Henne was pleased no QB was drafted.

exactly the point..

 

you mean hes not an ambiturner like the great derrick zoolander?

 

I suspect Jerry will take a bit of time to develop Mr C, I think maybe he just overpowered guys at OMSU, and has to relearn some things.

 

If you make it to the Superbowl your odds of winning it are actually pretty good. 50/50 unless you find some dominant team thats unbeatable ill take the odds unless its Buffalo.

 

Considering we pretty much scrapped the entire team and started over from scratch, 3-5 years is to be expected considering it typically takes a few years for rookies to develop.
Expecting this team to be SB caliber after 2-3 years is as ridiculous as expecting the players drafted the past 3 years to be at an All-Pro veteran level. It's completely nonsensical and irrational. Seriously, we have like half a team that's STILL growing and learning the game (with "still" being the operative word). If we're still developing, then we're still ascending. We have far more players ascending than descending. That's the easy way to know we'll be a better team.

 

So it's super bowl or nothing? lol


You like my Dolphins fan do ya? Her face is even better

 

Would be nice, heck I'd take a AFCE crown and a playoff run.

She is no doubt hot but the thing that I notice is she has a hair beret... why.

 

MrClean

The world doesn't always revolve around the way you want it to be.
Forums are for expressing opinions and if my suggestion weren't there or was there and you didn't choose to see it then why not try asking for clarification.
Your a big boy now like many of your buddies in here. And should be able to handle criticism. Never seen a group like this who were so insecure and seems threatened by different opinions. Like little children...na na na na na na

It be nice to try to have an open discussion without all the personal rules of what and how a person is supposed to express themselves. If you can't deal with a post or find it degrading to your opinion, nobody is forcing you to read it.

I've never said i was right just expressing an opinion in a place were I thought to find knowledgeable Fin Fans who all have the common goal of seeing the Dolphins great again, but the dominating group seems to short out at alternate views and attack with much of the time a missed perception of what is being said and read their own script into it to attack another fellow fans. Its fine with me I'm a big girl and can take it, but it is sad that people have to deal with all this BS when expressing their views.
I've answered questions you've asked in the past yet that seems to have gone right over your head. Listen if you don't like my opinion don't read it or if you have a constructive question, again Try asking...............

 

Lots of females do that nowadays. She uses it to highlight her face.

 

Thats a pretty quick judgement of a bunch of dudes{especially the little kid nanana sh%$, lol} who love this sh%$... not fair Abbi, We respect anyone who's different, sh^%, thats what we want around here, those dudes you speak, me included, have a lot in common, and i've seen on many occasion, some very gracious words to all kinds of people by those folks, so basically I think what you said, is BS..

Hopefully your a cool chick and you take that the right way, anyways you seemed to have skimmed over the questions I asked you? in case you missed them they were..

''I'd like to pose a few questions to you if I may...

How devoid of talent in your opinion were we after the 1 and 16 season?

How long do you think an incoming regime should get after taking over such a team like that?

If I told you before the new regimes first season after the 1 and 15 season, that during the next three years while the rebuilding is in affect, that the new regime would present to you a winning record and a division title, would you take that going into their 4th year?

If the answer is yes, than should the criticism be this harsh in its 4th year, or, should we give them their fair time frame before we jump?

The bigger picture for me personally is trying to do our part to change the culture of this fanbase..Little story here, a fellow member here went to the packer game, he said that after Henne threw his first int,most people in his section boo'd him and were talking sh$# about him...This after posting a promising first year starting, and continuing a hi level of play in to his 2nd year starting, up until that point he had played pretty damn well relative to other great QB's in their 2nd year starting, as you know he wound up winning the game..

To me thats gross negativity that can filter into the consciousness of a coaching staff and either manipulate or cause unjust pressure on a player which can directly affect their performance on the field and the way people, teammates perceive the player..

I think there are so many things we have to take into account, the 2 most important are, Dan Henning was an untouchable in more ways than one, and there is no way the coach who got his first gig in the NFL is going to fire a great friend and confidant of the person that hired him...And two, This is our coaches first Job..

It all comes back to the starting point, all starting points are different, and I believe our's, was expansion related..We must put that into proper context when projecting our team and player development.

 

YES! Forums are for expressing opinions...and I expressed mine. My opinion is: If someone is going to complain, they should offer specific constructive suggestions on what should be done to improve things. Rather than just say things like Sparano sucks, Ireland sucks, Henne sucks, the entire team or organization sucks, I WANT A SUPER BOWL, blah blah blah. When I see someone who constantly complains, offers not even a single positive comment about the team...well, I am going to express my opinion about their constant negativity. If anyone does not like what I have to say here, they are more than welcome to put me on "ignore" status.
You know every Dolphins fan wants the team to go to the Super Bowl, and win it. Most realize that means first making the playoffs and better yet, on a regular basis. This regime has had 4 drafts and 3 seasons. Some of us see significant improvement since 2007's debacle. The dissatisfied ones who are not happy with the amount of improvement, are welcome to express their views, but they would be more accepted by more people, if they included exact things they would do or have done differently, and include some basis for realism while doing so, those are the kind of things that can lead to constructive give and take.

 

Ozzy, reread my post. Its a GIVEN you have to get the playoffs 1st. As you admit, even Sparano got us there his 1st year. But you & I both know that was more from circumstances - the Dolphins not being nearly as bad as their record in 2007 (remember we lost 7 games by less than 3 points) and the easiest schedule maybe in the history of the league. It also may have been (in the long run) the worst thing to ever happen to Sparano & Ireland. I don't think there would be this pressure on them today, or not as great had we sucked badly in 2008. 7-9 & 7-9 might not be viewed as the incompetence it looks like right now. The addition of players we could have gotten might have also made our foundation better as of now too. Its only speculation right ? But we have what we have now.

Its the problems we have now with areas of the team that should have been fixed already. That forced us to look at an OL for our 1st pick this year instead of what we might have been able to do, to put together a package in order to possibly move up to get a QB we like. Or go and get Julio Jones for ourselves (but I still think Atlanta paid to much for him). The incompetence of Sparano in his supposed guru area handcuffed us once again. That to me is the last straw with him. I've had less faith in him, and Ireland as each year passes. Maybe they will surprise me, I hope so. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see me eat my words. But I also don't look at our situation with the aqua & orange glasses either. I just don't see us with A NEW offensive system, that we in 1 year expect a complete turnaround in the offense. Usually these things take 2 or 3 years to come to fruition. Ireland and especially Sparano don't have 2 or 3 seasons. I don't think they can do it, and I expect a change after this season. That doesn't excite me, so why should I just make post after post being all cheery & fake ? I feel LOUSY about the tragedy of a season I see coming. I should have the right to have my opinion heard if this is truly an open message board. Its not the message many here want to hear. Big Deal, and so what. The goody-goody all in Dolphinland is bunny rabbits & lollipops crowd cheering on a horribly tragic QB and trying to find the smallest thread of evidence to prop him up is equally infuriating to me and a few others as well. Just because they choose not to speak up about it - well thats their business.

 

DJ I always appreciate your posts, and you are truly a good guy. I do agree with a lot of your pst and yes, maybe my expectations are too much, but I also represent the fans that have been waiting the better part of a lifetime for a SB win. We are the franchise that tragically had who I consider by far the best QB of all time go through a career and only get one chance at a SB. I'll never get over that. It hurts me & makes me mad when people talk about Elway & Montana as better QBs than Marino. Those guys didn't cause a whole league to change the way defense is played. That was because of Marino & his incredible ability.

I will disagree with you about one point, and ever DolFan who remembers 2007 will remember the most frustrating part of 2007 was that we were not nearly as bad as our record showed. True we were not world beaters, but its not like we were getting beat by 30 points every game. IIRC we lost 7 games by 3 points or less and held leads in 7 or 8 games. Our record, with a little better luck could have been 5-11 or 6-10 or even 7-9. I don't think we were nearly the worst team in the league that year, despite our record.

 

DJ

I'll try to answer your questions, but Please try to just listen to my answers and not make them into something they are not. It's funny and I'm not pointing at you but several people in here don't seem to comprehend things that are written or make them into something completely different......... That said

When the new organization came in I was extremely excited and looking forward to rebuilding Again with new organization. Yes I think the team was in total shambles outside of RB's.
Believe it should take 3-4 years for one to realize the potential success an organization brings.

Having One winning season is definitely a plus but not a standard to necessarily guarantee the life of an organization. Third year would be alittle more accepting considering that it would mean that we are improving and getting better. Our winning year many can consider a fluke........although very exciting.....

Don't get me wrong we have started to put together a nice defense.......
But Sparano IMO is learning on the job has shown his inability often and needed to go (organization disappointment)

Henning is gone (and must take responsibility) but even with his inability to get our offense functioning properly the players need to make plays, which they didn't way to much of the time. Drop passes. overthrown balls, missed coverage and tackles, poor Oline blocking.......

I'm not down on the whole team as some are interpreting. Whats important to me is that we progress in an appropriate way and in many areas we are still unfolding.
Appropriate way = filling essential needs , proper philosophy for todays NFL (not building an 80's team because we don't have proper talent to win now. HC who knows what he's doin and has the ability to adjust and evaluate in a reasonable period of time and doesn't take years to figure out, The Oline, QB, special teams, coaching staff ....and an organization who can recognize these things.........
We will see but I have the feeling that we will be acquiring a new head coach next season who will come in to improve a team that has a solid defense and only a few upgrades needed to be in the race. But then were dealing with a new coach and all the changes in philosophy and personnel he brings. Upset we did not recognize it this year and have to waste another year JMO...time will tell........

 

I have noted many times before, that the very 1st thing I would have changed is drafting Matt Ryan, but the "everything is goody goody in Dolphinland" crowd shouts that down. I have also said doing whatever it takes in this draft to get a franchise QB would have been the right thing to do, and again I was made fun of and told my opinion was that of a crazy person. I truly believe we are close enough that what we need is a 1st class signal caller. After you have that, all will fall into place - FA offensive personnel will fall all over themselves to get here, and probably take a few dollars less, because they know the route to a SB is that much closer here in Miami. I also think that Ross should have followed through and gotten a better (and possibly more experienced) HC in the last off season. That would mean also someone bringing in top flight asst. coaches, and not throwaway coaches like Daboll & reassigning the WR to be the new QB coach. We know what Sparano is all about. Fist Pumps & Field Goals, and a boring running game that will get you the exact results we had agains Indianapolis in 2009 when we held the ball 46 minutes and still lost the game.

So you asked what I would do differently, well there you have it. And I have offered this up time and again. I haven't just complained. I have been calling for change, but just because you don't like what I suggest all you can do is whine about my posts.

And asking me to be fake, and act like I am happy about the direction the Dolphins are going is unfair to me. I don't ask you to join in my feelings of impending chaos in Davie, you are more than welcome to your feelings. But to demand others feel the same as you, and to complain when they express their opinions shows the length and breath of your democratic tendencies. Thank God people like you didn't write the Constitution.

 

Brilliantly said. My opinion almost to a tee.

 

I feel your pain man, right there with ya, but thats a separate conversation and is illogical to include in the process of projecting this current regimes roster..

Don't put anyone on ignore man, you'll miss good things.

 

I feel I know how we lost games last year, they were things that are to be expected when rebuilding a franchise from scratch..They were addressed as projected, the 4th year is the right year to see what kind of team you really have..I've said that from the very beginning when Toro got hired, I said that after assessing how bad the team really was..Cleo lemon handing off to Samkon Gado while Regan Maui was blocking, while marty booker was doggin it out in route, tells me the rebuilding was significant..

The way I look at it is, its year 4, and overall, the team looks young, big, strong, and athletic, with a posssible great defense...

We were 8 and 8 last year, you know it, I know it..That was the 3rd year in a rebuildling project..not bad at all, especially when you lose your QB in the process and have that transition..Lets remember, were doing all this {winning record after 3 years, AFC title} while developing a rookie QB..

Basically for me, The negativity is not warranted at this point, and i'am not looking at it with rose colored glasses, just logical ones imo, so I do my best to battle it, because I don't want it to grow and affect our team..

 

You talking about the hours and hours of dissecting film comes off as condescending and superior, IMO. I don't think you were trying to do it, but just seeing you're getting on someone a little about being superior, I just thought it was important to let you know how some may view that first portion.

By the way, I can dissect and watch hours and hours of film on how to build a car, but sure hell no mechanic. So, just be cognizant of the fact that although we all respect the time and effort some of you all put into the research that you could be speaking to guys that might have a little more tenure in the area even with the hard work you guys put in--all I'm saying. I don't want to be nit-picky or coming off as the moral police, because I think you and everyone can attest to the fact that I have a hard time not blowing up at times, but I'm trying to get better for sure.

Take care.

 

your painting a general picture that people who do are being obnoxious...Thats BS..Evaluating talent is in the eye, not the amount of tape you watch, but watchin tape can give you an advantage in knowing how circumstances affect performance, and can give insight on whether someone needed to be fired, and if someone was set up to fail..

 

Who has said we expected them to be Super Bowl caliber after 2 or 3 years. As usual ToddPhins you interpret anything posted to suit your own agenda.

What I expected from this regime, was not to have a QB question by this time, certainly not to have any OLine problems since our HC is a supposed guru in that specialty, and have an offense that was at least ranked higher than the bottom 1/3 of the NFL and most of all, I expected that we'd be considered one of the ascending teams in the NFL.

None of these has happened, and yet you see other teams, St. Louis, KC, Atlanta, Detroit, and yes even the Bills on the ascendency, and here we are flopping along not knowing exactly what our offense will look like, who exactly will be our QB, who will be running the ball, who will protect the QB etc.

More questions than answers at this time, 4 years in the regime is not what I expect - no, indeed not.

 

Heh, tracks with what Marty Schottenheimer did in San Diego DJ, only he had L Tomlinson to rely upon, we had two sketchy running backs.

 

And did he win a SB with the way he built that team ? No, so why should anyone want to copy his philosophy is beyond me.....

 

And herein is the problem, not to long ago one was pointing to the Pats success, when it was pointed out they have not won a SB in 8 yrs you said "but they win" now when a winning pathway, long term, is presented you say "but have they won a SB with that method?"

Consistency please Sir.

 

I am consistant, the Schottenheimer way never won a SB, therefore that is not a path to follow. The Pats HAVE won, and continue to lead the way in the NFL and as favorites every year to win it, therefore that IS the path to follow.

Not sure where I was inconsistant.

P.S. Edit : Oh by the way, in KC they are following the Pats path, and lets see how that turns out.

 

You are consistent...with 20/20 hindsight.
The fact is, Schottenheimer's blueprint was one that worked for a lot of coaches. Strong defense, good running game, play mistake free football. Not too unlike the Giants blueprint under Parcells or the Dolphins of the 70s.
His regular season record win pct was 61%. He won 8 division championships in 21 years and went to the playoffs 14 times. When he lost in the playoffs it was often things outside his control. Like the Mack fumble at the goal line in the AFC Championship game vs Denver. For anyone to say Marty wasn't a good coach, just because he never went to or won a Super Bowl, is being very superficial in their analysis of him.
Before you badmouth Marty, consider that Don Shula thought very highly of him, and he was who The Don recommended for his successor in Miami.
If you were given the choice of picking the next Dolphins head coach, who would it be? Cowher? How many years was his record very much like Marty, consistently competitive but not able to win a Super Bowl before he finally did it? 14 years! Just like Marty, the times he didn't win in the playoffs were often things outside his control. There is the human element. The coaches ain't manipulating chess pieces.
He also took over a very talented team, so didn't have much rebuilding to do. How many fans clambering for the Dolphins to hire Cowher can be patient with him if it took a few years to reach the Super Bowl?

 

Don't agree DJ.

 

I 10000 percent disagree with you!

You tell me that they should have packaged something together to get the Qb they liked and my answer to that is WHO?

 

As long as Henne is happy, I'm satisfied.

 

3 years in. Big difference.

 

what up homie..

 

Dealing with Cowher for 14 years before a SuperBowl would be a cake walk for this fanbase.
Fans totally wouldn't begin turning on him after 3 or 4 years of not playing in February.

 

Completely agree Deej. There's a lot of stuff we miss when we're caught up in watching the game live. We also don't always know exactly what we're supposed to be looking for (like specific problems or areas of concern) when the game is transpiring. IMO games & player performances aren't necessarily what they appear when you watch them the first time through, especially while we're emotionally involved in the outcome of the game.

Fans who believe they see things accurately enough the first time around are likely either fooling themselves or have an eye that coaches in the NFL would kill for. How many times do you think the average head coach rewatches each game before he feels like he has a firm grasp of all of its nuances?

 

The poor STs went hand in hand with the constant "churning" of the bottom of the roster. That was a source of frustration for most all of us. Constantly replacing backup LBs and DBs had to have a big effect on special teams coordination. Like Walden for instance. He'd been a good kick coverage guy for us since 2008, and he gets cut in a scapegoat move for missing a block on the punt team, as the up back. Why the heck use LBs as up backs anyway, unless they are a special case like Larry Izzo who was a high school running back. If it were up to me, I'd try Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams as the up back on the punt team. We know both are good pass blockers and blocking for the punter is similar. Walden btw, went on to contribute pretty well with the Packers so I'm sure he didn't mind getting cut in Miami when all was said and done.

 

The Bills w-l record the last 3 seasons, in order: 7-9, 6-10, 4-12. How does that equate with a team on the rise?

 

Key to your post is that....1970's & 1980's. Marino changed the game in mid 1980's, made it a more open game, with more reliance on the passing game and big plays. He paved the way for Manning, Rivers, Rogers, Ryan and Brady. By the way, 3 of those 5 have already won a SB. Ryan should be the next one to do it. Rivers may or may not, depends on a few factors in SD.

Just because Shula recommended Shottenheimer doesn't mean anything. Remember Shula is the one that picked Eric Kummerow, Sammie Smith and Boza all with # 1 picks. While close to it, he is not infallible.

 

How much you want to bet they end up with a better record than the Dolphins next year ? They lost a number of games last year that they were very competitive in, moreso than the Dolphins. They also beat us at the end of the year in fairly dominating fashion.

 

Did you read my post ? Ozzy......I said HAD SPARANO DONE HIS JOB ALREADY ! If the OLine had already been fixed in the first 3 years, then instead of having to get Pouncey this year, we could have had the luxury to make a package to go up and get a franchise QB.

 

This is the 4TH year....2008, 2009, 2010, 2011.....