Sparano, Daboll and Henne and what is the best football decision?

All the "Henne cant throw deep" stuff? It's not true, at all IMO. Our entire offense was poorly equipped to attack down field, it wasn't some defect w/ the QB causing all of the problems. If you're going to attck down field you need:

1. Dynamic WRs who can out run defenders down the field
2. A running game that can force defenses into single high coverages that can be attacked deep
3. An OL who can protect the QB while these downfield routes develop
4. An OC & QB willing to attack down field

Obviously we lacked # 1, 2 & 3 last year, and even though we had #4, it was incredibly difficult for them to do anything b/c of 1-2-3. Hartline could sneak past the defense on double moves, play action, flea flickers etc, but those plays were few and far between. Marshall isnt running by any one, Bess, Fasano? Gimme a break. The OL was leaky, which discourages the OC from calling slow developing plays.

Not only did we not have any vertical threats, we also lacked anyone who could take a short pass and turn it into a big gain. So when it came to chunk yardage we were double screwed. These weaknesses were not lost on the Staff by any stretch. We added Gates & Clay for speed and play making, Thomas to beef up the run game & Pouncey to solidify the OL. If everything falls into place we'll have a balanced offense than attack a defense in any and all ways, something we couldn't say last year. Our run game and down field pass game were awful, but to try and pin it on the QB is IMO scapegoating. Hennes lack of throwing ability was the least of our problems.

 

IMO first and foremost they MUST get a ligitimate QB.........#1 priority and since their jobs are going to depend on it we could be giving up a #2, don't think they be crazy enough to give up #1 god I hope not......but we aren't doing squat without a somewhat threat at QB..

Then get the best RB available in FA or least resign Ronnie...........But I'm thinking that without a QB our ground game will not be on the level to carry the team week after week and actually feel it's naive to expect it..............

We must sign a QB in FA................

 

From the other thread this was posted in:

I question those stats considering Hartline was our fastest man last year. Stats like those don't take into account how often we sent guys out deep, or how much confidence you could have with the receiver. Say, you would be more comfortable throwing to Johnny Knox deep vs. Hartline because of the added separation. It doesn't take into account Safety positioning either. One thing I dislike about outfits like PFF is that they watch the tape, come up with numbers, then disregard the tape for the numbers. I'd like for more organisations to take the play calling on both sides of the field as well as the talent into account. Two slot proficient receivers (Marshall & Bess), and one intermediate receiver (Hartline), does not make for a good deep game.

 

I agree, its been overblown, Henne can throw the ball anywhere he pleases, he just didn't have the receivers that can help that dynamic, and imo, he was under strict orders to do what the play was designed to do, and he did so...So if Henning also realized he didn't have the tools to attack downfield {surely not henne with that arm} he called plays accordingly.

When you have receivers than cannot create a lot of space on the deep ball, the risk gets higher, unless your just throwin sh%$ against the wall to see if it sticks.

 

Based on what you've seen in the tape, which FA QB has far exceeded our current QB stable and shown the ability to take us to the Ship?

 

I think the reasons why hitting the deep pass was so erratic last year boiled down to:

1. No WR who could consistently get deep in practice or games.
2. The random nature of deep calls.
3. The random nature of times when someone actually got deep. Hard to anticipate it. Consistency builds mastery.
4. Max protects sending few options on the field.

I just don't see how people wanted the single option of Brian Hartline, mostly an intermediate threat, to translate into a deep pass bonanza.

 

I think you're fishing Padre...

Vince Young. Yong QB, cheap, good on the deep stuff, can at least handle the simplified no-TC offense. And since Henne is capable, you don't have to be afraid to use Young on the WC packages, finally added that missing element they've been after for years.

And, perhaps most importantly for a coach trying to save his hide, he's young and new enough to buy you more time

 

King

I don't have the faith in Henne that you do so i think a number of free agents out there would be an improvment .

Orton, Palmer, Collins, Hasselbeck, Delhomme, to name a few. Put one of these guys in around a power ground game and I think would create more of a threat and not only increase the effect on the ground game but also give us more of a threat When we will need to use the passing game.......

 

How many of those guys' games did you watch last year? 2009?

 

I watched every game Henne played and consider him possibly unable to be a 3rd string QB....( got to admit I did like him in 2009 thinking that he did well for his first time and would improve. Well to me he drastically digressed to were his inadequacies were exposed enough for me to draw this conclusion.
Hey we disagree fine ....I hope I'm wrong...and only time will tell

 

Based on?

 

No need to hope for reality

 

Rest easy, you are wrong .

 

Beat me to it, damn you!!!

 

I highly doubt you will find many instances where someone actually got separation down field.

 

We had a terrible time beating Cover 2 zone last year. We couldn't throw over the top of it, and we couldn't run the ball to force teams out of it. All of our routes were in the short-intermediate area and teams were able to sit on the routes and bog us down.

I'm hoping we'll allow our backs to get more involved in the short game, and that Gates can stretch the field as advertised. That'll create space for Marshall & Bess to wreak havoc in the intermediate routes, w/ space to do damage after the catch. But it all starts w/ the running game and pass pro, i.e. the Offensive Line. Get that unit fixed and everything else tends to take care of itself.

 

Delhomme seriously?

 

The very best football decision this staff can make is to do what they believe in and Sparano believes in running the football. Run the football better, get just a little more speed on the outside and I'm willing to bet Henne's deep numbers improve to at least respectable.

 

It's only logical. I don't usually use my laptop as a frying pan. It's not good at frying.

 

I recall that Henne was given the go route on the very first play in the first few or couple of games last year, and I really don't think Sparano will tie a knot in Dabolls playbook persay but I'm sure he will influence him on running well...

 

I can fry eggs on mine by leaving it in the Florida Sun for a few hours. It will even bend up so the eggs won't fall off...

 

a choice of either Delhomme or Collins would be mind numbingly abysmal .... Kolb or Flynn aren't much better choices either.

i could buy Palmer or Hasselbeck .... but the real $$$$ would be on Orton, IF that even becomes a viable option. if not, i am good with Henne leading the way, and always have been. the kid did not have a good year last year -- but i have and will continue to believe that he attempted to do exactly what was demanded of him. he isn't, nor will he ever be a superstar ... but i'm not looking for that in a QB. we didn't need it from Griese, and we don't need it from Henne.

 

I don't think those numbers are deceiving at all. I say that because his numbers throwing deep in 2009 weren't impressive either--a year in which he had all four of those you listed GMJohnson;

I think Henne's struggles in the vertical game are for two reasons. First, I think he does a poor job of recognizing when he has an advantageous matchup. What I mean by that is, if we have a guy that doesn't have 4 steps on a guy, then he's not getting the ball. That could be attributed to this fear of making a mistake as we hear about. I'm sure he's been drilled on 3rd down conversion percentage, keeping it in manageable down and distances, eating up clock, and field position. All things that Tony Sparano harps may have a negative affect I'm sure. However, Chad Henne has always had issues with the idea that no one is open in the NFL and as an NFL QB you have to throw guys open some times. Second, harping on that throwing guys open, he does a poor job of giving his players a chance to make a play. I really don't mind the deep INT's, especially if he's trying to allow his player a chance to make a play 1-on-1. That's an aggressive mistake. A good mistake--if there ever was one. I think that's why Brandon Marshall said the things he did, about Thigpen getting it and the such. Now, Thigpen takes too many chances, but he understands in a game of match ups that when you have your best player 1-on-1, you give him a chance. Henne tends to not do that.

I think if Chad Henne recognizes those opportunities and "throws it up" every so often to allow those opportunities, you'll see that improve. I don't think it's for lack of ability at all.

 

The college laptop/snackmaster...That's brilliant King. Have r&d get on that, stat!

The snacktop or lapmaster

 

****! now I'm hungry...

 

Yep

IMO he'd be way better then Henne (which true, isn't saying much).........Damn IMO half the QB's we've had over the past 10 years would be miles above Henne..........

 

on an airplane maybe

 

Maybe the Delhomme of 2003-2006 would be better, but the 2009-2010 version has been far worse. Now he's 36 yrs old and it would be no surprise if never takes another NFL snap. Which QBs have the Dolphins had over the past ten yrs better than Henne? Fiedler when he was healthy, maybe. Pennington for one year. Feeley? Nope. CPep? Nope. Frerotte? Nope. Harrington or Lemon? Nope.