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***Official 2011 New York Yankees Thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by BigDogsHunt, Nov 6, 2010.

  1. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    right right, but how would or even could (without govt directive) MLB condone something that is technically still being researched here and is illegal to perform here, it is even a platform for some candidates in elections.....if indeed stem cells are in any way shape or for being cultivate/healed/transplanted/whatever have you....I can see MLB reacting to this....

    dude they should send Wakefield down there, he would be able to pitch until he is 67.....:lol:
     
  2. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    To be clear, all reports have indicated that the Doctor used Colon's own stem cells in the procedure, not embryonic stem cells (of which the primary source is fetal tissue).

    That said, the results on the field have been curious - to say the least. He was out of baseball entirely last year and now he's tossing 4 hitters with 96+ MPH fastballs on the black.

    Why aren't other guys lining up to have this done?
     
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  3. Ray Finkle

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    Well players can still get this surgery done without the MLB's approval. I mean what's stopping them? And for arguement sake let's say HGH is used in the surgery, so what? If it helps players pitch as well as Colon has why not get the thing doen and hope you don't fail a PED test and if you do, who cares. The player is suspended for 50 games but can still rehab while on suspended. That's what Edison Volquez did with the Reds when he got TJ surgery.

    Oh I bet you'll see at least 2 or 3 pitchers get this surgery done in the offseason if Colon can hold up. I mean what Colon has been able to do this year compared to the last 3 years is remarkable.
     
  4. finyank13

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    okay see I didnt know that, I thought they were using stem cells other than his.....if thats the case I wonder what is going on, because thats like taking motor oil out of your car, stirring it a few times, and putting it back....

    also I think people fear the unknown....they dont wanna try something until somebody else does it....I will say while they (yankees) reap the benefits now, I am against it, who wants a bunch of late 30's, ealry 40 year olders hurling there has to be a natural pecking order.......??
     
  5. finyank13

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    I gotta disagree Fink..............PED's shouldnt be used in any form anymore, the party is over.....it is against MLB and they are taking the steps to eliminate it from the game, so just becuase it is legal in another country doesnt mean it should be used...

    They have mastered TJ so well, that you dont need HGH anyhow.....
     
  6. finyank13

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    http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/bill_conlin/122909929.html

    I mean if this is the case, then why wouldnt people be lining up.....although it does remain unclear if he used HGH....this guy who did it used HGH in this procedure before...
     
  7. Ray Finkle

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    The problem is there is zero evidence that HGH actually helps a baseball player get better nor is there a way for HGH to be tested right now. I'm not saying just because its legal in one country it should be ok to do in the US but if this surgery is sucessful players are going to do it regardless and just take the 50 game suspension IF they get caught. Right now Colon has probably been tested at least once or twice now and so far he's passed. Of course IF HGH was used in the surgery it would be out of his system already by now, at least I think it would be anyway.
     
  8. finyank13

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    As in? Performance or recovery? There are multiple players who come out and admit they used it because it aids in recovery.....that is a bit misleading....if it has no benefical effects in aiding in recovery why would any ball player use something that they dont know 100% if it is safe for them to use in the first place?
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    Performance wise.
     
  10. Jt0323

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  11. finyank13

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    nice Nick........a day off, and then on to the house of horrors....
     
  12. finyank13

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    6-3 on the west coast trip....nice jobs fellas...coming home for THE rivalry......

    Hey Fink answer me this question....

    I know that they are 2 different sports obviously, but if you draft somebody in football and he doesnt sign, it isnt like he just goes into the draft pool again next year, or can decide to go to college AFTER (I know you cant just go from high school to the NFL) being drafted..once you declare for the draft and then get drafted by a team thats it...

    In what instance do baseball players get drafted by a team and then dont go to that team....I ask because that kid going number 1 today Garret Cole, was drafted by the Yankees in 08, had Boras and they threw 4 million at him, he didnt sign and went to college....

    if that system exists it sucks, how do ball players get to shop around after they declare for the draft, makes no sense, the players has ALL the leverage no?
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    In baseball you don't declare for the draft. You can either be drafted after your senior year of HS, any year in junior college and after your junior and senior years of college. Therefore players can decide to go to college after they get drafted.

    The players have almost no leverage except to threaten to go back to school or sit out for a year and play indy ball. That's one of the reasons why teams throw crazy money at the kids to convince them to sign rather go to college. For your example Cole told the Yankees he would sign with them and changed his mind and decided to go to college instead. Apparently money wasn't the issue as his family is loaded but the kid just wanted to experience college life. Pretty big gamble in my opinion but hey it's his life/choice but personally I would have signed for that 4 million.

    There's also a draft deadline for players drafted usually in the middle of August so if the player doesn't sign with the team by then they have to go back into the draft for the next year (unless they're college seniors then the deadline is the day of the next draft I believe).

    Hope that helps.
     
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    Thats what I am having a hard time figuring out, that they are allowed to do that, both professionally and thru NCAA rules.....even in basketball if you go into the NBA out of HS (even thou thats even changed now) you forgo you schlorship eligibility.....I dont get how they dont once they get drafted, give up the schlorship....I could see funny business going on, especially when you are talking agents, teams, contracts, and decisions...

    Is it really all because in baseball, nobody declares, but rather a free market so to speak??
     
  15. Ray Finkle

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    Oh there's absolutely funny business that goes on in every draft with every team. But that doesn't automatically insure that Player X will go to Team X etc. And really the only ones that have leverage are the high school seniors because they can threaten to go to college and thus can't be touched by another team for 3 years.
     
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  16. finyank13

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    So New York drafted Dante Bichette's son, aptly named Dante Bichette Jr.....3rd basemen......maybe A-Rod's replacment down the road who knows? Or seeing he is 18, he will pull a Garret Cole, and be the number 1 in 3 years again going to Pitt....ugh...

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news...06&content_id=20119086&vkey=news_nyy&c_id=nyy
     
  17. Ray Finkle

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    For whatever it's worth scouts think he'll be more of a COF/1B/DH type as he's not the best fielder but has a strong arm and good speed.
     
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  18. finyank13

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    This year is simple, the Yankees arent going to win unless they beat the Red Sox.....it is that simple....so take it from there....
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Eh I wouldn't worry too much, the Yankees were what 0-9 against the Red Sox in 2009 and ended up winning the World Series, there's still a hell out a lot of baseball left.
     
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  20. finyank13

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    Ohh agreed Fink, but this year I think they will be there in the end it is just whether they cant beat them.....although the starting pitching for the Sox HEALTH wise is a question...Clay's back, they pushed Lester (I dont think there is anything wrong with him, I think they pushed him back to face NY).......now Lackey is saying his elbow is going to get worse???
     
  21. Ray Finkle

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    Health of the team in general is the key. Lester was pushed back to face the Yankees and to give him a little bit of rest (something the Sox tend to do with their pitchers during the season). Buchholz says his back had been bothering him but is fine now, Sox just pushed him back to be safe. Not sure about that Lackey quote, I'm not doubting you, but he did pitch alright on Sunday, he's the 4th starter so I'm not real concerned with him. I do think losing Rich Hill is going to hurt this team, although Hottovy has been pitching well in small sample sizes of course. Jenks needs to stay healthy. Pedroia is also clearly still hurting from his broken foot last year and won't be right until they take out the screw at the end of the year.

    I mean on the flip side the Yankees need to be concerned about Colon and Garcia's work load and if Hughes will be able to give them anything this year, and Soriano too. I'm still surprised at how much Martin has caught so far this year coming off of mulitple surgeries.
     
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  22. finyank13

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    awesome....

     
  24. finyank13

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    http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/bo...ing-to-be-something-i-have-to-stay-on-top-of/
     
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  25. finyank13

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    It must be June, because Burnett turned into welllllllllll Burnett.....
     
  26. finyank13

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    Pathetic.....
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    Looks like TJ surgery for Joba, too bad. Yankees will definitely be looking for bullpen help now.
     
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  28. finyank13

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    http://twitter.com/#!/Ledger_Yankees/status/78914907885674496

    This is what you get when you dont handle a pitcher correctly.....here you had a guy who threw 100 legitly, and a slider, they bring him in the starting rotation, then the bully, back and forth, add a changeup, and curveball to his pitches, effing BOOM blown gasket......NY is every bit to blame on this one.....

    Hate to see this happen to anybody, and adds to my theory that if the trade makes sense, do it....they held Joba, and Hughes out of many many deals....got them far...
     
  29. finyank13

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    and they are going to try to rehab it to, watch them screw this up....get it done now, so he can come back next year....I have no interest in a 50-65% pitcher this year, bring up one of the B's....

     
  30. Jt0323

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    Seriously??? **** **** **** ****

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  31. finyank13

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    Not much to say, the Yansk cant hang with the big boys, they are intimidated by them.....

    Poor baseball all around, always seems to happen this year so far against that other team.....they didnt run the bases well, didnt pitch, horrible defense, the only good thing is Jeter got 3/4 hits closer to 3000......and thats sad....

    And I am tired of hearing about trading for bullpen help.....lets see the kids, the B's, time to bring Montero up and send Cervelli down, he cant be much worse defensively, and at least he can hit...

    All they need now for the wheels to fall off the bus is the starting pitching to meltdown which is starting to happen....
     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    The problem is the B's aren't ready to pitch in the MLB right now, if you rush them up there's a chance it does much more harm than good. Plus Brackman isn't exactly having a career year in Triple A, he's been horrible.

    As for Montero, yes sadly he IS worse than Cevelli defensively, and Montero is having a weird year at Triple A where he's not hitting for any power, not walking at all (I believe he went the whole month of April without a single walk, and striking out at a rate of 1 per game (which usually doesn't translate well in the MLB). I bet the Yankees give Posada until July 1st to see if he could turn it around, if not Montero will be up by then.

    But hey not all was lost this week, I mean the Yankees finally hit Ortiz right? By the way Ortiz's post game quote about the HBP was classic. How can you not love Big Papi?
     
  33. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Injuries to the pen are taking their toll. Weaknesses in the chain are impacting the big picture. Somethings will have to change going forward, but agree with Ray, the farm and rushing a few "names" up right now may not be the necessary change.

    The loss of the two LOOGY's was going to show its head sooner or later, the mystery around Hughes, retirement of AP, and now Joba just weakens the Starting to Bullpen to Closer philosophy we had set in Spring Training and now throws a huge monkey wrench into the rest of the season.

    Slumbering bats up and down the lineup are taxing the single at-bat mentality as well....basically, Yanks bats have gone into "playoff mode" during the regular season. Not good.
     
  34. PhiNomina

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    Tribe fan here - looking forward to the upcoming series.

    I'm really hoping for a split. Four of our best five hitters are non-existant (Hafner hurt, Sizemore just coming back, Choo a mess, Santana a mess) and our pitching has come back down to earth. We also can't hit left-handed pitchers to save our lives. We're really scuffling.

    What's everyone's feelings on this series?
     
  35. finyank13

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    You dont know what you have until you put them in, play them, just do it.....I am sick of the hypothethicals, get Montero up here, and daily one on ones with Kevin Long will help, Long turns batters around....as far as the B's yeah I agree they maybe be a little young, but I would rather see that then trading some decent prospect away for a RP.....

    I didnt see what Papi said, but yeah he is cool.....

    I think the Yanks take 3/4 (they usually respond after a Sox series), Cleveland is going in the right direction, they just got to keep some of their young guys....say what you want about Choo, would love to have him, he also said that this DUI is bothering him and his play....he has really guilt about it...

    Side note, I am going tomorrow with my daughter her first game....she is 7 1/2....we will go, then scoot over to the City for the Reeses, M&M stores...and then to FAO.....she goes "Isn't Providence bigger than New York Daddy??" ahhhh youth......:lol:
     
  36. finyank13

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  37. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2011/06/10/the-injury-bug-bites-scranton-and-then-it-bites-again-and-again/

    When it rains it pours:pity:
     
  38. BigDogsHunt

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    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2011/06/09/meet-the-yankees-2011-draft-picks-rounds-1-5/

    With the 2011 First Player Draft now in the books, let’s take a look at some potential future players in pinstripes. The Yankees did not have the draft many expected, but it will be a while before we know whether they made the right gambles or not. I am going to give you some quick scouting information on the first five picks the Yankees made, with more to follow next week.

    Round 1s (51): Dante Bichette, Jr
    DOB: September 29, 1992
    Position: 3B
    B/T: R/R
    Ht: 6’01”
    Wt: 215
    School: Orangewood Christian HS (FL)
    [​IMG]As has been mentioned, Dante Bichette, Jr. not only has strong ties to Major League Baseball and with the Yankees’ skipper, who he calls “Uncle Joe.” This was one of many picks that surprised Yankee fans, but there are things to like about Bichette. First and foremost, his work ethic has been widely praised as one of his major assets. As the son of a former major leaguer, Bichette knows baseball and has been given every opportunity to hone his game. He has primarily played shortstop and third in high school, but projects to play corner outfield and possibly third in the professional ranks. This is primarily due to his lack of range, though Bichette does have a solid arm. When it comes to hitting, Bichette is a power hitter with some great potential. The biggest hurdle will be that he appears to have inherited a lot of his father’s technique, and it is acknowledged that he will require some adjustments to his swing. Luckily, the Yankees have plenty of resources to help the young Bichette. He is committed to the University of Georgia, but it is almost certain that he will sign with the Yankees, as he has stated he wants to start his professional career as soon as possible and that he couldn’t think of a better situation than to be drafted by the Bombers. You can see some video of Bichette here.


    Round 2 (88): Sam Stafford
    DOB: April 27, 1990
    Position: LHP
    B/T: L/L
    Ht: 6’04”
    Wt: 200
    School: University of Texas
    [​IMG]Drafted by the Red Sox in the 40[SUP]th[/SUP] round in 2008, Sam Stafford chose to head to Texas, where he’s seen some success and played on a team that knows how to win. Stafford is a big lefty who throws hard but can struggle with his control. He throws four-seam and two-seam fastballs, which sit low to mid nineties, and has some good sink to it. He throws a decent curve and a decent slider, but is going to have to work on his changeup if he is going to become a major league starter. Stafford did make some headlines during his college career for something other than baseball when he was arrested for trying to buy alcohol when he was underage (and on a baseball road trip). Hopefully he learned from that and has moved on. Damon Oppenheimer thinks that Stafford could move up pretty quickly. You can read more about Stafford and see some video here.


    Round 3 (118): Jordan Cote
    DOB: November 13, 1992
    Position: RHP
    B/T: R/R
    Ht: 6’05”
    Wt: 215
    School: Winnisquam Regional HS (NH)
    [​IMG]I was particularly intrigued with this pick because Cote comes out of New Hampshire, where I currently live (though I like to refer to it as me being “temporarily misplaced”). Even better, he is one of the few other Yankee fans up here in Red Sox country. Cote is a tall righty with a lot of potential. Baseball season is very short in New Hampshire, and the success he’s had in this cold weather state bodes well for him. He has dominated the competition, pitching a no-hitter against an undefeated Somersworth in the State Finals last season. Cote is a tall (I’ve seen some reports saying he is 6’6) righty who has received very little pitching instruction. He throws a four-seam fastball, a two-seam fastball, a slider, a changeup and a curve. Cote lives on his fastball (which is low-nineties when the weather isn’t absurdly cold) and his out pitch is his slider. As Keith Law said, he is a “virtual blank slate” and “his physical tools are a pitching coach’s dream.” One of the local channels did a nice story on Cote and some of his reaction at being picked by the Yankees. He is committed to Coastal Carolina University, but has said money will be a major factor in his decision, and according to ESPN Boston “his advisor and the club have come to terms on an undisclosed number that both parties are ‘very comfortable with.’”


    Round 4 (149): Matthew Duran
    DOB: January 5, 1993
    Position: 3B
    B/T: R/R
    Ht: 6’01”
    Wt: 205
    School: New Rochelle HS (NY)
    [​IMG]The Yankees went with a local kid in the fourth round, picking up New Rochelle infielder Matthew Duran. Duran is a player the Yankees are very familiar with, as he played for both Hank’s Yanks and the Yankees Area Code team. He has a powerful bat, hitting .600 this season and knocking 10 homers. Opposing teams walked him 31 times. As Yankees a Yankees fan, Duran is excited to be drafted by his hometown team, but his signability could be questionable. Duran was a straight-A student and education is important to his family, so the Yankees will likely have to pay him a bit more to get him to forget about his commitment to Fordham University. Scouting video of Duran can be found here.


    Round 5 (179): Gregory Bird
    DOB: November 9, 1992
    Position: C
    B/T: L/R
    Ht: 6’03”
    Wt: 205
    School: Grandview HS (CO)
    [​IMG]Like Cote, Gregory Bird was the Gatorade Player of the Year for his home state. He is a big catcher and, given the Yankees’ depth at the position, it seems likely they may move him sooner or later. He has played first base as well, but likes the action at catcher. It is his bat that makes Bird a special player. He has a lot of power and an easy swing that projects well. Some people thought Bird would go earlier in the draft, but he has made it known that he will ask for first round money. Bird is perfectly content to head to Arkansas where he has committed to play in college. The Yankees sound like they are willing to shell out that cash, as they really like Bird’s bat. There is video of Bird here.
     
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    Mets fans are *****ing on the FAN about how the Yankees put Jeter on the DL, so he can break the record against them.....:lol:
     
  40. Jt0323

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    Yeah that's it. It does suck though bc he was playing great baseball and was on fire...hopes he gets it home or in New York

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