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***Official 2011 New York Yankees Thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by BigDogsHunt, Nov 6, 2010.

  1. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    UPDATE: BREAKING (NON-BREAK ACTUALLY) NEWS -

    According to Kieran Daryc of ESPN New York, the veteran third baseman had the protective walking boot removed from his left foot and was also told by doctors that he never actually suffered a fracture — only a deep bone bruise.

    The Yankees’ team physicians are expecting Chavez to be ready for full baseball activities in about three weeks.
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  2. finyank13

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    thank god they need his bat....the guy was hitting the ball to all fields...

    they have to do with Chavez like they do in softball when a guy cant run, and have somebody stand next to him and then when he hits the ball, the other guy (perferably Gardener) starts running....
     
  3. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/cano_ok_after_royal_beaning_Ey6X5h7SM9wxtSY0GI1mcK
     
  4. Ray Finkle

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    Wow the biggest news happened off the field tonight huh? Anyway here's my take, both Posada and the Yankees (specifically Cashman) handled this situation wrong. IF Posada truly asked out of the line up because he was batting 9th than I never want to hear about how he's this great teammate or leader. I'm sorry but a real leader doesn't ask out of a game because he doesn't like where he's hitting, it's all about his ego and not the team. That's something that happens in Little League. As for Cashman, do you really have to give an interview in the middle of the game explaining how Posada asked out? While I appreciate the honesty can't you just protect the player and say it was decided to just give him the day off because he was pressing too much? It's just an unneeded distraction for the team. And for the Yankees FO looking to try and void Posada's contract, please enough with the jokes.
     
  5. finyank13

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    Good thing Posada is a professional, would have hated to see if he wasnt.......good I'm glad, Girardi is having the guts to try and better the team with what he has, and he is getting killed for it....here is a hint Posada.....you are this close to getting benched, the last resort to extend any sort of confidence into you, is to drop you to 9th....I will say it is a little earlier than I expected to pull this move, I thought they would have waited until at least until June....cuz you know crazy fans like me expect to much...

    They just couldnt keep him where he was doing what he is doing, he is killing them.....Swisher is next....thank God those 2 contracts are up at the end of the year......
     
  6. finyank13

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    Ever get that feeling that life isnt so happy in happy-land....ever since the contract fallout, it seems that the older guys sans Rivera, just have a beef with management over everything it seems....Meanwhile Rivera just keeps throwing hhahaha, he even made Gonzo look like a minor leaguer yesterday...

    http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/70138469707563009
     
  7. Ray Finkle

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    I was shocked Posada got a standing O last night. I understand he's done a lot for the organization but still he acted unprofessionally, especially over him not wanting to bat 9th.

    Everyone knows Jeter is Posada's best buddy so he's going to side with him no matter what and also Jeter isn't friendly with some of the front office guys (specifically Cashman) anymore so it's not a real shock. Of course when the team is losing it's a better deal. If the Yankees won 2 out of 3 this weekend no one would care about the Posada thing or what Jeter thinks.

    The big problem is going to happen when Jeter gets moved down the order. Because since Jeter's breakout weekend he hasn't done anything at the plate since.
     
  8. finyank13

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    Fans are loyal, also I think the fanbase as a whole, myself included...is fet up with the Steinbrenner borthers as well....In a strange way it would almost be good if they didnt make the playoffs....changes on a big level need to be made....



    Here is the problem Fink, Jeter is the Captain of the team, I understand he backs his boy, but Jorge himself apoligized, so therefore he knows what he did was wrong, and isnt a good example at all....futhermore a veteran who is a champion, he has to know better....but for Jeter to say that as a Captain isnt good either....he could have just said what he always says, "We need to play better".....he obviously picked a side in this one...
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    Jeter will never say anything in public that isn't vanilla. Nor has he ever been the one to be out spoken in the media or behind closed doors. He's just not that type of guy. He never defended Arod in public when fans were on him, never defended Torre in public or endorsed him to stay on as manager. Jeter just doesn't want to get into the middle of anything ever.

    The more I think of the situation, while yes Posada was wrong I think what Cashman did throwing him under the bus like that was worse. Cashman caused the whole situation by opening up his mouth. All Cashman had to say was 'Posada was really pressing so both Joe and myself felt it would be better to sit him tonight'. That way he protects the player and the team. Instead Cashman continues with this honesty gimmick he's been doing since October and causes more harm than good. If Cashman simply said that there wouldn't be anything to talk about now. Instead the past 2 nights I heard more about Posada than I did in the past 15 years.

    Like Curt Schilling said numerous times over the weekend (and I'm not trying to turn this into a Red Sox/Yankee thing) you'd never hear Theo Epstein or Terry Francona do what Cashman did in public like that. And I know of things that happened behind closed doors in the locker room that has never gotten out in the open with situations similiar to what Posada did. It's just not smart to ever air dirty laundry in public, it's not good business.
     
  10. finyank13

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    Agreed but honestly you have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to think that even if Cashman did take the high road, everybody still wouldnt have known that Posada pulled himself out because he felt disrespected....

    This is what we know...

    1) Posada was in the lineup batting 9th on Saturday night......when the lineup card was posted

    2) Then he wasnt....

    you do the math, yes late scratches happen alot I understand that, but given the scenerio the way he has been batting, there was no way you are convincing the NY media, that this wasnt anything but what it really was....

    Cashman is a fool, but I in a way applaude him for being honest.....Posada is the one that got his panties in a bunch...it will be interesting tonight on primetime too...

    I love the older guys I really do, but I feel somewhat disrespected by them, because for all these years, they have preached team first, and they have gotten away from that IMO....and more about "me"....for 2 people I would have never expected that from.....I dont think it is going to be 2 much fun with Jeter for 2-3 more years just saying.....alot of tension I see....

    you know it is bad when A-Rod isnt in any headlines.....and Schilling should just shut up, and stop trying to be relevant...
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    According to Mike Francesa, he said he heard ownership made Cashman speak to FOX about Posada.

    Anyway if Cashman said they wanted to give him a rest it would have killed the story right there and then. I don't see how it could have been a story, if they wanted to take it further then they could have gone the Laura Posada route and made up a fake injury. Again it wouldn't have been a story.

    And bottom line as much as guys say it's team this and team that, it's always always always about themselves first. Ego has a lot to do with it. It gets in the way a lot.
     
  12. finyank13

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    your right, only IF Posada starts hitting, or they just deal with the fact he is going to bat .200 this year and dont do anything about it......eventually as he continues to struggle, this topic becomes a reoccurance if they do nothing...eventually something like this was going to happen...
     
  13. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    At this point I have nothing of value to add to the discussion - so many issues, so many problems, so much lacking.......its a low point right now.
     
  14. finyank13

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    dude calm down it is only 6 weeks in!!!!! lol.....I agree though, hopefully things turn around....watch them get shutout out tonight against Price....
     
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  15. Ray Finkle

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    Not sure Soriano should really be throwing the hitters under the bus at this point in his Yankee career.
     
  16. finyank13

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    Really didnt see that? must check....where Fink?

    I honeslty love the chaos, I have been at odds with their philosophy for a few years know, and they deserve this....bring on the Bronx Zoo yet again!!
     
  17. Ray Finkle

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    Here's the article:

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/17/elbow-stiffness-still-bothering-yankees-rafael-soriano/

    Here's the quote:

    It can't make too many players happy that someone who's not only been bad this year but is now hurt throwing the hitters under the bus like that. My other question is why is he even commenting on that? There's just too much talking going on with the Yankees right now.
     
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  18. finyank13

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    Cuz overall he doesnt want to be there IMO, he went for the money, when you look at him throw it is clearly obvious......

    And the too much talking you are absolutely right, but where do you look to put an end to it?? Simple question?
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    I think that's where the General Manager, Manager and clubhouse leaders need to step in and tell the players "Enough with the finger pointing BS, we don't need added pressure or distractions in the clubhouse. Let's all just shut up and play baseball".

    The problem is the General Manager loves to talk now, Girardi hates to talk to the media but has to and I'm not sure if Jeter or some of the other players are vocal about getting on guys and keeping order in the locker room. That's not a knock on the Yankee players but I really don't know what goes on in the clubhouse.
     
  20. finyank13

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    I think Cashman is going to do ANYTHING the owners tell him, he is in a walk year, however if you are a Captain on a team, it is your duty....not the GM's to quell this crap, you arent a Captain for any other reason than leadership....I hate the silent captain thing, then dont be one, it is like a paradox, you cant be silent and a captain.....here is another question.....where is the preverbile "team meeting"? Captains call team meetings when crap hits the fan no? If you wanna ride the highs and be praised as "The Captain" I am sorry you need to take the criticism with the lows.....

    Another thing and I agree that Jeter has never been that voice, but more of a leader by his play on the field, but the one throwning a hissy fit is the one who for years was the "vocal" one in the clubhouse, and thats why Jeter likes him so much...basically Posada was handling that aspect for him all these years....
     
  21. finyank13

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    Yanks against Britton tonight, a pitcher they have never seen before.....they usually dont do well against that but baseball is funny....

    good to see Jorge hit the ball with some authroity last night
     
  22. finyank13

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    I know people will kill me for this, but on my way home from a softball game last night at 940 or so, I first tuned into the game and hear Colon has a 3H 87 pitch game though 8IP....the first thing Sterling says "Lets play manager" I knew exactly what he was talking about in that do you leave him in for the 9th, even with Mo.....

    The answer has to be yes you do, he has earned it, if 110 pitches are thrown then yeah, but 87?? Stupid move IMO.....you have a chance to rest your bully, instill a nice confidence boost in your guy, and possibly the team....you have to do that....

    On top of that Girardi, a by the book manager, has to know that the book says that 2 of 3 blown saves (now 3 of 4) have come against Baltimore this year and it is less than ideal conditions....poor judgement call IMO......but in any event Girardi loses out on this if a run is given up in the 9th irregardless of who is on the mound, no win situation....

    Alias nice win by them, Moesi pitched great, and I would expect that the Yankees throw at them tonight....alothough that isnt CC's mentality, but Joba possibly??

    for those who dont know, 15th inning, Cano hits a double gets NY the lead with 2 RBI's, next batter Dickson first pitch, beaned in the head, Gonzalez immediately gets tossed......unlike Cano, he looked pretty stunned, Girardi runs out, and just stares at Showalter, and says something to him.....I wish AJ was pitching hahaha
     
  23. finyank13

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    Nice night, one of those when you dont have to worry about bullpen alignments, which pinch-hitters to use....etc....solid effort all around...

    Looking forward the the series this weekend against those other guys....
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    It's kind of hard to 2nd guess Girardi in that spot when he has Rivera in the bullpen. I mean if Colon pitched the 9th and gave up a run, Girardi would have been hammered for not going to Mo. He was in a no win situation really. And I don't care how many blown saves he has against a certain team, my money will always be on Rivera to get the save.

    As for Mike Gonzalez, I really don't think he meant to hit Dickerson in the head. Gonzalez has always been wild and why would he throw at someone in that spot with a runner at 3rd base, when if he missed the batter it could be a wild pitch scoring the run? I think the umps need to think about the situation before they automatically act and toss someone out.
     
  25. finyank13

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    Yes an damn if you do or dont moment sure, but let your guy get the CG shutout IMO, especially with so little pitches thrown thru 8.....

    I think the umps did well by tossing him, AND they probrably got warned before last night game as well...........if he is hit in the back or butt, he probrably doesnt get tossed, but he broke the kids helmet....I dont think a guy who is always wild cares about that run at 3rd with 0 outs after he just gave up the lead in a game like this....
     
  26. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I was at the 15inning game vs O's. Had a blast (my Dad's 75th Bday). The game was on quick pace thru 8 with Colon lights out, then slowest pace after. Girardi was in no win situation with 20/20 hindsight. Could have kept Colon in and only would have been vindicated with complete game, or need Rivera to grab save with runners on. Letting Mo start the 9th clean, he obviously needed to have a clean save to not catch flack. Since neither happen, its typical to catch flack from "experts" claiming one way or the other was the only right decision.

    As far as Gonzalez bean ball. The Catcher set up low and outside on the Robbie Cano triple (which Cano hit a middle in pitch); and the Catcher set up outside corner when Dickerson gets plunked in the coconut after ducking and moving down and toward the plate. What that says is Crappy Pitcher but ZERO intent. What that also says is once again, the Umps suck at their respective jobs, and suck worse with the concept of controlling the game with "intent" on hit by pitch - warnings and all that crap that goes with it. All in all, the fact that Mike G. had to get tossed totally F'd the O's needing just one more out, especially since they were out of bullpen arms and had to use Gutherie and thus blow his start that should have been the next night.

    Though I think MLB clubs totally are F'd themselves with the mindset that a Pitcher cant warm up the night before, throw for 1 out, and somehow its impossible for them to get some sleep wake up the next day and actually start the game. And thats whether its this strange scenario or a rain out/delay, clubs do it as if its a major written rule and medically non-accepted for arm fatigue.
     
  27. finyank13

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    good effort this weekend, would have loved the sweep......Grandy is night and day against left handers......A-Rod upped his avg to .284 with 3 infield hits....

    Jeter is getting close to 3000, at 2975 hits and counting....
     
  28. Jt0323

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    Great 9th inning win! Needed that

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  29. BigDogsHunt

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    Totally agree, huge walkoff.:up:

    3 big hits - Posada (2B), Grandy (2out 1B/SB), Tex (2out 1B and walkoff)...and not simply a HR jack.
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    Soriano headed down to see Dr. James Andrews as his MRI picked up something and the Yankees want a 2nd opinion. Usually when guys go down to see him they don't come back without being cut open. I'm sure IF Soriano needs surgery it's going to add more fuel to Cashman's fire on not wanting to sign him in the off season. Seriously though this shouldn't come as a big surprise as Soriano has had a spotty injury history.
     
  31. BigDogsHunt

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    Was reading this review about the "Jeter Book" aside from it beinig pretty spot on : http://riveraveblues.com/2011/05/book-review-o-captain-my-captain-48856/ I found this snipet on the side of the site to be fascinating.

    thats crazy to me, only 8 and 10 by May 27th!

    wow.
     
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  32. Finfangirl

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    Was at the game this afternoon, what a dazzling performance by bartolo! Biggest surprise of the season so far. Nick swisher looks as awful in person as he does on tv and i was sitting close enough to hear him yell at himself after each at bat.
     
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  33. FaninPatsyLand

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    There is not a single conceivable explanation of Bartolo Colon's 2011 season that does not involve the use of PEDs.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    I think it has to do with that new surgery he got more so than any PED he may have taken. I mean I guess we won't know for sure unless he fails a drug test but assuming he's 100% PED clear this surgery he got might give a new life to pitchers. Hell if I'm the Red Sox or any team I'd be calling up Pedro Martinez asking him if he wants to give it a try.
     
  35. BigDogsHunt

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    Never to early to look at Off-Season preparations and who could be available and flexibility for each organization. Dierkes puts together a great collection here.:up:

    2012 Contract Issues Series

    By Tim Dierkes [May 31 at 1:12pm CST]
    The 2012 Contract Issues series is complete. Below are links to our posts for each team, as well as a brief summary of what they face after the season. Please take the estimated 2012 payroll flexibility numbers with a large grain of salt, because those figures involve me making assumptions on arbitration awards, options, and payrolls and do not reflect possible trades.
    AL East

    • Orioles: Slew of veteran free agents in Vlad, Derrek Lee, Mike Gonzalez, Hardy. Jones, Guthrie, Scott due big arb raises. Could have $18MM+ to spend.
    • Red Sox: Major free agents include Drew, Ortiz, and Papelbon. Ellsbury is biggest arb case. Plenty of needs but only $23MM in estimated payroll flexibility, and must deal with luxury tax.
    • Yankees: Have to decide whether to re-sign Colon and/or Garcia; rotation will face huge uncertainty in likely event Sabathia opts out. Tough option decision on Swisher; Cashman could have $50MM to work with if declined.
    • Rays: Record-setting arb case for Price; arb raise due to Upton. Retaining all option and arb eligible players would require a payroll increase; major creativity required here.
    • Blue Jays: Club options on three relievers plus Hill; notable arb cases in Escobar and Morrow. Should have $24MM+ to spend.
    AL Central

    • White Sox: Rotation questions with Buehrle and Jackson due for free agency; also Pierre. Solid arb raises due to Danks and Quentin; $13MM to spend unless payroll is raised or there's a trade.
    • Indians: Options on Sizemore and Carmona; big arb cases for Masterson, Choo, Chris Perez, Asdrubal Cabrera. Retaining all key players would bring them to '11 payroll level, but playoff run would create some flexibility.
    • Tigers: Estimated $13MM in flexibility unless payroll is raised. Scherzer in line for large raise as first-time arb player.
    • Royals: Opening Day rotation may be mostly replaced by top prospects; solid stopgaps Betemit and Francoeur up for free agency also. Arb raise due to Gordon; sticky situation with affordable Soria option. Could easily find $40MM+ to spend this offseason.
    • Twins: Five regular players hitting free agency; arb decisions due on Liriano and Young. Estimated $30MM to spend but lots of needs.
    AL West

    • Angels: Pineiro is biggest free agent; nice arb raise due to Kendrick and possibly a historic one to Weaver. Should still have $24MM to spend.
    • Athletics: Likely that 60% of team's regular position players reach free agency. Large arb class headed by Gio Gonzalez and Bailey. Might have $17MM to spend but lots of openings.
    • Mariners: Bedard is most notable free agent; pitchers Vargas and League due arb raises. Should have $20MM+ to spend.
    • Rangers: Crucial free agent in C.J. Wilson, and expensive arb raises coming for Cruz, Napoli, and others. No payroll flexibility even without Wilson unless payroll is raised significantly.
    NL East

    • Braves: Notable arb case for Jurrjens; could have $15MM to put toward tinkering. More available if a starter is dealt.
    • Marlins: Disappointing free agents in Vazquez, Infante. Anibal Sanchez, Leo Nunez biggest arb cases. Would have less than $10MM to spend with $70MM payroll.
    • Mets: Reyes, Beltran, and possibly K-Rod up for free agency if either is still around at season's end. Solid arb raise due to Pelfrey. Would have $20MM to play with even with a drop to a $100MM payroll; future of franchise hinges on Picard lawsuit.
    • Phillies: Rollins, Madson are key free agents; Oswalt has mutual option. Massive arb raise due for Hamels; could still have $38MM to spend.
    • Nationals: Limited flexibility once decent arb class is accounted for, until the team gets a payroll bump.
    NL Central

    • Cubs: Fukudome, Pena, Ramirez likely to depart as free agents; Dempster has player option. Notable arb cases for Soto, Garza. Even with Dempster they'd have over $60MM to spend if payroll is maintained, opening up possibility for big offseason led by bidding on Pujols or Fielder.
    • Reds: Option on Phillips; less than $10MM to spend if he's retained.
    • Astros: Big arb cases in Pence and Bourn; would leave less than $10MM to spend unless Crane raises payroll to previous levels.
    • Brewers: Expected to lose Fielder; big arb raise coming for Marcum. May have only $10-15MM to spend.
    • Pirates: Lots of club options, most will be declined. Morton, Hanrahan up for arb; should have at least $25MM to spend.
    • Cardinals: Free agent monsters in Pujols and Berkman plus a tough option decision on Carpenter. Rasmus, Garcia enter arb. Declining Carp would give about $26MM to spend, most of which would have to go to Pujols.
    NL West

    • Diamondbacks: Kelly Johnson a free agent; Saunders a non-tender candidate. Should have over $20MM to spend.
    • Rockies: No big free agent or arb cases. Could have around $12MM to spend.
    • Dodgers: Kuroda eligible for free agency and uncertainty in the infield. Large raises due for Kershaw, Kemp, and Ethier in arb; Loney may be non-tendered. Maintaining payroll could leave $37MM to spend, though that could be reduced assuming ownership remains in flux.
    • Padres: Veteran free agents: Bell, Ludwick, Harang, Hawpe, Qualls. Adams, Gregerson, Stauffer lead a large arb group. Arb paydays could leave less than $10MM to spend.
    • Giants: Ground-breaking arb case for Lincecum; Sandoval and Sanchez also eligible. Even with several position players up for free agency, payroll flexibility appears to be under $10MM.
     
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  36. finyank13

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    yeah he has to be getting asked every 5 minutes to piss in a cup......

    I heard something about stem cell being replenished into the blood, and injected into he area....illegal here but not in the DR?? I have no factual basis, my old man said he heard it on Francesca's show during the last Sox/Yanks series....
     
  37. finyank13

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    what tough decision on Swisher, it is a 10.25 million dollar option.....ummmmmmmm no.....

    I wonder what Colon and Garcia are going to want after this year, provided they keep it up....
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I don't have all the facts about the surgery but he basically got a new shoulder with the stem cells. The only thing in question is whether HGH was used during or after the surgery but my thoughts are as long as he stopped using while he was under contract with a MLB team who cares what he did/didn't do while he was out of baseball.

    Personally I don't care about PEDs anymore.

    WAYYYYYYYYY to early to even think about next year, especially when it comes to who to resign or what the payroll flexibility will be. Who knows if Colon or Garcia will make it to July healthy. As for the Swisher option, yeah it's looking like a no but again a lot can happen in 6 months (who thought two years ago at this time David Ortiz would still be playing and playing well today) so it's kind of silly to even speculate on the off season as this season is barely 25% over with.

    Of course if the Tommy Boy Brothers and/or Randy Levine get involved I bet they resign Swisher to a Mark Teixeira type contract.
     
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  39. finyank13

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    Now that PED's are most likely out of baseball, I think everybody should adhere to the rules, after the strike I didnt care about PED's it brought it back, and was cool too see guys hit home runs I guess.....I would expect a quick rule change though banning any sort of surgury like this, cuz I think you would see everybody and their mother starting to trek down there for it.....it kinda of is a backdoor enhancement.....




    ughhhhhh so true......I have seen enough of Swisher to know IMO I dont want him back at 10.25, I dont care if he goes off this year and wins the championship for them.....
     
  40. Ray Finkle

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    I don't know enough about the surgery to really comment as to whether it's good, bad or ugly but I can say that you're going to see a lot more pitchers try this out and it will be extremely interesting to see the success rate of this new surgery. Personally I have no problem with HGH being used to help the stem cells react/heal quicker especially if there's a medical reason for using the HGH in the first place.

    Again this is all assuming that HGH was actually used in the surgery, something Colon and the doctors have said it was not used.
     

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