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Game 11..Raiders..Rewind thoughts..Henne analysis..

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  1. padre31

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    Well, you see that in Henne on occasion, normally when he is going good, but then it goes away.

    Another thing Henne does that I do not like..he is a ball patter..drives me nutz..his technical proficiency is poor Deej.
     
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    Eh, keep in mind he was tossing the ball to Greg C/Bess/Ginn/B London and the WC was used more down in the red zone, as it was in 2009, but CP's Td numbers were lowish for a reason.

    As for Henning the play caller, we do not know TP, how involved was D Lee? Sparano?

    Anywho, that is in the rear view now, completely different offence this season, which is one of the reasons why the back and forth about Henne's 2010 translating to 2011 is simply emotions over the 2010 season coming out imho.
     
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    I'm not convinced that 19 TDs by Pennington during that easy of a schedule is any indication of aggressiveness inside FG range. If anything, the variable that has changed is the run game was better which allowed those conservative play calls to result in more TDs and a few more passing opportunities. And he still subbed in the WC inside FG range.
     
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    Exactly. Under Dan Henning, Jake Delhomme was one of the most vertically aggressive quarterbacks in the game.

    I think the dirty little secret people don't want to acknolwedge is, a lot of the conservatism commonly shifted onto Dan Henning and David Lee was sponsored by Tony Sparano, perhaps even mandated by him. There's this belief out there that the coaching has interfered with Henne's vision or instincts, and I don't buy it, but either way I think the notion that all of the dangerous coaching points which scared poor Chad Henne will now be gone and so he'll naturally be as bold as Samson, is kind of a fairy tale. Tony Sparano was a big part of the conservative element of the offense.

    I don't know why more people don't bring up exactly how different Delhomme was from 2002 to 2006 under Henning, compared with Chad Henne from 2009 to 2010. I can think of two idiosyncratic markers of Chad Henne's, right off the bat, that were very different with Delhomme. For one thing, there's Henne's non-propensity to throw the ball deep. Delhomme threw deep more often. For another, there's Henne's aggressive/conservative reversal at midfield. He throws almost all of his interceptions on his own side of the field between the 20 and 50 yard line. Once he crosses into the opponent's 20 and 50, his interception rate goes WAY down, and so do his YPA and YPC figures. This just wasn't the case with Delhomme. Delhomme stayed aggressive on both sides of the 50 yard line.

    In Carolina from 2003 to 2006, Jake Delhomme threw 918 pass attempts on his own 20 to 50 yard line, had a 2.7% interception rate. He threw 537 pass attempts on the opponent's 50 to 20, and had a 4.5% interception rate.

    Contrast that with Chad Henne and Chad Pennington in Miami. Together the Chads threw 687 pass attempts on their own 20 to 50, with a 3.9% interception rate. They threw 412 passes from the opponent's 50 to 20 with a 1.2% interception rate.

    What's one of the biggest criticisms of Miami's offense? Settling for field goals. The entire Sparano fist pump thing is about that. What does Sparano preach when you get within reach of a field goal? Don't take points off the board. If it's 3rd & 8 at the 38 yard line, what kind of pass do you think is being called? What do you think Tony Sparano is telling his QBs? A) That 38 yards gets a touchdown, B) That 8 yards gets a first down, or C) That 5 yards gets a field goal? You know the answer to that one. Thing is, that kind of situational conservatism isn't present in Dan Henning's past. It was just the opposite. When Jake Delhomme got onto the opponent's side of the field he took MORE chances, trying to get that touchdown. Vinny Testeverde did the same when Dan Henning was offensive coordinator of the Jets in 2000.

    And what about deeper passing? Is that a Dan Henning thing or is that a Tony Sparano thing? Well, back in Carolina from 2002 to 2006, quarterbacks threw 15.5% of their pass attempts 21+ yards down the field. In Miami, Chad Pennington threw only 7.1% of his pass attempts 21+ yards, and Henne has thrown only 8.7% of his pass attempts at 21+ yards. In other words, in Carolina, both Jake Delhomme and Rodney Peete tended to throw the ball deeper at twice the rate that Miami has. Dan Henning was there in Carolina. What's the delta? Either the quarterbacks, or the Head Coach.

    I find that there's this convenient construct that is gaining steam. The construct says that Chad Henne is good, he was just ruined by Dan Henning and David Lee, and thankfully those guys are gone so we can conveniently expect everything to turn around. Well, life isn't often that convenient, and I find it suspicious that the unique hypothesis gaining steam among people, happens to be the hypothesis that would result in the most cause for optimism.

    Do I know for a fact that Chad Henne wasn't ruined by his coaches, as opposed to just being a bad quarterback? Of course not. But even if that is the case, it is very likely that the factor that ruined him, is still wearing a headset in Miami and calling all the shots.
     
  5. djphinfan

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    I don't see too much growing sentiment for Henne, in fact other sites have a completely different projection on the player then the ones here who are saying that it wasn't just Henning and Lee or coaching, there were other destructive variables in place when it came to wins and losses..

    I'am not taking Henne's side for any other reason than simply watching a lot of film and concluding that his performance was up to par, and then some, for a 2nd year starting QB... For the first 10 games of the season, beating both QB's that played in the superbowl.. The man did his job well enough to not deserve the criticism he was getting.

    The 2nd year of a starting QB is widely considered the toughest, most coaches are pleased with results that were parallel with the rookie year..

    I thought Henne had a nice progression from 2009 thru 10 games 2010, then, he got benched, and went 2 and 0 after that, showing toughness..

    To put the meltdown all on him after that sizable amount of games, seems rough..We have no idea if the whole thing with Henning, and the brandon marshall effect, ruined that team..

    Basically I think hes shown enough to warrant the 3rd year under better circumstances...Would I of taken a QB, definitley, but that wouldn't of changed my mind that Henne still should be the starter.
     
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    I have a different view Deej, to me Henne did play poorly in the second half of the yr, no avoiding that fact, however to then say "oh Henne just does not have the goods" is also a bridge to far, the thinking being "if he has not shown IT by now, he never will" and I disagree with that notion, plenty of Qb's took yrs and starts to really develop into good NFL starting Qb's.

    TP's excellent work on Matt Ryan v Chad Henne should have been enough to at least alter some views on Henne, it took Ryan until yr #3 to really become a truly effective NFL Qb, but Michael Turner's high level of play helped to mask some of Ryan's growing pains, Henne did have the #4 rushing attack in 2009 and "gosh we are set at Qb!" the running game went away and now it's "Henne is a scrubini bum!".

    Enter Dtrain and Pouncey, an Oline that is more settled, and watch the running game re-emerge and Henne will do fine and be that 24Td type of Qb that I think he is, that said I think Sparano is doing a hell of job and do not want to see him fired whilst Henne and the Offense work out their issues, thusly I am in favor of adding a Young Vet Qb who can beat out Henne and still have some kind of Qb future in Miami.

    In my view, Sparano is the best coach we have had since Shula, I think this past season taught him a really good lesson about being to loyal to his Staff, by disposing of Lee, Henning, Saxon, Bonamego and adding Daboll, Hilliard and Fipp we have addition by subtraction.

    Listened to an interview with a Browns columnist today and she said Daboll worked extra hours to develop McCoy even when Delhomme was the Qb, she said he was a high energy type..so we shall see.

    Recall how long Shula stuck with Olividotti?
     
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  7. djphinfan

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    I dont see us being very far apart from this post, except that I think some heavy variables were weighing on his game in the 2nd half..10 games of data, and 2 wins vrs the superbowl QB's is the more important film for me because after the benching, and the injury, and the BS, its too grey to isolate.
     
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  8. padre31

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    Deej, what one must understand is the difference in the NFL between playing great, and being replaced is maybe..5 plays..a game.

    Think about that, Henne has not shown he can convert those 5 plays per game, the windows are so small, there just is not that margin for error, if Henne cannot convert those plays then Sparano will have to make do with Henne being turnover conscious and by handing the ball off..ie.."caretaker" Qb.

    "Don't screw up, let the running game do the work, take what is there"

    It works, especially with a Feature Back, but it is the Qb equivalent of bunting, you need more out of the Qb position, as we could land Vince Young to do that and just let him hand off the ball and then take off running to create offense as "we" know he can do more in that way then Henne can.

    A Qb rushing for 10 Td's, we would be laughed at, we'd also win ball games.
     
  9. djphinfan

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    Well then, we have to see if the offense can adapt to that, and cover that, because I don't think Henne has playmaking ability like that, I do think he can make any throw from the pocket, so if your confident in your execution as an offense, then you should be confident in Henne..He can make all the throws..

    They way Iam looking at this Pod is, we didn't take my guy, or one of the guys, that had the skillset that we covet, however, they do have a pocket passer that has a very talented arm, and has proven can play in this league..How far an Offensive coordinator can take that skillset?, we''ll see.
     
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    Thing is Deej, you have to make the throws..at the right time in the game.

    Look at it this way, the Browns game, "if" Henne leads Hartline properly down the field..TD..he under threw the ball it was picked off, "if" he had hit on that throw, we win the game...that is the margin I'm speaking of, one bad throw that did not go for points.

    Recall what made folks have real hope for Henne? The MNF game when we beat the Jests, key throw on that drive, Henne rolls out and smokes a ball down to Camarillo at the 8 yd line or so for a first down, that is the margin I'm speaking of and Henne in 2010 was not making those plays.


    Well, just listened to a reporters view of Daboll, he was in effect the Qb coach in Cleveland as well as the OC and she was quite impressed with how well Colt McCoy played vs the Steelers and the Saints, she recounted how hard Daboll worked to get McCoy ready for those games as well as detailing how Daboll is good at finding things players do well and putting them in situations to succeed.

    Something Henning was singularly bad at doing in 2010, imho that is where statistical comparisons sort of rob Henne of a fair hearing, I calculate that worse case with Henne is if Daboll can get a Rookie Qb (who is not the passer Henne is by a long shot) ready to beat the Saints at home then Henne should at least move into more of an asset then a caretaker Qb.

    That said, if Daboll can do that with McCoy, what could he do with Vince Young?
     
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    Thanks for the stats, Chris. Well, if it's Henning following specific orders once crossing the 40 yard line, then I'm hoping the person (Sparano?) giving those orders has learned the error of his ways and is ready to remove the stick from his ***. If he doesn't, then I don't think it matters what promising young QB is starting for us, and it's one of the reasons I was vehemently against us using a high pick on a QB until this regime has proven they deserve one.

    I was under the impression that Henning had his part to play based on his past comments about "wanting his QBs to play to not cost him games" or something to that affect. To me, that made it seem like he now preferred his QBs to be more of a conservative game manager than aggressive risk taker. Regardless of who's at fault, it better f***in change. I do however believe that Dan was involved in the absurd use of the WC, and I also lay blame on him for not altering the playbook to better fit Henne. Those 2 areas alone are cause for concern in my book.



    All I know is that I saw 3 different Chads out there.

    When the ground game was actually contributing, I saw a more confident, decisive Chad who had some moxy to his game and seemed to be playing rather than thinking. This Chad would go on a hot streak and tear of 7 or 8 completions in a row while making some extremely difficult throws look easy.

    When special teams melted down and the ground game was routinely hindering the offense by placing Chad in more stressful situations that predict a higher probability of failure, I saw a Chad who developmentally appeared not yet ready to carry an offense on his shoulders for an entire season while not having a surrounding cast capable of letting him do so.

    The third Chad I saw was an obviously frustrated one due to being the guy who merely facilitated the hand-off from center to running back b/c someone on that staff preferred settling for FGs rather than aggressively trying to punch it in. This also included wild-cat based frustration where Chad's on a roll and then suddenly subbed out for a formation he knows averages 1.7 YPA and does nothing to set up play action.
     
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  12. djphinfan

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    Those throws happen to all QB's, and when you look at the whole picture, throws like that were not the norm, and did not add up to a trend, especially not during the first 10 games of the season, its not something that I'am concerned with in terms of whether he can make throws like that, He can make that throw, its the escapability plays that concern me..

    I knew Daboll pushed Mccoy and was his QB coach, its one of the reasons why I keep saying addition by subtraction when it comes to the removal of henning..Hes gonna work with Henne, directly, in his face..
     
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    We'll just disagree Bro, I know what I saw in his first 4 starts was kind of not there by the end of 09, in 2010 it was gone.

    Recall the long pass attempts to Beast deep down the field? How about the missed throws to BM in the end zone?

    The ones where BM would go in motion and sort of have a running start towards the goal line, all Henne has to do is lead BM properly..TD..and he hit on 1 of them, all yr, that play is a gimmie and was a staple for the 49ers of greatness.

    Have to stick them Deej, those opportunites just do not show up that often for a young Qb.

    For fun, think about how many times you saw Henne throw the ball into the EZ, not throwing it away, but actually into the EZ.

    I think the two of them are made for each other Deej, workaholics, results are a different matter.

    Do like the pieces we have on offense, gotten faster and more athletic, and hopefully more durable as another thing not being spoken about is the Oline will be really young which should lead to less games missed due to injuries on the unit.
     
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    2 workaholics together like that pushing each other gives me a greater sense of hope than what 2010 provided.
     
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    Well, maybe, this is where the lockout comes back to haunt us, as if he had Daboll in his ear right now it would be logical to assume Henne would be further along, here is a good example of what some teams are doing:

    Daboll being from the Belicheck tree hopefully he has some devious stuff going on ATM same as the McDaniels Brothers in st louis.
     
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    Very strong points, Alen. I'm with you in believing that many of his areas of concern are either correctable or at least improvable to where he can develop into the type of QB who contributes to the team's success rather than hindering it, while occasionally carrying us to a big win.
     
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    TBH, my hope for 2011 is on the Defense and ST and running game improving TP, if Henne manages to hang on and win the starting job over a Vet then anything he does afterwards is a bonus in my view.

    Am I expecting too much out of Henne?
     
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    No, I think that's pretty reasonable.

    If the Defense, ST, and ground game can allow Henne to be a contributor rather than carrier of the team, I think he could be ok and slowly grow into a more integral component. If we didn't have some of the other puzzle pieces in place, then I'd be MUCH more concerned about Henne's development than I currently am.

    Since Sanchez and Henne had similar 2010 production, I'm inclined to believe Henne's 2011 production can improve significantly if afforded a similar situation to Mark. Maybe I'm the one expecting too much. lol.
     
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    I think the reality is it takes more than one person to suck. If Tony Sparano's conservative methods were paired with a quarterback that is naturally more aggressive, maybe you'd actually have something good. But that's not what we have. We have a conservative coach teaching a conservative quarterback to be conservative. I do think things could be different if more sides of the equation changed...not just Dan Henning but also the quarterback changes, which helps to counter Sparano's conservative situational football teaching.

    I really don't think quarterbacks get "ruined" as easily as people say. The good ones will themselves out, and you're going to see the talent. Play makers make plays. Even as a rookie with a 60.0 QB Rating you could see what kind of player Josh Freeman was building into.
     
  20. MrClean

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    I wonder, how conservative was the Boys offense the year Sparano called the plays? Was it 2006? That year, Romo's first year starting, he had 8.6 ypa. Their overall offense talent was far ahead of where we were in 2010 though.
     
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    What inclines you to believe Henne is a conservative QB by nature? He seemed like more of a risk taker at Michigan than he did last year. I'm under the impression that 3 years with this regime has beaten it into him, with Chad being the type of guy to do exactly what his coaches request rather than a more carefree type like Thigpen who has no problem showing a little insubordination..... which is why I'm asking your opinion b/c perhaps I've missed something along the way that you picked up on.


    What we're seeing from Henne this offseason IMO appears to be a laudable effort to "will himself out" of being ruined. He's refusing to fold, so I at least have to credit him for that.
     
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    I don't see why Henne would be considered a QB with an intrinsically conservative nature. He was often a mad bomber in college.
    Even though Carolina was more aggressive on offense under Henning, and the Boys offense was more aggressive the year Tony called plays, somehow or for some reason, the combination of 3 previously aggressive offensive mindsets, we end up with a conservative offense with the 3 together. There is a difference in supporting casts in all 3 places, so perhaps that plays into it?
     
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    could the order have come down from Tuna with Sparano & Henning simply following orders like good little foot soldiers?
     
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    I think it may come down to Steve Smith > Brian Hartline. If you were the Dolphins QB last season, was there a receiver on the team who could get down the field in a hurry consistently that you could just chuck the ball to? Peyton Manning is a great QB, but I'm sure he loved throwing to Marvin Harrison.
     
  25. MrClean

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    One thing that perplexes me is the different kinds of assts we have on defense compared to offense. Our defensive assts, starting with Nolan as DC, then Rodgers, Sheridan, Bowles, and now adding another proven veteran asst in Cox, is a lot more impressive from a track record standpoint, than our offensive staff of Daboll, DeGuglielmo,(was only an asst OL coach in the NFL before Miami) Dorrell, (never been a QB coach at any level), Nixon, (was only an asst RB coach in NFL before Miami), Bush, (never been a WR coach at any level), and Campbell, (although a long time player at TE, never been a TE coach at any level). It seems to me an entirely different mindset was followed when adding defensive assistants compared to the current offensive staff. The offensive staff is very young, largely unproven, while the core of the defensive staff is the opposite. Same could be said for STs. Rizzi was never an NFL ST coordinator before taking over for Bomamego last season. He never coached in the NFL before joining Miami as asst STs coach.
    The offensive assts that left were veterans, and for some reason Tony went with youth (and enthusiasm?) to replace Henning, Saxon, DeLeone and Lee. Same as a couple years ago when he replaced Mike Maser with Gugs. Same as retaining Rizzi as STC rather than looking for a veteran STC after the season and moving Rizzi back to asst STs.
    I get a sense on offense and STs of a lot more nepotism in the hirings, though maybe I'm wrong and I guess you could see some of it on most staffs. Look at all the assts with marginal NFL resumes who however have a history with Tony. Bush, Gugs, Rizzi, currently, and I recall the previous TE coach, DeLeone, and also Bonamego, did as well. Also, hiring his own kid as an asst, one who has never coached in the NFL, and has one season coaching in the UFL as his entire resume. Granted, Rodgers and Bowles were on the Dallas staff with him, but they also have solid proven resumes prior to coming to Miami.
     
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    Dan Henning once said if he could run the ball every down, he would. He also once said that his goal was to make sure his QB didn't beat his own team. This is the same OC who once said that the chances of him calling throws to routes in the seams of the defense are very slim because he felt that the INT % went up dramatically when throwing in the seam. I can understand that but boy, he sure let that affect his play calling.
     
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    I don't think he'll ever be elite though, and I've said that since the day he was drafted.
     
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    I don't disagree with that my friend.... and that's not a slight to Henne by any stretch as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    Imho, I think Henne at his best will be a good Completion percentage/Td to Int Qb, I doubt he ever tops 30Td's as he does not have the ability to make that happen imho, but a Kelly like 25 Td's/15 int's 64% completions is him at his max imho.

    Some guys make things happen, others just kind of take what is there and are happy with it.
     
  30. MrClean

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    What would be the explanation of the aggressive passing game Carolina had when he was OC and Delhomme was QB? John Fox does not seem to be the kind of head coach who would mandate more aggression by the offense either. Steve Smith was a pretty rare weapon though, that nothing we've had the past 3 yrs even remotely compares to. Would that be all there is to it?
     
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    I really don't know. It may be because Delhomme was a veteran so there was more trust there. You gotta remember that the Dan Henning they got last year is not the same one that they got when they won the division. Something went wrong with Henning and to me he looked like he had his retirement papers done half way through the season. The first four or six games of this past season were good play calling. He did some nice things but the problem was that he never expanded on those things; he just kept coming back to them. What you saw in the first four or six, you saw in the last four or six. It got to the point where he relied on four main concepts, which I don't really have a problem with, but he didn't make any adjustments to those concepts. You have to adjust your concepts and play designs because you can't put the same **** out there every game. You shouldn't at least but he did. I realize you're seeing Cover 2 Buc, 2 Read (mostly from NE) or Man-Free every play basically but you've got to change it up man. Reports surfaced that the offense had no sight adjustments and pretty much nothing that is needed in today's offenses.
     
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    Delhomme had 6 games and 2 starts before going to Carolina in 2003. He was really pretty green when he took over as their starter.
     
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    The thing to keep in mind though is that Tony Sparano was never more than the Running Game Coordinator in Dallas. He did call the plays at one point, but that's a very specific duty. When you call a play, you don't call "slant to Terry Glenn". You call a play that has five routes, some of them option routes, the quarterback applies the play call to what he reads on the field, makes adjustments (protections, hot routes), and then goes with the ball where he thinks is best. There's nothing to suggest that Tony Sparano had anything to do with the passing game's design, or even the game plan for the week. And as the Run Game Coordinator, he almost certainly didn't hold jurisdiction over the quarterback to where he could keep preaching to him about situational awareness and not being risky with the football once you get into certain areas of the field, etc.
     
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    I disagree with that statement.
     
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    In 2003 when Delhomme took over he'd never been more than a backup in New Orleans. Not much game experience. And he threw deep and aggressively at a wicked pace.
     
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    Have to say this is spot on. Can Henne make all the throws, yes. Does Henne make all the throws, no. Does that mean we cut bait, no. Give him one more year and see if there is improvement in making those 3-5 throws / game that he NEEDS to make. To be a QB that the franchise can get behind, you need to make most of your opportunities count and I agree in 2010, Henne did not make most of his opportunities count.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    Indicted imo...

    People wanna know why Henne spiraled in the 2nd half of the season...Thats one destructive variable in play right there..

    Dude played well in the first half.
     
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  39. ToddsPhins

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    and I think he would've played even better if Henning didn't chain his testicles to the 38 yard line.
     
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  40. alen1

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    You're right, guys. I forgot. Good calls.

    For more info, here's a thread I wrote at another site a while back on Henning:

     

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