D-Will is going to get paid, and IDK if Miami is paying him with his injury history in all...he is the hot back in free agency, and I think alot of teams are going to go after him.... I would love Bradshaw, if he makes it to FA...Bush eh........eh...I think being on grass helps his game but IDK how I feel about him....and thats probrably a bad thing
I'd argue Daniel Thomas is a better fit with Ahmad Bradshaw. Or DeAngelo Williams. But that's just me.
I don't have an issue with the skillset that Reggie Bush brings but what is it with this organization constantly targeting injury prone players?
If they bring in Bush, I think they should bring in another back. IMO they should get a running back that is a guy who can either hit the homerun or punish people. If you get Ahmad Bradshaw, you get a guy who can run frontside and cutback which is not easy to find.
yeah Alen this is ultimately the guy I want too...I just dont see the G-Men letting him walk.....may be a very stupid move on their behalf with Jacobs declining you know? We have to keep our fingers crossed...
If Reggie Bush is this teams #2 running back on opening day we are in trouble. You dont bank on rookie running backs to be 1200 yards rushers and Bush is not a good running back. He is a very good receiver and a pretty good KR/PR. In previous threads I have argued Bush's best position would probably be as Flanker where you could get him in space frequently and let him make plays. He cant run inside and so if something happens to Thomas or if Thomas takes time to adapt like some more notable backs such as Chris Johnson and more recently Ryan Mathews, well that kind of leaves us in a bind that no one short of Manning Rodgers Brees or Brady is going to be real successful at dealing with. Better get DeAngelo, Bradshaw, Michael Bush..someone who can carry it 20X a game just in case.
Agreed. Paul13 and I were just discussing that in club. I think you certainly have to have another back mixed in there if you get Reggie Bush - I'd hope that doesn't mean Ronnie or Ricky coming back though. I'd prefer Bradshaw to any other back out there, but Reggie Bush could be an intriguing weapon in slot, out of the backfield, and certainly returning kicks.
Well said. The question is, how much do they want to pay for that position? Color me crazy but despite taking Daniel Thomas pretty high, I'm still not convinced they prioritize the position highly.
I agree with that, and I'd even go as far to say I feel sort of the same way about how they've handled the QB position. Obviously, I'd expect a move or two with both positions in free agency, but it is puzzling (though I feel like I should be typing alarming).
How many slots can an offense have? Brandon Marshall is a great slot receiver. Always had been used in the slot in Denver and you want to be able to move him around to create matchups. Davone Bess is of course the king of the slots. Brian Hartline has the versatility to run from the slot, hence their constant boasts of him knowing all three positions. Evidently Brian Daboll brings the promise of flexing Anthony Fasano out to the slot. And when Fasano isn't there, Charles Clay will be. And hey now, we've got Reggie Bush who is actually a slot receiver trying to take tailback snaps (with all the effectiveness you can imagine that calls for when he does carry the ball). Schematically can we manage to have 6 slots on the field at the same time? We'll call it Clams Casino. This is NOT good news.
Bush is a mediocre runner, and that's sort of problematic at running back. I don't see where there is grounds to improve that, either. The Saints have pretty much exhausted any avenue they could on using him in different ways, and it's not as if their line with two of the elite guards in the NFL is doing him any disservice. I'd much rather they stick with someone who had some upside.
Man, you know your football. Not once, did i take into consideration pretty much 85% of what you just said. wow.
Bush isnt a slot guy stoopid, he cant even run inside when playing tailback so hes supposed to catch inside at WR? lol
<<---- May throw up. Like others have said, we'd still need another RB to pick up the bulk of the carries if DT were to get hurt. I'd only be a fan of signing Bush if we were only going to use him for returns and a very limited role in the offense. The words, "set the market" scare the bejesus out of me.
I'd rather resign Ronnie than go after Bush. Reggie Bush can make some plays but really he isn't worth a big contract. This isn't even to mention he's a low character pickup as well.
Would be more after resigning Brown he will be healthy. Sign him to one year and let him show if he wants a bigger paycheck in the future
Bush is low-character? How so? When did he get arrested? When did he clash with teammates? Yes, he likes the spotlight, but that just means he should fit in well with our idiot owner. I live in New Orleans and the Saints are my (very distant) second favorite team. I've watched more of Reggie Bush than anyone on this board (take that for what its worth) and I love the guy. Fans here are split down the middle on Reggie. He's a damn good runningback who defenses must gameplan for. CKParrot might be right about how we got too many slot guys, but I'm telling you all, Reggie Bush is a damn good runningback. Was he worth the #2 overall pick? No. But he's a game-changer whose mere presence on the field will open up your offense.
I hate how if someone is famous, or in the spotlight, or overrated (due to media, and not because of anything THEY themselves did) and people hate on the guy.....I wouldnt mind reggie bush, is he my top choice? No. But would I mind him in our offense and returning kicks? Hell no.
I readily agree that Reggie Bush is overrated, but he's a really good player. My #1 choice is Ahmad Bradshaw. To call Reggie Bush "average" is nuts!
Imagine Daniel Thomas taking the snap in Ronnies role for the wildcat with Reggie Bush coming in motion in Rickys role?! I like the sounds of that......... Or shotgun,Marshall crossing the middle with Bess, Reggie running a wheel route, Fasano up the seem, Edmund gates down the sideline.....mmmmmmm Then Henne over throws Gates
That's the problem. The Dolphins ARE imagining that. They continue to make personnel decisions based on the Wildcat. The idea of the Wildcat is that if Miami gets good enough at it then opponents have to spend way more time and energy figuring out how to deal with it than we have to in order to run it. But then they bend their resources personnel decisions to it. That defeats the purpose. You need to be able to run NORMAL offense in the NFL, not just Wildcat. As soon as Mike Pouncey was drafted, did they give him a playbook? No. Did they give him sheets on Wildcat stuff? Yes. Daniel Thomas was drafted, in fact they got so nervous about him they traded up to get him, because he can replace Ronnie Brown's role in the Wildcat. And now Reggie Bush, a pure East-West runner that is a glorified slot receiver rather than a tailback, is here because you can't watch 5 runs of his without thinking he's purely an East-West runner and would probably be good in the jet sweep role in the Wildcat. So great. Wonderful. Set up the entire offense for the Wildcat. And in the mean time on the other 90% of plays, we suck.
The other issue is, we don't have Drew Brees. Reggie Bush was allowed to succeed because New Orleans has had a damn good quarterback that is able to run a wide open offense to where a space guy like Reggie can succeed. Does anyone here imagine Chad "I prefer play-action and vertical offense and have no history of throwing checkdowns to running backs" Henne utilizing Reggie Bush to his fullest? Don't answer that. I'm not in the mood for pointless argument.
I still think that this only means that we end up the bridesmaid again...He'll come here, we make a reasonable offer and he takes it back to NO and signs with them...Been happening for years around here... Bush complements some of the needs we have, some things we've missed around here like a PR or KR, a true 3rd down back that is a threat both via pass and run on those downs, a RB that is just as good as another WR on the field... His negatives also are things that have plagued this franchise...picking up good players that are either injured often or have a history of such, a guy who would come here and not be happy as he thinks he's a #1 back, etc... I'd still rather see us spend the money on Brown or Williams and move on from there...I'm not crazy about any of the names that are FA....Brown, Williams, Cobbs, DeAngelo Williams, Bradshaw, etc...since Don Shula was around, we've had issues with our RBs, either injury, head-cases, one year wonders, bad draft choices, whatever... I think I'd take a solid RB that can last 7-8 yrs here than a retread QB at this point and that's considering our official QB depth chart...
I may not like Nick Saban as a human but I've always respectedh im as a coach. I think he was a little too insecure for the NFL but that's a different story. As Alen has pointed out, a lot of Belichick's greatest ideas come from his yearly off season retreats and conversations with Nick. When Saban was here he once talked about personnel and said that you've got to stock the fridge with ketchup AND the mustard, AND mayo, all the different things that you'll need, not just one thing. The Dolphins seem to like ketchup. A lot of ketchup, so they can make ketchup sandwiches with congealed surface-ketchup patties for bread. Reggie Bush is not really a tailback that's worth anything unless he's running East-West in the jet sweep. He is a glorified slot receiver. We have a lot of slot receivers. As I said: 1. I know for a fact that when Brandon Marshall was catching his 100+ balls in Denver, he was used from the slot on about 1 out of 3 pass plays. I compiled that participation information myself, back when PFF offered it for free. He's a guy that needs to be moved around for matchups, can play all three positions. 2. Brian Hartline is similar. I think we all know that as a 4.50 guy he's not exactly the most effective in the world running go routes at flanker all day. But, he's unusually smart for a receiver, can play all three positions, is quick, and if you can get him favorable matchups he can be very effective. 3. Davone Bess is your more classic slot receiver that needs East-West freedom to be effective. Let's face it, North-South is not the more dangerous aspect of a receiver with 4.7 speed's game. 4. Brian Daboll brings with him a system where he regularly flexed Tight Ends and Fullbacks out to the slot. I don't see him doing this with Fasano as much as he did with Ben Watson or Dustin Keller, but this is what Charles Clay is here for, as he's not a classic Fullback nor is he a classic Tight End. 5. Who here remembers 2001, Chris Chambers' first year in Miami? Chambers came to us a 4.3 speedster that could leap a mile and catch the ball well, but was extremely raw out of Wisconsin because they ran a heavily ground-oriented offense. Sound familiar? That's Edmond Gates. How did Chan Gailey extract that 48 catch, 883 yard and 7 TD performance out of his raw but physically gifted rookie receiver? Putting him in the slot, limiting his exposure to jams and having him run vertically, challenging safeties with his speed and leaping ability. It only figures that if you're trying to figure out how to best utilize the raw but physically talented Edmond Gates, you might want to take a page from history and use him this way. So you've already got demand for players to be used from the slot, and onto this you add a player whose only value is to be flexed to the slot, who isn't really a bonafied tailback. I don't get it. But I don't suppose I get this regime's thinking period, nowadays...so what's there to be surprised about?
