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Henning reflects..''no comment on Marshall''

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  2. ckparrothead

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    Not surprising he gave the "no comment" answer on Brandon Marshall. Marshall himself has already given the "no comment" answer on Dan Henning several times. It's obvious they didn't get along.
     
  3. Tone_E

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    Who on offense would honestly want vouch for a guy calling wildcat and play actions with two WR routes and 17 TEs to block on third and long anyway?

    See ya Henning, the game passed you by.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The ''boy'', needs to play hard, keep his head down, and his mouth shut.I dont care what the circumstances are..If he can't do that, after this offseason, after what he's been through, and the contract he signed, then he can piss off..I'll draft Blackmon, Floyd, or Broyles and be done with it.
     
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  5. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I wash my hands of Henning, I could give an absolute s*it what that guy thinks or says.....One of the worst coaches Miami has ever had...
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How he conducts himself as a member of our team matters..Production that you speak of means sure he can talk, but if your not puttin up those numbers, and your spoutin off and actin like a ''boy'' then you ain't worth it..

    Its just a challenge my friend..I want him to be on the field, but if you allow him to continue this type of behavior and keep him,your only hurting yourself in the long run..Coaching staff would be indicted for me.

    All he's got to do is act like a man, be grateful for the contract, and play football.
     
  7. CaribPhin

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    I have a comment for this somewhere but it would be too obvious to use.
     
  8. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Two passages stick out.

    This is very interesting to me. In addition to Henning's retirement and succession by Daboll, we had three new hires and one position change on the offensive side of the ball. Naturally, everyone is evaluated each year. But this indicates that Sparano wasn't necessarily confident in his offensive lieutenants as of January 2010.

    This is a very loaded quote.

    We've discussed stubbornness ad nauseam. But this illustrates a certain level of philosophical disagreement between Henning and Sparano.

    With Parcells and Henning gone, Tony is truly his own man now. Daboll is his pick as offensive coordinator. And much has been made about opening things up and being explosive. So we will see. Ireland seems to be on the same page, arming them with three intriguing skill players and a center in the draft.

     
  9. padre31

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    Henning wanted Drones, Marshall wanted the spotlight, we all should have seen this one coming.

    Sparano made a misjudgment concerning Henning, this is one of the examples of Irish/Sparano being very poor at predicting what could go wrong but typically being excellent at fixing what went wrong.

    To me, the other 3 Coaches who should have been on the hot seat are Secondary Coach Todd Bowles and OL Coach Dave Gugliemo and ST Coordinator Rizzi, to me all 3 seriously underperformed in 2010, so much so they probably should have been fired, can understand why they were not fired, Contuity and Sparano correctly did not want to toss guys overboard after Ross's Big Adventure but:

    -29th ranked ST unit, we gave up as many TD's with Rizzi as ST Coach as we did with Bonamego
    -20-30 (!) dropped interceptions easily the worst in the NFL
    -Berger was not good, Jerry was not good, McQuistan was not good, Murtha was passable, we had no one step up in 2010 when we needed them to.
     
  10. Desides

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    When did Marshall "spout off"? Furthermore, when did he say something that the rest of the team wasn't already thinking?

    Jorge Sedano had John Clayton on his show the other day. In the process of asking a question, he mentioned that off the record, Dolphins players were telling the media en masse that a significant portion of the locker room did not like or respect Chad Henne and had no faith in him. "Significant portion" seems to be a euphemism for "the other 10 guys on offense", because the frustration carried over onto the field, and people were yelling at Henne left and right. I particularly remember Fasano *****ing Henne out after a busted play leading to a punt.

    So why is Marshall given crap for saying or doing things that no one can quite identify when and where they occurred, but Fasano and the other offensive players given passes for sharing Marshall's sentiments?
     
  11. Ozzy

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    Who is this Henning character?
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    because when you wanna be known as a star, and you make the money according to such, then you conduct yourself on a different level of those who aren't as good or make as much money..Part of being paid the best must incur responsibilities in the intangible dept..Leadership should be part of any 50 million dollar contract. If you don't have that in your repertoire, than you shouldn't be gettin paid 50 million.

    I watched the guy lolligag thru a professional football game with 0 focus and a bad attitude that directly resulted into drops on the football field which effects outcomes of games.
     
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would define a football jackass as throwing a football as hard as you can off the field after a play, making drops because of lack of focus, creating drama in your relationships with the two most important positions{QB, Coordinator}, and getting stabbed by your girl, which affects your offseason commitment, as a pretty good case.

    You don't have to like someone to play hard and focused, its an immature mind that needs to get checked.
     
  14. GARDENHEAD

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    Why do you repeatedly refer to Marsall as "boy"? Are you completely ignorant as to the connotations of a white guy calling a black guy "boy"?
     
  15. hazed819

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    Marshall was pissed and rightfully so, he was brought here to headline this offensive passing attack and he turned into a decoy. In Denver people knew where the ball was going but no one could stop him, the guy has a huge frame, vert and amazing hands. It seems like they used him most of the time to open up the middle for Bess and Butterfingers aka Fasano. Lets not even speak of the red zone, the guy is the tallest biggest receiver we have and it was seldom that we threw it up there for him to grab and he has done his entire career. Then there is the financial side of things, I wouldn't be surprised if he has incentives tied to his performance such as receptions, yards and touchdowns. Well if hes not getting opportunities to earn his money hes going to get pissed as would i.
     
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  16. hazed819

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    I assume you were a fan of Drafting Ginn and the Ginn family.

    The man plays with emotions and he's not soft spoken. He calls it like he see's it and that is all there is to it.
     
  17. alen1

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    That doesn't really make sense to me mate. How is he a jackass for getting stabbed by his wife? Dropping the ball i ssignificant, yes, but it happens quite a bit with the top NFL WRs. Considering how much he was targeted, its not as big of a deal to me. And no, I'm not making excuses for him.
     
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  18. padre31

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    Drops, Aligator Arms leading to Int's, Dummy Penalties done solely for his own benefit.

    You really get the good and the bad with Marshall.
     
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  19. ckparrothead

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    That's an interesting point. If Brandon Marshall were spotted going after Henne the way Fasano did on that play...it would have made headlines and it would have been example numero uno held up by various people as proof that Brandon Marshall is a cancer and needs to go.

    Especially since, as I recall, what Fasano was yelling at Henne for on that play did not really appear to be Henne's fault.

    But it's interesting that Jorge Sedano said that Dolphins players were privately off the record telling media members en masse that they had no confidence in Chad Henne. That's been something hotly debated in the past, the extent to which many players in the locker room sort of gave up on Chad Henne.
     
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  20. SCall13

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    Probably because Marshall has a history of being a malcontent. And there was clearly plenty more going on "behind the scenes" that we didn't see or hear. Fasano, on the other hand is not typically a guy who shows emotion and frustration. He got frustrated for one play in one game. Other than that particular play, I didn't see Fasano get heated with anyone. Marshall, as we all knew before he was signed, was coming with baggage. And a big part of his baggage was being a little ***** the majority of the time. We're talking about a second year QB in a pathetic offensive system, playing with a garbage offensive line and sub-par RB play. Marshall doesn't see the big picture because he's all about himself. So he rattles off about anyone and everyone else because it can't be his fault. Look at the bone-headed crap he did in some of the games. He had several unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that cost us good field position and put our offense in a hole. He also let up in games pretty consistently because he doesn't wear big boy pants and plays like a punk when he feels like it. Fasano never acted like that. Nor did any other players. As anemic as our offense was as a WHOLE, everyone else went out and at least played hard and didn't act like a freakin' punk just for the sake of doing so.
     
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  21. SCall13

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    A decoy with 80 + catches? Really? There are a lot of receivers in the league that would LOVE to be that kind of decoy.
     
  22. Frayser

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    I wish we had something different to talk about. Everyday it seems to be the same thing.

    Sorry, thinking aloud.
     
  24. Frayser

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    Think that's also a symptom of a young team. Charlie Sheen and I both know a cure for that though. #winning
     
  25. Desides

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    I don't know what games you were watching. I only saw this in week 17, when the entire team gave up on Henne, Sparano, Henning, and basically the entire concept of Dolphins football.

    No, he doesn't. He has a history of not getting along with Josh McDaniels. Apparently so does the rest of the NFL, because McDaniels is now on his third job in four years.
     
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  26. SCall13

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    Just because you don't get along doesn't mean you have to go out of the way to be a team distraction. Keep personal feelings just that, shut your mouth, and make your millions.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    It's undeniable that with Brandon Marshall you get the good with the bad.

    But as I recall, he only drew one stupid penalty this year, flipping the ball to Jay Cutler during the Bears game. He got it after making a 14 yard catch that got the Dolphins a 1st down at the Bears' 10 yard line. They enforced the 15 yards for it between downs, so it still resulted in a 1st & 10. He really didn't think he was going to get a penalty for what he did, and after the game he apologized for it and said it was completely his fault. He owned up to it.

    He got an offensive pass interference (10 yards) against the Patriots, which I think you're going to live with in a player as physical as him. He got an illegal formation against the Titans, which was declined. He got an offensive holding penalty on 3rd & 15 which was declined. He got an illegal block penalty (10 yards) against the Bears when Tyler Thigpen took off scrambling. Again, that's something that tends to happen when a QB starts scrambling around.

    For a guy that had the ball sent his direction 135 times this year, we're only talking about 35 yards in penalties. Only one of them was really a "dumb" or unnecessary penalty.

    I think that whole aspect of his primadonna-ness is extremely overblown. One dumb penalty flipping the football to one of his best friends trying to trash talk him, something he owned up to and apologized for, does not call for the guy to be called "boy" (which I agree with GARDENHEAD has all kinds of racial tones in it).

    I wonder if DJ would call Brandon Marshall "boy" to his face.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    He wasn't making millions yet. That was the problem. The Broncos let him become one of a very few men in the history of the NFL to catch 100+ balls in a season three times in a row, and still wouldn't give him a contract.
     
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    We are starving this offseason Alen..the wolf is not being fed.
     
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    And we wound up being shut out in that game, how important was that penalty?

    Recall also, he pulled the same thing in the titans game the week before, nearly the same situation but was flagged 5 yd for it (iirc about the flag).

    So the next week he does the same thing? Was he not happy about not getting a 15 yd flag the week before?



    Thinking of the alligator arms vs the Ravens, and making the proper site read vs the Pats, but then not finishing the play as called as he also should have known Henne was going to throw the ball to that spot no matter that they play had been read.

    He and Thigpen free lancing in the final Pats game was not prima donna behavior? Oh I agreed with them doing exactly what they did, the underlying reason though was less then good.
     
  31. Desides

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    What millions? Marshall didn't get a contract until he was traded.

    The more people complain about Brandon Marshall's conduct, the more it's revealed that they don't actually know the details of what's transpired. I suspect most are simply applying their stereotypes of what a talented receiver must act like, without bothering to verify if anything they allege actually occurred.

    Frankly, the worst thing Marshall's done in his career, IMO, is lie about breaking his arm two offseasons ago. He claimed he slipped on a McDonald's bag and crashed his arm through his TV set. Turns out he was play-wrestling either a family member or a friend. That sort of screwing around is harmful to athletes: just ask Chad Pennington, who tore his ACL a couple months ago during a pickup basketball game.
     
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  32. GARDENHEAD

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    Excellent post, from top to bottom. Well written!
     
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    You're not only agreeing with but praising me? You realize we just caused the apocalypse, right? :lol:
     
  34. djphinfan

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    I would of used the same word if he was white, has nothing to do with what I'am refferring to, I think I'am clear I'am talking about a boy to man scenario, you and the ones who ''thank you'' are going there, sorry I don't think that way, cause I don't have a racial bone in my body...Referring to someone as a boy doesn't automatically mean your using it in that context, or that the word should be synonymus to the idea that you are suggesting.
     
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    Yeah, you're finally coming round! It was a good post cause you succinctly hit the nail on the head. Brandon Marshall is NOT a diva malcontent. He's got his problems, for sure, but he's no TO.
     
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    Even if you didn't mean it "that way", surely you are aware of how your words are interpreted, right? And you really want to claim that Brandon Marshall is not a man? You think Brandon Marshall doesn't work hard? You think Brandon Marshall was just blessed with athleticism? Do you have any idea how hard a professional athlete trains? Are you there when he runs sprints, lifts weights, and practices catching balls?

    If you did, you'd appreciate his hard work and wouldn't call him a boy. But, of course, Brandon Marshall is just a boy who was born big and fast. Right.
     
  37. jdang307

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    I would. And make sure some iphone4's are rolling.

    Someone broke like Mike Tyson no.

    What is with this say it to his/my face stuff. He's not a killer.

    Sebastian Telfair, that's a different story. He got Fabolous shot up ;)
     
  38. jdang307

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    He has not grown up, yet. Sean Taylor grew up. Brandon, not yet. Notice he says the right things but keeps making the exact same mistakes? These NFL players have worked hard since High school. Were they men then? No they were boys.
     
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  39. djphinfan

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    you damn strait I would, pending on how the conversation started I would let him know to ''Play and act like a man, damn it, and not to waste ALL that lucky talent he was born with.... You don't understand my perspective on this matter, I'am trying to motivate him thru words..

    I want the guy to succeed in the best way, but he needs to grow up, if you don't get that, than me and you have a different definition of how a professional athlete/man should conduct himself.

    He got up after a catch, picked the ball up in a very aggressive manner, and launched it, really got some juice behind it, to the sideline, in the middle of a game, for a 15 yarder..Players who act like punks on the field need to be reminded..Thats what I'am doing here, making sure in case he's readin, that he should check himself.
     
  40. Conuficus

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    Saying 'boy' to a black man especially down south may not be the best way to go.............just from my own experience. Those guys tend not to respond too well to being called 'boy'.
     

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