Brandon Marshall Training and running a sub 4.5 and 22.5pmh

And you said Marshall will break out in his second year because Porter broke out his second year here...... Flawed reasoning.

 

I didn't buy into anything. I watched the damn guy play the game since he's been in the league.

 

Hell Bess had more TD's than Marshall if you want to talk about plays being made.
You can make excuses and spin whatever you want but Marshall is not an elite WR like he is hyped up to be.
Glorified possession guy is a better label than a #1.

 

Don't be mad at me because his play went south
Sometimes this happens when diva's get their payday.

 

Killer while I agree with you on some points as it pertains to last year, and the fact that his top 5 perception was a bit off..He does have the skillset to improve from last year, and you've got to keep in mind the consecutive injuries on the hip and how that affected his game from a speed and explosion standpoint.

Yes he had an immature attitude and fu$#ed up, but this is his last shot, and the way he's training his body and keeping his mouth shut, I'am gonna give him that last shot.. His talent is there, he just has to go into a ninja state of mind with it.

As weird as it sounds, him getting stabbed might of been the best thing for him and our team, he may of deserved it {karma is a bi$#h ya know}...Humility on top of great talent sometimes can become very powerful brother.

 

Too bad that taste was mostly backwash.

 

Why would I be mad? And his play went south one year I suppose.

 

I think most people realize that Marshall is a #1 WR. Even on a down year with a horrid OC and what everybody would agree is at least not good QB play. Marshall was tied for 6th in receptions and 16th in yards. That's after two previous years where he was top 5 in receptions and 14th and 7th in yards. The only real decrease in his game was TDs and any unbiased evaluation would consider the impact of the OC, QB and wildcat on that number. Only the most simplistic analysis will look at just one category in any position like TDs for WRs or INTs for LBs or sacks for DEs and base the bulk of their opinion on that. And no unbiased analysis would consider only one year and pretend that what he produced in the very recent past is irrelevant. Most people are a little less simplistic in their analysis.

 

All that is true but, he should be working out with Henne for the new O, and to work on timing. There is NO REASON for him not to be there.

 

I think there's good and bad. He misses out on the timing and rapport with Henne and also on learning the portion of the O that Henne was able to get from Daboll before the contact was restricted. But I expect that his physical gains (speed and strength) are going to be considerably greater working out where he is.

 

Raf, we finally disagree. How can you possibly say that Marshall's speed and strength are going to be better working out where he is? He can easily have the same trainers and facilities here in Fla as anywhere else in the world.

Miami is not a third world country, and can easily fit his needs. Then, he would also be able to work with Henne.

 

Heh, because the DA's office can subpeona him in the stabbing, so he goes in and out of FL unannounced so he is unavailable to the prosecution, sooner or later they will have to drop the case and then he can come back to FL publicly...

As for his 2010 season, saw some good things, saw some bad things, on balance he clearly the best Wr we have had in 5 yrs, probably the last 10, Chambers had that awesome 2005 but otherwise Miami Wr's have not been extremely productive for a long time.

 

For me, lack of speed was not his problem in 2010, it was bracket coverage and Hartline starting the season slowly.

 

I never thought his speed was a problem. The #19 jinx is in full swing - he can't hang onto the damn ball - Ted Ginn part 2?

 

Is there a way of quantifying this 22.5 mph in terms of the 40?..like whats top speed usually for good 40 time's.

Where's my boy good will hunting at??

 

yeah, I figured his getoff would have everything to do with that, but whatta you think is an elite range of speed, top end? I would think 22.5 is up there ya know?..

Elite sprinters are around 24 MPH..

 

I recall ESPN doing something during a Monday night game, they said that Reggie Bush got up to 22mph during a punt return for TD.

But again, I would take any numbers we're hearing about Marshall with a grain of salt.

 

But Bush runs a confirmed 4.33. Marshall's trainer said he's under 4.5 consistently, which suggests what really should be obvious -- running that speed on that machine doesn't mean you're going to run that fast in a game.

I'd love to see Gates on that thing. He'd probably top 25 mph.

 

Absolutely right on both accounts. The problem I see is that this training organization has motivation to exaggerate these numbers.

 

Marshall only tied the 2nd best reception total in Miami history. 12th best receiving yards despite missing 2 games (2nd best receiving yards total by a Miami WR with a QB not named Dan Marino throwing the ball). But he's not a #1 WR? I swear Killer you just type things sometimes just to get a rise out of people.

 

Problem is Deej, we both know track speed and field speed are different animals altogether, it has to do with ability to catch the ball going downhill at full speed, to many timed fast guys cannot gather themselves and get up to field speed because of footwork and technique issues.

Guy catches the ball and sort of shuffle his feet then runs, Beast's footwork is more efficient then the typical track fast player.

 

One thing you surely need work on is your evaluation of Wr's! Not a #1 Wr!! A possession Wr, and not even good at that!

 

And once again we beat the dead horse! You know the one where Chad Henne gets all the passes in the world like the main one being his offensive coordinator sucked.

I guess Marshall had a totally different OC calling his end of the plays????

 

And this shows us all that we need not listen to a thing you try and tell us!! It is a totally biased opinion that you carry about someone who's been one of the top 3 Wr's in the league before coming here. And once again Chad Henne gets the pass because his OC held him back and called the most crappy plays the NFL had ever seen yet Marshall sees a drop in production of TD's and it's all his fault. lmao

 

He wouldn't have the same trainers b/c he would be working out with his team mates instead. You're assuming that he would have the same trainers which are supposed to be taking him to his limits and then have him also working out with team mates. I'm saying it's an either/or situation.

 

Look it up..... I bet you can't find a single #1 WR in this league that had 3 or less TD's.
Hell I see plenty of mediocre WR's that had more.

 

That is a straight up lie. I never said that at all.

 

You have absolutely no clue at all what the hell you are talking about. Go put words in someone elses mouth. It's funny that I criticize Marshall and all you do is bad mpouth and spew lies about my opinions. I thought we were discussing football here but you and some of your fellow Marshall supporters fixate only on me. Don't you have anything better to do... Honestly.

 

Steve Smith
year team G GS Rec yards avg. long TDs
2010 Carolina Panthers 14 14 46 554 12.0 39 2

Looking at just one stat in just one year and ignoring his other stats and other years is a ridiculous and simplistic way to decide that a WR who has been so productive is not a #1.

 

Maybe you forgot to include his YAC which was 2.8 yards. That is downright pitiful for a #1 playmaker like Marshall. Even if double teamed. He is supposed to be some big tackle breaking machine.... please. Give me a break.

 

That's pretty much catching it and falling forward every play. Yeah I was disappointed in him too. Still like him though and don't want Miami to get rid of him.

If I ever feel down on Marshall I just remember "Rollerskate feet" Marty Booker. There I feel better already.

 

Almost as pitiful as Larry Fitzgerald's 2.4 YAC!

 

Criticizing a player for YAC without considering the offense he was in is paramount to either not understanding football or pretending not to understand in order to just criticize a player you don't like.